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agree or disagree?
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Chiang is a great sci fi writer, but Moore is arguably the greatest comic book writer of all time

In terms of their own medium, Moore is much more influential than Chiang in his
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After Jerusalem launches this question will seem fucking stupid.
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>>8463821
Is Jerusalem even that good?

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Hi /lit/, is there a word for saying or doing something that makes it more likely for that thing to occur?

Example: "Isn't naming our team 'the losers' just setting us up to lose'"

But instead of "setting us up" its that word which I hope you guys can help find for me. Thanks.
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A self fulfilling prophecy perhaps.
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>Example: "Isn't naming our team 'the losers' just setting us up to lose'"

Self-fulfilling prophecy, maybe?
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foreshadowing

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Can we describe books we love while making them sound terrible?

>bunch of guys run around and kill indians
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>blood meridian needs help sounding terrible

seriously. put proper punctuation in and it's pretty pedestrian. but "art communities" have such an unending hardon for the idea that anyone who disregards convention must be a genius mccarthy's blah tripe get heralded as brilliant.
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>>8463765
that sounds good to me though
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>jew gets cucked and walks around a lot

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knowing that his sci fi work will never be as imaginative as Delany's
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wat
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“I kept on killin’ ’em…But i didn’t come you know? It hurt…But it didn’t make me shoot…”
Hogg grinned at me. “Go on, cocksucker. Take it out.” He took his hand away.
Denny’s fell back on his thigh like a muddy claw.
I turned on the seat and pulled open Denny’s fly.
It looked awful. It was all swollen, and a funny color, even in the half-dark. When I took it out, it was stiff, but not like a hard-on. It was just leathery; it wobbled on his groin. The head was bulged up around the nail so there wasn’t any space left. The foreskin was stretched...
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>>8463963
Who is the narrator if not Hogg himself?

>Friend goes to to Ivy League uni and majors in English, primarily go in interested in Fantasy, Sci Fi, and Jack London
>Takes classes in Classics, American and Jewish Literature, etc.
>graduates
>instantly comes back a raging leftist, sharing pics of slam poetry sessions as if they have any real substance and expressing how 20th century American Jewish poetry is the best poetry ever produced

Why does this always happen /lit/? Why is it that...
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>>8463723
https://www.amazon.com/Closing-American-Mind-Education-Impoverished/dp/1451683200
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>>8463723
>slam poetry
>raging leftism
Liberals and polyps make me laugh.
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>>8463723
>going to the Ivy League to major in English
I never went any school close to that level, do people expect that these schools will teach them how to write well or do they just not know what to do with their lives?

Thoughts on Chuck's work?
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Edgelord Supreme couldn't write a decent haiku without shock value.
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>>8463711
He catches a lot of hell on this board, but I thought was pretty good.
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>>8463763
*thought Rant was pretty good.

Time to go to bed.

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Who is your favorite living author and your favorite book of theirs?

Pic related
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>>8463698
Infinite Jest by pic related, the absolute madman David "Ruggles" Foster
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>>8463703
Didn't he die like 8 years ago?
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Underworld by Don Dellilo, the last 40 or so pages of that book gave me feels like no other

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Is normal to suck really bad when you're beggining to write?

how much does it take before getting gud?
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>>8463691
Yes it's normal. However, the truly genius writers are not normal, are they. And I am a genius.
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How does /lit/ deal with writer's block
>inb4 thinking /lit/ is all the same, hivemind, etc
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>>8463691
Almost everybody sucks shit at anything when they first start out.

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Who else /superiorintelligence/ here? It's sad how the world is not built for us beings of higher consciousness. How does one withstand this lonely feeling of absolute superiority?
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Just tell everybody around you several times a day how superior you are and how stupid they are, and how they are too stupid to even realise this.
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>>8463830
I tried this approach and I'm met only with laughter and scorn!

How should I refine my approach? Less deprecation, more depravity?
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I hate that I can't tell whether you're kidding.

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What's the probability that some hidden knowledge is located at the Vatican's library?

Are there any good books that may have some insight into the Library's collection?
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Anything "hidden" in the Vatican's archives is hidden for the good of mankind. Books on witchcraft, demon-summoning, and the like. Stuff that humans really should stay away from, regardless of what the folks on /x/ will tell you.
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>>8463613
If you want to know so badly just break in action hero style, becoming a fugitive in the process, and run for the rest of the film while attempting to uncover ancient secrets to clear your name. In the process of doing so you will probably meet your love interest who you will grow more attached to throughout the movie until the end when you have your first and final kiss and she sacrifices herself to save the world. In all it would probably be a relativley low budget but decent action flick, getting somewhere between...
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Anyone that attempts to access their secrets will be hunted down and murdered. There's a reason we don't know anything, they don't want us to know. More than likely it has conquered treasures they erased from history, or religious texts they do not want us to find.

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What are some other Kafkaesque movies I should check out?
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>>8463610
bugs's life
honey i shrunk the kids
george shrinks (theirs bugs in there somewhere and it is not a movie)
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>>8463610
you're not wrong desu
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Enemy

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Who would win a fight, Karl Marx or Pjotr Kropotkin?

http://www.strawpoll.me/11134818
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fatty vs fatty eh
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>>8463606

Marx is a cutie though
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>>8463601
Kropotkin beard > Marx beard

what are some of your favourite books on mythology and ancient symbolism?

also, which, in your opinion, would be best for a beginner who doesn't know much other than the most popular Greek legends?
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Mythology - Edith Hamilton
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>>8463574
I'm new to /lit/.
you're memeing, right?
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>>8463578
Yes.

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What's even the point of reading Kirkegaard if you're an atheist? Isn't it just for historical importance or pretentiousness then?
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Fuck off soren. You're STILL not a lit meme
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>>8463555
What's even the point of being an atheist when Pascal's wager exists
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>>8463572
is this bait?

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Is Lombardo a good translation of the Iliad?

I've already read Fagles and Pope.
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>>8463528
It was my first and I liked it a lot. I think it's great for the first time reader who is unaccustomed to the classics--think your average high-school or college kid who is just Starting with the Greeks(tm).

Stylistically, it's much closer to Fagles than to Pope. In fact it might be the only translation more 'readable' for the novice than Fagles', who is famous for it (barring Rieu's prose one perhaps).

Compared to Fagles', it's even more direct, more terse, concentrated,...
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>>8464222
I'll try to put it fewer words:

When I'm reading Lattimore or Merrill I am reminded that I am reading a masterpiece of classical literature that towers over literary art to this day. When I'm reading Lombardo or Fagles I am being made clear that I'm reading a poem about rage and war, glory and death, about what it feels to live a short life and what's left of us afterwards. I'm feeling I'm reading something universal that might have been written no matter when.
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>>8464222
P.S. If you find yourself enjoying the likes of Fagles and Lombardo you might want to check out Ian Johnston's translations. I believe he makes them available for free on his webpage. Look him up.

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Sup crackers?

We need to discuss THE LORD OF THE RINGS.

I have seen the academy award winning motion pictures, but I have yet to read this epic saga from the pen of Tolkien himself.

Quick questions:

1) Is it worth reading if you have seen the films?

2) Is it worth buying the trilogy books brand new? They go for £30.00 in the shops but can be purchased second hand for around £12.00 on ebay.

I have read The Hobbit.

Thanks crackers.
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I barely remember the books after the first one. First one is pretty comfy tier. I finally read the rest a few years ago but they're basically a primer for the silmarilion.
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>>8463521
Was this written by Christopher Tolkien'so father?
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>>8463521
If you liked the movies, you'll like the books.

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Where was the marijuana?
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The dime bag he hid up his.ass.gave him rectel cancer
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>>8463497
>marijuana

The book isn't a reference to drugs, fool. It's about how women are awful and wreck the lives of men.

>more like Stone 'er!, amirite guys?
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Right here

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How does one develop the virtue of humility?
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>>8463476
You either have it or you don't, man. For instance, I was heavily abused and bullied as a child and I am remarkably humble.

Good luck, OP.
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>>8463476
the key to humility is to value others as much as yourself
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>>8463502
>>8463488

Thank you but are there any actionable things I can do as opposed to just thinking my way to humility.

For example, if I wanted to oppose the Sin of Greed, I would cultivate the virtue of Generosity by perhaps donating to charity and sharing my possessions

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So, in the end, why was Orr being hit by the whore in the head?

Plus another question, how often should I change my bed sheets? Just the ammount of days so I don't have to wash it everyday, but not swim in... god bro, please?
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Orr paid the whore to hit him in head.

Once a week.

Orr was the best boy btw.
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>>8463478
My god. You just got Hellerish, Why did he pay a whore to hit him?
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>>8463484
to knock the apples out of his mouth

>read the book the upcoming film Arrival is based off of
>it won scifi short story awards
>boring as fuck book, even more boring ending
what did /lit/ think of this?

it's 32 pages, you should be able to read it and post in this thread
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It's actually a masterpiece and pretty clearly a work of genius. Peter watts also ripped of ted chiang hard
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I thoroughly enjoyed it, old chap. As I read the book, there is a tension building as the interactions between the aliens and humans get more complex. The interstitials when the narrator addresses her child was confusing at first, until I realized the alien writing was connected to our human notions of linear time/experience.
Based Ted Chiang, anon. Accept no substitute.
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>>8463451
Anon, I've read both Blindsight and Story of Your Life. Can you elaborate on why you think Watts ripped off Chiang? I can't quite make the connection apart from xeno life form has a completely different take on reality and time than humans.

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has anyone else read this brilliant work?

/contemporary asian fiction thread
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What's is about?
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>>8463430
the main character deals with death and its sort of an optimistic meditation on being earnest and living passionately

im explaining it poorly but its kind of like a murakami novel
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>>8463426
Is that a picture of the author? Why is she sporting those stupid boots and that even more stupid name? How am I supposed to take 'contemporary asian fiction' seriously with shit like this?

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I tried reading the book of sand. It was shit. It feels like an old borges trying to imitate borges.
Where do i go from there?
I've already read ficciones and the aleph
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>>8463413

Young Borges is the funnest Borges.

>Select all street signs
>It's all street signs
>Select storefronts
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Have you read his poetry?
If you want to know about Borges you have to read his poetry.
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>>8463473
He only can if he's able to read Spanish.

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What other hobbies does /lit/ have, besides reading and writing literature?
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>>8463367
Reading about reading and writing literature
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I play drop in hockey games and create hockey stats graphics for fun.
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>>8463367
doing /his/ stuff, playing and listening to music

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Hey fellas,
I've checked my bank account and realised that I have subsided to audible 2 month ago and therefore have 3 credits (basically 3 books regardless of length). Can you please recommend something that will be good in audiobook format.
Thanks
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I can speak English and Russian, also I'm considering Dune. Is it any good in audio format?
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>>8463339
The Great Courses The Foundations of Western Civilization I & II. Using credits to get the great courses is a HUGE discount over actually buying them at full price.
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If you're looking for comfy recs, try:
The Martian
World War Z
Ready Player One

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is The Ego and Its Own a good start for getting into philosophy?
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>>8463329
It's a good way to end philosophy, Stirner's writings are the logical conclusion to mental masturbation.
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>>8463329
lol no
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>>8463329
absolutely not

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Does anyone read 2 books at once?
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Yes, usually one fiction and one non-fiction book
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Anyone else? Do you feel it messes with your concentration or vibe?
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>>8463583
I read about 10 books at the same time.

Not a very good idea, but I can't help it.

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Would you consider yourself a well read individual?
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>>8463267
I suppose, but I also try to not smell too much of the lamp.
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>>8463267
you tell me
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no, I'm honestly just a fraud

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>real page turner
>New York times best seller
>a powerful read
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>haunting
>hilarious
>skewers the American dream
>scathing satire of the fashion industry
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>>8463234

tour de force
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>Title: A Novel

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What would be the ideal chronological order in which a nietzsche noob like myself should read his books?

I have a light understanding of kants work and a competant understanding of Schopenhauers writings.
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>>8463197
The ideal chronological order would be from the first thing he wrote to the last.
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Start with the Greeks.
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read them in alphabetical order instead

Is the trilogy that follows after Rendevous with Rama worth reading? I've heard the first two are a slog and filled with more drama than exploration or science. But on the other hand I've heard the third one fixes that issue and also, you know, reveals things.
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>>8463106
Stop after Rendezvous, the whole point is that you don't get told what Rama actually is. The mysterious aspect is why the book is good.
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I've only read the first. Loved it.

I think the alien nature of the craft is overstated in the reviews I've read. What makes it so... unnerving or mystical, is that it's so nearly human.

That aspect isn't talked about enough.
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>>8463106
>first true contact with aliens
>this might be the most important oment in the history of man kind
>lets send a bunch of criminals lol
i was never more pissed at a book than when reading about how the prisioners shit the bed and ruin everything for everyone else on the ship when things were going so well until the moment they showed up


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