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I just spent literally an hour trying to understand the first 2 1/2 pages of the third chapter of this book. What the fuck lit, what the fuck. It's one of the most confusing and convoluted things I have ever read. STOP, I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE THINKING, JUST STOP; you're thinking this novel is easy, but you're wrong, WRONGGGG!!! WROOOOOOONG ARRRRG!! I'M GONNA CHEW ON YOUR BUTT!!! ON YOUR BUTT!!! GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH! No.
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>>8462246
IT'S LITERALLY /R9K/ THE BOOK

the underground man IS LITERALLY your average ROBOT from the board /r9k/

/R9K/ = THE UNDERGROUND MAN
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>>8462246
>t. lower consciousness pleb
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>>8462249
I noticed the parallels to some of the people on this website.

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ITT: Dubs and I re-read it.

Put a book you're considering re-reading. If you hit dubs, re-read. If you don't hit dubs, idk maybe you wanna re-read it anyway. Hell idk why I made this thread.
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>>8462162
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I'm tired of selecting storefronts, 4chan.
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Your thoughts on him?
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>>8462152
I know him only because of Birdman
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>>8462152
read what we talk about when we talk about love. 8 was super hyped because that's a sick fucking title. it was meh.
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>>8462152
Can't tell if he's black or not.

I liked Cathedral.

I'm new to his work, where do I start?
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>>8462134
dumpster
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>>8462134
actually i'd say start at the end with pic related

this is a really interesting series of books btw
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>>8462134
Sirens of Titan
Cat's Cradle
Slaughterhouse five just to know what all the memes are about

The thing about him is that most of his books are fairly similar to one another and his charm can wear thin pretty quickly.

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Has there ever been a book about a protagonist whose tale is told only through interactions with other people he mets at the end of chapters, with each chapter telling the story of one of these people ? For instance a chapter would go through the main events of person A's life up until person A meets the protagonist. Knowing about Person A's life gives the reader the point of view of person A and why person A would interact with the protagonist the way person A does.
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>>8462108
Probably.

Why?
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>>8462114
Cause I would enjoy it.
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>>8462108
Yes, Percival in Woolf's 'The Waves'

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What book took you the longest to finish?

>implying you've ever finished a book

For me, it was "Heart of Darkness" by Joseph Conrad. Boring as fuck, and the only reason I read it is because someone off-handedly mentioned its plot being the inspiration for "Apocalypse Now"
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Pic related, only because the somewhat episodic structure of the book meant I could read it over a long period of time, without having to keep track of very much. It's pretty good if you want to read about war, adventure, and dudes finding themselves.
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>>8462104
Heart of Darkness is awesome and not that hard. You can't read.
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The Bible, followed by Don Quixote

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In this thread I will post quotations from the book "Unabomber: The Secret Life of Ted Kaczynski" by Chris Waits.

It covers the twenty-five years Ted lived in a cabin near Lincoln, Montana, and contains information about his writing and reading habits.

If this thread interests you please bump to keep it alive
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On the region where Ted lived

>"His small acreage and one-room, 12-by-10-foot primitive cabin, with a wood stove but no electricity, was on a jumping off spot to an isolated primeval world of rippling streams, westslope cutthroat trout, mule deer and regal elk. Parts of this world haven't seen a human soul since the last of the gold miners deserted their sluice boxes in the late 1920s. [...] For a hermit-like man looking for total isolation, this was the spot."

__________

On Ted's demeanour

>"Ted's...
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Shouldn't you be working on our biography, tedbro?
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On Ted's social preferences

>"When Ted stopped at my Lincoln shop just to visit I felt almost honored, because I never saw him go anywhere except to conduct business, such as buying groceries. But for him to stop, conditions had to be just right. The big garage doors [...] had to be opened wide, and I had to be alone. It became quickly obvious our visits had to be one-on-one. If someone stopped while Ted was there, he'd be gone like a puff of smoke, disappearing even in the middle of a sentence. At first it seemed like odd behaviour,...
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What even is the point of reading philosophy?

Everything that philosophy says can be understood from fiction if you're able to read a even a high school level, and fiction has artistic merit unlike philosophical essays and such
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why are brits, as a people, so consistently repulsive?
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>>8462054
Britbrong here. I agree. It's just a depressing island for the most part. There are a few quaint villages in the South and some posh parts of London are fairly flawless, but Britain is fucking shit and I wouldn't have it any other way.
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>>8462049
I quite agree. I read a ton of it, took an intro class, couldn't stop rolling my eyes. Fuck philosophy.

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ITT: books that /lit isn't smart enough to read.
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>>8462037
this thread
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Fifth Season edition

Recommendations:
>Fantasy
Selected: http://i.imgur.com/r688cPe.jpg/
General: http://i.imgur.com/igBYngL.jpg/
Flowchart: http://i.imgur.com/uykqKJn.jpg/

>Sci-Fi
Selected: http://i.imgur.com/A96mTQX.jpg/
General: http://i.imgur.com/r55ODlL.jpg/ http://i.imgur.com/gNTrDmc.jpg/

Previous thread: >>8450800
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>>8461993
SJW Edition you mean
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Does this get any better? I don't understand the praise it has received. It reads just like a shitty Jack Vance.
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>>8462016

>shitty Jack Vance

Do you mean like one of Vance's bad stories or like a bad copy of Vance?

I just read most of Matthew Hughes' Hengis Hapthorn trilogy because of the critical comparison to Vance. The similarity is there but it's more "Kokod Warriors" than "The Languages of Pao". It wasn't bad but by the third novel, I was tired of Hapthorn.

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>we call a new theory 'scientific' if it facilitates prediction and 'philosophical' if it does not
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That's so the liberal Jews can discredit the red pill and the prophesies in the Bible
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>>8461824
What dey mean by this?

can philosophy not make predictions??
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Learn the definition of science first, fedora-tipper

Is this poorly written? v2

http://pastebin.com/h0D2Bfxt
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>>8461818
Not necessarily poorly written but it reads pretty blandly. Try moving some things around in your sentences and spell out numbers unless they're large (I got with anything under the teens to spell out). I guess that's more of a personal stylistic choice but I just hate seeing, "We had 1 dog."

>The yard would be tree lined, much like the roads. Behind lies a gigantic dense forest, surrounding a meadow that I would take my dog to and children if I had any.

There's...
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>>8461835
Let me add a little more good to this. I AM interesting in where the writing is going. Do you drink cheap whiskey or expensive whiskey? Are they dry, harsh cigarettes, or do you feel some kind of satisfaction smoking them?

Some small description would go a long way but I do like that you're not just writing self indulgent bullshit. The shortness of sentences is also a personal preference of mine. I would read more of what you wrote but I would very much prefer more description (is the driveway dirt, gravel...
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>>8461818
there are way less mistakes now, although i have to note this piece is also shorter than the previous one. now my main issue is just that the sentences are sometimes structured very unnaturally, like you're translating your thoughts from another language. same could be said about your choice of words. so i think you should just read a bit more and you'll be cool.

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Have any works of art been so impressive in depth, argument, and insight as to change your whole life around?

For me, it was Schopenhauer's 'On Women'.
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>>8461763
oh look it's the sex politics frogposter
still posting shitty threads here i see
have you been outside yet mate? talked to any real people? maybe eaten some healthy food?
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>>8461813
>going outside

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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Mockingjay

I read On The Road and want to read some more stuff about being beat, bumming around, and having hip adventures. Any recommendations? Either Kerouac or someone else is fine.
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>>8461687
the divine comedy
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candide
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>>8461687
Tortilla Flat is kind of similar, about a bunch of guys who are poor, unemployed drunks who live out their lives in California. It's a great story and I loved the characters in the end even though they acted like trash to themselves and strangers at times. Kind of like real people.

You have much more patience than me if you were able to enjoy On the Road. I've never been able to enjoy any of Kerouac's writing.

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>about to start Oxen of the Sun
wish me luck, boys
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>>8461635
good luck, boy
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gōd lock, cild
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good goy, vey

why do people so often refer to DFW as being particularly physically attractive? David Lipsky mentions it in his extended interview with Wallace, and Franzen does at one point in one of the articles he wrote about him.

also, why did he try so hard to present himself as something that he wasn't? in his interviews, particularly those in the mid to late nineties, he comes across as being overwhelmingly self-conscious, self-hating, and fake. I read through a collection of interviews with him, and he was a lot more forthcoming about himself in a very real way in his...
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>>8461608

Well he isn't ugly but isn't a model. I guess Franzen looked in the mirror and then at Wallace and went, "whoa, he's hot." He has a nice smile.

Franzen really isn't ugly either from some angles, just a bit odd looking
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Everybody's fake on the inside - humans learn by imitation.

Being publicly and transparently fake is, in a meta sort of way, as real as you can get.
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>>8461608
He was a a narcissist. Very insecure and tried hard to present an image of someone who was really intellectual yet on wavelength with the stupid general populace, hence the exaggerated affectation of seeming to struggle with complex ideas and putting them into thoughts, as if he didn't want to appear intellectual and 'phony' but "sincere" and not an ivory tower faggot.

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What's the Serbian Film of books??
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My diary desu
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anything by this beta boy
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mein Tagebuch desu

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What kind of actual PLEB would buy just The Grand Inquisitor and not buy Karamazov and read them together??
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>>8462194
Actually the pleb would buy Crime and Punishment
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>>8461532

Why would apologize? His Grand Inquisitor was a false straw man. Catholic Spain didnt fall to communism, Orthodox Russia did.

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Anyone else a big fan of Dostoyevsky despite being deeply unimpressed by his theology?
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>>8461503

well, he's a writer, not a philosopher. I see no problem with your opinion.
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I'm halfway through The Brothers Karamazov.

Could it possibly be the undisputed GOATest novel of all time?
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>>8461517
It could, were it not for the
MEME™
SUPREME™
INFINTE™
JEST™

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What's the best version of the bible to read for literary purposes? I was thinking the KJ but I believe that was heavily edited to suit the needs of medieval Europe. Is there a version that more closely resembles the original version? Also, what order should it be read in?
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>>8461479
Bumping. I want to know as well. thinking about reading the bible. Heard KJ was the best version.
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read The Jerusalem Bible instead of heretic fanfiction

>>8461479
nice pic btw, is there any /lit/ version of that?
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>>8461479
oxford annotated bible

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why did /lit/ tell me to read this?
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Mainly because it's the greatest literary achievement of all time.
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>>8461411
>the greatest literary achievement of all time is The Three Stooges novelization
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lol, are you literally a retard?

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https://www.theguardian.com/books/booksblog/2016/mar/21/for-me-traditional-publishing-means-poverty-but-self-publish-no-way
http://goodereader.com/blog/commentary/self-published-authors-are-destroying-literature

Opinions?
Is self publishing destroying literature or are these just old people not understanding the internet?

Does youtube also destroy films?
Does deviantart also destroy painting?
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>>8461349

Can't say I understand.

>"Real authors can't compete with the prices of self-published works"
How is it self-publishers' fault if people buy their trash instead of proper publications? It's the consumers' freedom to do so. If limiting options to professional-only is the only way to make people buy professional authors' works, then doesn't that just mean said works are not really that good or appealing either? "The goal of...
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>>8462131
it just comes down to old ladies ranting about not understanding the internet.
that's my guess.
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Traditional publishing destroyed itself by turning into a mill for garbage half a century ago and getting even worse with each passing decade. What they failed to realize is that once you start selling people trash it's only a matter of time before they decide to get their fix faster and cheaper.

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I have downloaded ebooks but real books area real books if you know what I mean. What do you think?

https://www.amazon.com/Spice-Anniversary-Collectors-Isuna-Hasekura/dp/0316504017/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1472488362&sr=1-1&keywords=spice%20and%20wolf%20anniversary
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>translations
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>>8461429
>not reading translations
pleb
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> $150 for weeb shit

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I'm drawing a lot of similarities, in terms of structure and style, between pic related and 100 years of solitude. Does anyone else find that when they read these two novels?

They're both expansive and follow specific people as they grow and change. East of Eden is less magical than 100 years of solitude, but there is still this spiritual and divine air to it that I felt when I read Marquez's novel.

I'm not done East of Eden yet, though, so this may change.
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>>8461239
Is it good OP?
ive read Grapes of Wrath and of mice and men and loved them. I don't care what anyone says Steinbeck is the best descriptor of nature Ever?
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>>8461276
it's amazing!!
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>>8461276
It's John Steinbeck's masterpiece.

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Did Bacon do more harm or good for western society?
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>>8461237
>Bacon, the "Selbst-Tierquäler"
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>>8461237
That´s up to society.
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>>8461237
before Bacon = tradition, hierarchy, civility
after Bacon = degeneracy, interracial relationships, leftism

I think it's clear

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So, I have recently started to play the guitar and /mu/ pointed me to JustinGuitar.com which is an incredibly good teacher with so many structured and well thought lessons.
I'm learning so much!

Is there something similar for writing? I've been writing for some years, amateurishly, and I think I'm pretty good, I've done well in some contests and even had a short story published in an antology but I want to see what else is ut there that I dont know.
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>>8461233
>JustinGuitar.com
just listen to music you like and try to play on your own
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justinwriting.com
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>>8461233
I immediately opened the thread as soon as I saw his picture. His videos are really old school and it was thanks to him that I got around learning guitar some 6 years back. Many many great afternoons playing. He seems like an awesome guy IRL.

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Or is there slavish devotion to materialism makes them incapable of any great literary or artistic achievement?
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DELETE THIS
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>>8461216
well to be fair, marxist havn't really contributed anything of any worth to literature or art
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Can, The Nation of Ulysses, the list goes on

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Seems like a waste of time.
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>>8461189
It is. I only want to delude myself of the painful misery that is my life.

Some people use drugs, or tv, or videogames. I use books. It's all the same. We all want to forget who we are.
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>>8461196
>Some people use drugs, or tv, or videogames. I use books. It's all the same. We all want to forget who we are.
If this is your reasoning for reading great books you probably didn't read much, skimmed or just read "easy" books (genre fiction and YA)

>>8461189
What is important to you in life? Literature seldom offers you objective returns, just like music and movies. Stopping to listen to a full Mahler symphony...
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>>8461189
>ranking the bible #1

who even was the author and why do the chapters keep repeating themselves?

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That's Beckett. Look at his eyes. Doesn't he look absurdly wise?
Those are the eyes of an old man, yet he is barely in his twenties.

How can someone acquire is wisdom eyes?
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>>8461185
Acquire glaucoma
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>>8461185
>That's Nietzsche. Look at his beard. Doesn't he look absurdly wise?
>This is the beard of an old man, yet he is barely in his thirties.
>How can someone acquire is wisdom eyes?
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>>8461185
Are you autistic?

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>forcing myself to read because I feel like I "have" to read something, even though I'm not really enjoying it, but I feel obligated
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>>8461158
Read Stirner and you'll get over that spook
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>>8461158
What are you reading, anon?
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You are me in the recent past OP. Buy Nicholas Nickleby and start reading it and then youll realise the stupidity of your feeling.

Stop listening to lit when they tell you that books will make you smarter. Theyre disposable pieces of entertainment that in many cases are vehicles for the self indulgent barely disguised memoirs of the author. Or written only for the money.


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