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Can we talk about the semi-colon? It has had a falling out with the public. It used to be popular - before, say, the mid-20th century - but presently there seems to be a stigma attached to the mark, which connotes snobbery or pretentiousness. Why do you think that is, and how do you personally feel about semi-colons?

I think the reason has to do with the nature of the mark itself, as well as individual laziness and idiocy, combined with poor public education and anti-intellectual sentiment in the U.S. in general. Compared to other marks of punctuation, the semi-colon...
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How does one use semicolons, then? Is it just a comma, but with the pause being longer?
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>>8807783
I mostly use it for lists.
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>>8807783
it connects two independant clauses that are related to each other. The question of when to use a semi colon isn't about when not to use a comma; the question of when to use a semi colon is about when not to use a period.

Swilc biþ þone sang, of Sæwine þone sælidan
Hwā manslōg þone mann, mimoreþ ne mycel nū
Ēa! Hwæt wīcing, his wlence swā wēoll.
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Is this like an old englisc version of "yo ho a pirate's life for me"?
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>>8807831
No, it's a poem praising a dead sailor.
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Cadmons Hymn

The Seafarer

Piers Plowman

There is a lot of great poems

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Rate this idea for a novel:

Extremelly beta guy in reinaissance europe, has not a single chance of gettting a gf, yet one night, he meets something like Cassanova, a mysterious figure dressed like El Zorro.

He's the town number one enemy, he's despised by all the males in the town, since he flirts, send love letter to their wifes and daughters, and he always fuck them in the night.

Of course, this Zorro guy is the only Chad in the entire town, which is filled with betta guys, which have dull marriages and are dull betas with forced marriages.

He's...
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>>8807721
I think you got lost on your way to /r9k/
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Horrendous
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>>8807731
>huh duh everything I don't like is r9k

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>there are people who've read thousands of books
>I read 2 hours a day and average on 40 novels a year

Why do I even try, I'll be 60 by the time I'm done with the crux of western canon
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Shut your whore mouth
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It takes time, my man. That's how they got there.
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Do you really need to collect everything in your brain? Why spend all that time turning your mind into a completionist checklist?

Read what you believe will be enjoyable, interesting or of use. Don't judge yourself by the standard of others.

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I got robbed last night. Only thing stolen was my copy of Women and Men.
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I will help you track it down op
Tell me the details
/lit/ will crack the case
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>>8807659
super sleuths
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>>8807655
Sry, it was me. Stole it while banging your wife.

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So we can all agree this was the best book of 2015, but what will be the best book of 2016?
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>>8807582
I have this lying unstarted on my bedside table.
What do I think of it /lit/?
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desu
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>>8807595
I thought it was great. have you read the first 2 books?

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>book about how depression is just massive narcissism and a pitfall of self wallow
>People still somehow use it to justify being assholes because they are "depressed"

For what reason?
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Are you depressed or a psychiatry/psychology major?
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That's not what the book is about. Please read Plato and then re-read Notes.
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>>8807576
Because they don't realize yet that they are nothing and nothing is everything and it's beautiful and they take their suffering caused by themselves out on everyone else around them.

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By chance, does someone possess a digital copy of Charles Martin's translation for Metamorphoses, or a trustable site to download it? I did not find any trustable places to download it. I would buy it, but
momentarily spending money would fuck me in the arse. Preference for epub and mobi, but pdf (and any format really) is welcomed.

I didn't find an official /r/ thread so I will post this here.
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>translations
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>>8807538

If you find this bad, the only thing we got in my country is a translation of the english translation.

In a fucking romantic language speaking country.
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Nothing?

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Books about edge lords with autism.

Pic absolutely related
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/lit/ recommended this to me and I enjoyed it quite a lot.

Followed it up with Stoner. Wew lad.
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>>8807493
Also Golden Pavillion, Patriotism, Confessions of a Mask, Sun and Steel, and SWFfGwtS
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>>8807493
Also every book by Pahluniuk

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>read a grammar book
>writing gets worse
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>>8807456
Fuck the rules
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>>8807456
which one did you read?
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>>8807456
was it a book dealing with the grammar of your native language?
y-you know you're only supposed to study foreign languages, right anon?

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What are some good books on European mythology/culture that are entertaining and aren't written through an anti-European lens? There are a lot I could grab on Amazon but I don't want books written by people who think Paganism is about smoking dope and being skanks, or think that European religions should be looked down on because muh Christianity.
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>>8807378
You sound like an angry person
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>>8807378
the kalevala

but you do sound like a dick
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>>8807378
WE

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When I was a kid I used to think Reading was gay. I thought it was something only nerds (LOTR) and girls (harry potter) did, but then I was tricked into reading. I was tricked when I got sucked into morrowind. By the time I finished my 200 hour play through I realized I've been reading the whole time. Reading my quests, reading dialogue, even reading books within the game. So I grabbed a copy of the catcher and the rye to see if this reading shit wasn't gay after all. it wasn't. so how did it start for you?
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God, who gives a shit. Can't you make a thread discussing actual literature?
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It would be most laborious for you to--in Layman's terms-- get to "understand" the inner sanctums of "my" "mind", anon. (Heavy emphasis on the quotation marks, you wouldn't be able to understand me - as you may put it). Indeed, reading came natural to me. My parents told me that, as a small and healthy toddler, I was able to flick through swathes of text. This is, of course, because I am an Indigo Child. You may google that, if you don't already know what it is. Don't...
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>>8807344
sure. do you think giving the catcher and the rye to my edgy, teenage cousin who's "totally going through a phase right now where the world just doesn't get her" will show her she isn't a special snowflake after all and that most people feel that way as a teenager?

Critique thread
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Paul cried the first day of preschool for around ten minutes after his mother, who was
secretly watching and also crying, seemed to have left. It was their first time apart.
Paul's mother watched as the principal cajoled Paul into interacting with his
classmates, among whom he was well liked and popular, if a bit shy and
"disengaged, sometimes," said one of the high school students who worked at the
preschool, which was called the Discovery Center. Each day, after that, Paul cried
less and transitioned more abruptly from crying to interacting with classmates, and
by the middle of the second week he didn't cry anymore. At home, where mostly only
Mandarin was spoken, Paul was loud and either slug-like or, his mother would say in
English, "hyperactive," rarely walking to maneuver through the house, only crawling,
rolling like a log, sprinting, hopping, or climbing across sofas, counters, tables,
chairs, etc. in a game called "don't touch the ground." Whenever motionless and not
asleep or sleepy, lying on carpet in sunlight, or in bed with eyes open, bristling with
undirectionalized momentum, he would want to intensely sprint in all directions
simultaneously, with one unit of striving, never stopping. He would blurrily anticipate
this unimaginably worldward action, then burst off his bed to standing position, or
make a loud noise and violently spasm, or jolt from the carpet into a sprint, flailing his
arms, feeling always incompletely satisfied.
Paul's first grade teacher recommended he be placed in the
English-as-second-language program, widely viewed as for "impaired" students, but
Paul's mother kept him in the normal class. His second grade teacher recommended
he be tested for the "gifted" program and he was admitted and began going every
Friday to gifted, in which most of the twenty-five to thirty students, having begun in
first grade, were already friends. Paul felt alone on Fridays, but not lonely or
uncomfortable or anxious, only that he was in a new and challenging situation
without assistance or consequence for failure—a feeling not unlike playing a difficult
Nintendo game alone, with no instruction manual.
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Paul played chess one Friday with
Barry, who suggested Paul's second move. Barry knew more about chess, so was
being helpful, Paul thought, and did as suggested for his third move also, then
watched an extremely happy Barry dash through the rectangular classroom telling
groups of classmates he'd beaten Paul in a four-move check-mate. Paul told three
classmates Barry had "tricked him," then returned to the floor and put the chess
pieces away and, with a sensation of seeing a spider crawl out of view inside his
room, felt himself reassimilating...
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Believing that all the senior's friends and acquaintances, which included almost
every person at band camp, now viewed his main effort in life as wanting to be
"cool," which he did want, to some degree, but which now seemed impossible, Paul
became increasingly, physically, exclusively critically, nearly continuously
self-conscious, the next few days, in ways he hadn't been before—but probably had
been in latent development since preschool—and which affected his musicianship.
His middle school friends, including Hunter, among whom he'd...
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He ate lunch alone, on benches far from the cafeteria, listening to music—his sort of
refuge that was like a tunneling in his desolation toward a greater desolation, further
from others and himself, closer to the shared source of everything—with portable CD
players and earphones, feeling sorry for himself, or vaguely but deeply humbled,
though mostly just silent and doomed. Sometimes, thinking of how among fifteen
hundred classmates only two others, that he'd noticed, were as socially inept as
he—a male in his grade, an obese male one grade lower—Paul would feel a blandly
otherworldly excitement, like he must be in some bizarre and extended dream, or
lost in the offscreen world of some fictional movie set in an adjacent county.
In Paul's sophomore or junior year he began to believe the only solution to his
anxiety, low self-esteem, view of himself as unattractive, etc. would be for his mother
to begin disciplining him on her own volition, without his prompting, as an
unpredictable—and, maybe, to counter the previous fourteen or fifteen years of
"overprotectiveness," unfair—entity, convincingly not unconditionally supportive. His
mother would need to create rules and punishments exceeding Paul's expectations,
to a degree that Paul would no longer feel in control. To do this, Paul believed, his
mother would need to anticipate and preempt anything he might have considered,
factoring in that—because Paul was thinking about this almost every day, and
between the two of them was the source of this belief—he probably already
expected, or had imagined, any rule or punishment she would be willing to instate or
inflict, therefore she would need to consider rules and punishments that she would
not think of herself as willing to instate or inflict. Paul tried to convey this in crying,
shouting fights with his mother lasting up to four hours, sometimes five days a week.
There was an inherent desperation to these fights, in that each time Paul, in
frustration, told his mother how she could have punished him, in whatever previous
situation, to make him feel not in control—to, he believed, help solve his social and
psychological problems—it became complicatedly more difficult, in Paul's view, for
his mother to successfully preempt his expectations the next time. Paul cried and
shouted more than his mother, who only shouted maybe once or twice. Paul would
scream if his mother was downstairs while he was upstairs, in his room, where some
nights he would throw his electric pencil sharpener and textbooks—and, once, a
six-inch cymbal—at his walls, creating holes, resulting in punishments, but never
exceeding what, by imagining their possibilities, he'd already rendered unsurprising,
predictable. The intensity of these fights maybe contributed to Paul's lungs collapsing
spontaneously three times his senior year, when he was absent forty-seven days
and in hospitals for around four weeks.
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What is /lit/'s opinion of the Frankfurt School?

Is it true that the ideology of the liberal left today is influenced by the Frankfurt School and Critical theory?
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the frankfurt school would laugh in the face of, and spit on, the modern left cause the frankfurt school preached unabashed elitism instead of populist wankery
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Yes.
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>>8807266
Stop falling for conspiracy /pol/ nonsense.

Marcuse is the closest you'll get.

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I've heard that there is a version of Canterbury Tales that has both the original english text and a modern english version, side by side. Does anyone know what version this would be? Or if there are more than one of these kinds of versions, which one's the best?
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They should do that with Shakespeare
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>>8807263
But Shakespeare is written in the same English we use now...

there are no fear Shakespeare editions that do this, but I would be embarrassed to be seen with one. They are worse than the emoji Shakespeare imo
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>>8807238
Look up the Wordsworth one. I don't think you'd need any more than that.

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Hey lit, I need your help. What's your opinion on this book? I'm not an expert in philosophy, but I have some background, and I am curious whether it's worth a try.
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It's easier than Philosophy of Mind, since he tackles pragmatic subjects(family, citizen society, the king, cameralism), but it still caries the hegel dialectical jargon. Philosophy of History is the only easy Hegel book.

If know you basic stuff like what subject/object, negative, infinite, in-itself, absolute knowledge, reflection then you should not have much of a problem.

I've read it in a language that is very translatable from german though.
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I read it some time ago and it is a huge blur, but I at least remember some key points about the intersubjectivity of the will in agreements between individuals, institutions etc
I can't say Hegel really did anything for me especially next to, say, Kant
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>>8807415
>I can't say Hegel really did anything for me especially next to, say, Kant
Really? Kant sounds extremely dry whenever I tried reading him, apart from his lectures on Anthropology where he makes jokes. With Hegel if you have any shred of feeling for the metaphysical dimension, the stuff he talks about flows and lives in your mind. Kant has dead and stale categories for me.

I'm thinking about reading Russian literature. Right now I only own Tolstoy's War and Peace and Anna Karenina. Is it okay to start with Tolstoy or do I have to follow order in the picture?
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It's fine to start with Tolstoy.
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>>8807150
Okay thanks.
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Tolstoy is a fantastic opener for a starter Russian lit reading strat.

So, if I just read a bunch of books will that make up for the fact that I'm 22, have no job, haven't started college, and never leave my apartment?
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ye .
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Of course.

You just need to pretend you're only wasting your life as research for your generation-defining debut novel.
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>>8806862
>that pic
lewd

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How do you discover books besides using lit, lit?
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>>8806801
By shitposting and paying attention to posts with many (you)s, of course.
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Talking to friends, professors, librarians, my uncle
>>8806819
That's using /lit/
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>>8806823
This guy's uncle, usually

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what would be the best book on meditation/buddhism for a beginner? it shouldn't be too detailed or thick, I'd just like to learn about the theory (e.g. noble truths) and the practical side of it (meditation), a smooth start

in the 2nd post I will list the books that I've gathered so far, maybe one of them is worth checking in my case?

PS is Alan Watts quality or a hack? and will reading "Siddhartha" by Hesse be worthwhile for me provided that I'm interested in the subject vaguely
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"The Dhammpada" Eknath Easwaran
"Mindfulness in Plain English" Henepola Gunaratana
"The heart of Buddha's teachings" Thich N. Hanh,
"Peace is every step" Thich N. Hanh
"The wisdom of Insecurity" Alan W. Watts
"On the taboo against knowing who you are" Alan W. Watts
"Siddhartha" Herman Hesse
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anyone?
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>>8806747
buddhism is pleb tier. so is hinduism.

>is Alan Watts quality or a hack?
i dont think so, but the normies memed him pretty hard

>and will reading "Siddhartha" by Hesse be worthwhile for me provided that I'm interested in the subject vaguely

haven't read it, but apparently is some essential german-core

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Need advice for a gift. What book would you suggest for a guy who loves Augustine?
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my diary desu
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What else does he like, and why does he like Augustine?
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He's into theology and I don't know why he specifically like augustine.

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whats the most red-pilled book of all time? something that fucks your shit up and teaches everything you ever knew was a lie. my vote goes to journey to ixtlan or ego and its own
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>>8806594
The Conspiracy Against the Human Race.
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>>8806594
>whats the most red-pilled book of all time? something that fucks your shit up and teaches everything you ever knew was a lie.
my diary desu
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>>8806594
REPTILLIAN AGENDA

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So came across this idea of "Death of the author" from Roland Barthes.

What do you think about this?

Personally I'm not too keen on thinking he's right. A text written by an author is tailored to the author's point of view no matter how you spin it.
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>>8806581
And what do you do with the author's point of view? Probably he has been dead for more than a century. In the end it's only you and the book you are reading. What is stopping you from taking what you want from it?
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>>8806581
>A text written by an author is tailored to the author's point of view no matter how you spin it.
That's true, but that point of view is also literally unknowable. Most attempts at reconstructing authorial PoVs are weird awkwardly cobbled together mixtures of psychology and biography that offer little meaningful insight. Taking into account historical context can help explain certain parts of a work and is often useful in an in-depth analysis, but that has little to do with...
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Have you actually read the essay? What do you think of his argument?

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These guys just woke me up.

What's a good non-fiction work on their denomination? I would like to know why they think they are right but was too groggy to ask.
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why do Jehova's Witness flyers/books always look so creepy?
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>>8806789
I fucking love them. It's all like uncanny valley people just sitting around with lions and lambs and looking way too happy.
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>>8806564
Oh and OP, actually like read the Bible, preferably with some annotations or something. They just memorize a couple of phrases and use them out of context. If that's what makes them happy, but this is /lit/ so read.

What makes a work truly stand out as a masterpiece of culture?
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Stand out?
More like EWarnest had to LAY DOWN after he shot himself on the head
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>>8806530
>unique perspective
>processes the big issues of it's time
>good prose
>catchy title
>some elitist hipster reviewers overhyping it enormously
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>>8806530
have you read it?
also
>a masterpiece of culture
not good phrasing

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What are your thoughts on this? I feel like I should read it.
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Try hard dondellilo /10
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two franzen threads in one evening? something's up
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Franzen is lit lite and he dumbs down his works to commercialize them. He sucks.

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Is Hegel actually worth reading? Can we please settle this one? Is he a charlatan or a genius, and why?
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>>8806331
Hegel was a dumbfuck. Nothing he wrote is worth reading.
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>>8806339
this. anyone who managed to delude a generation of gay frenchies into writing nigh incomprehensible garbage (continentals no less) is not worth the time and/or effort
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>>8806344
>>8806339
okay well that was fast, thanks

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Itt I continue my quest to post more HENRY JAMES on lit
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>>8806235
How about you make an actual post about it instead of spamming, faggot.
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>>8806235
Excellent author. The Portrait of a Lady is a great novel.

>That bit in The Golden Bowl where James spends 3 pages describing Mr. Verver thinking to himself for a couple of seconds
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i took an american lit 1860-1910ish course a year ago and we read three henry james works. Washington Square made me obsessive over his stuff

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Itt we pretend Lit has taste
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Who is the better writer of very short poems, Dowson or Landor? I think it to be Dowson, if only for that very famous poem beginning They are not long, the weeping and the laughter. Wistfulness is an emotion overrepresented in literature: Dowson, not Shakespeare or Dante, has given us its ultimate representation.
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>>8806227
Dowson sounds pretty interesting. What would be a good starting place with him?
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>>8806206
>Penguin Classics
>taste

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I have an essay on education. Can i have a few of your thoughts on what education is and what it means. i need a fourth source and i thought 4chan could liven my essay up.
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Education be that fancy book learnin
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>>8806141
Fucking perfect quot
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>>8806138
If you want a real source you might want to check out Montaigne's "On educating children" or, for something modern, Dewey's "Experience and education."

Like 30 and 100 pages, respectively.


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