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What does Mankind –more than anything –desire?
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–Something–
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>>8456691
Mankind or the individual man?

Collective and personal desires may ultimately overlap, but they also may not. So clarify.
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>>8456693
> not understanding how to properly interpret the use of the em dash
no one likes who you've become

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Every time i make a post about reading to learn or better myself I get hit with criticism and ridicule. What the hell is wrong with this board
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Hate is another form of love.
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>>8456613
Shit people, that's all.
Ask your questions and I'll help if I can anon.
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>>8456613
This place is one of the last bastions of pure aesthetic appreciation. Art certainly has utilitarian functions, but too much of the world tries to reduce it wholly to those functions, thereby socially devaluing what it essentially is. There need to be groups of people who take up arms against this leveling sea. If you have questions framed in a way that implies you see literature as a tool, or a means, expect to be leveled yourself. We can't let functionalist reductionism gain to sturdy a footing, especially during...
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Does literature need to be challenging to be good? Does good literature tend to be more challenging? Can something easy and simple be magnificent?
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>>8456602
In what sense of challenging? Stylistically it needn't be. Conceptually, in the most limited sense of the word, it needn't be. But it has to articulate truth. And the truth is damn hard to wrap your head around.
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http://adilegian.com/FranzenGaddis.htm
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>>8456657
*tips fedora*

ITT books you've never seen being discussed on /lit/
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>>8456594
Sade isn't discused often
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>>8456599
nev·er
ˈnevər/
adverb
1.
at no time in the past or future; on no occasion; not ever.
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Not only does /lit/ not talk about this, they don't even mention Federman at all.

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Who are your personal role models /lit/
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>>8456556
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>>8456556
Euler or the guy that says fuck her right in the pussy. That was a funny hoax.
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Schopie :-)

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yet Sam Delany is by all accounts a superior writer and isn't talked about as much
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I like Delany..but no
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>>8456424
It's less a racial thing and more a genreshit thing. Yes, Dhalgren has a reputation for being /lit/, but other than that he just wrote scifi and that thing about the pedophile.
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>>8456429
im talking in terms of sheer writing ability

DFW is not on his level

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>Man, Joyce sure is a genius. I mean, that prose am I right guys? that PROSE right?

>that PROSE AM I RIGHT

>THAT PROOOOOOSSSSEEEEE

>THAT PROSE PROSE PROSE PROSE PROSE
>PRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOSSSSSSSEEEEE
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Who are you quoting
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Yeah, I agree, his poetic command of language and the phonetic quality of his work is quite outstanding,
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I do things like get a book and say, "The prose, and step on it.”

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Recommend some comfy scifi books please.
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Flatland with notes by Ian Stewart. It's basically double the comfy because Ian's notes feels like a smart friend going over a comfy story with you. I like to pretend Ian is my friend anyway since I have none.
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>>8456328
The Illustrated Man is top notch comf.
Also The Martian Chronicles, it's like the same thing but on Mars.

They're both short story collections that feel like you're at your grampa's cozy house listening to him go on and on about "back in my day" in his dated purple prose and themes that lost relevance but still entertain.

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What the fuck
Self Portrait im a Convex Mirror (the collection) makes no sense. Why is this dude so impenetrable?
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>>8456322

he's really not hard.

Hint: take him less seriously. take some self-reflection. imagine all the fun associations from his weirder metaphors.

Analyzing him like an academic is ultimate pseud. Not that his poems are meaningless, but different. Self-Portrait's long eponymous poem should be read ASAP. Enjoy it and come to your own conclusions.
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>>8456322

baka desu
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>>8456322
its just a compilation of post-structural theories

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In this thread, post books that:

1. Are of exceptional quality

2. users on this board have probably never heard of

pic related
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>>8456318
what makes it exceptional OP? sell it
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>>8456319
The prose

Now post a book
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>>8456325
guess it's another pseud thread oh well

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So I like to get back into mystery and detective fiction. I remember enjoying those books as a kid (I read those that were written for children of course) but lost touch with the written stories (watched CSI and L&O on TV) as the years past. But I feel lost whenever I enter the mystery section of the bookstore. Everything looks the same, I can't tell the wheat from the chaff. There's the Sherlock Holmes stories, of course, but I've already got the complete novels and short stories. Are the Raymond Chandler novels any good?

Does anybody have recommendations,...
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>>8456251
In the Cafe of Lost Youth, Missing Person, After the Circus
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the deadly percheron
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Raymond Chandler is great, pretty much the defining noir writer (start with the Big Sleep) and you should get hold of some Dashiell Hammett too. The Maltese Falcon is proto-Chandler in form, atmosphere and tone, and Red Harvest is his best IMHO.

>Favourite book
>Guilty pleasure
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>>8456194
>Moby Dick
>2D traps
100% straight btw
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>favorite book
Notes From Underground
>guilty pleasure
watching these videos
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyCGAEhS7VA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fxb6IstGQbk
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>book
The Beetle Leg
>guilty pleasure
The Big Bang Theory; other awful sitcoms
4chan

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I have a problem, guys. My bookshelf is pretty lacking. What are some quality books I could probably pick up from a used book store?
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Atlas Shrugged.
Ronald Reagan biography.
O'Reilly 'Killing _____' series books.
The Bible.
One of those 'How religion/Jesus/Christianity can turn your life around' self-help style books.
Capitalism and Freedom by Milton Friedman.
Bullies by Ben Shapiro.
End the Fed by Ron Paul.
1984.
Art of the Deal.
Crippled America.

That should cover about everything.
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>>8456254
nice try, but you forgot IJ.
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Hypersphere

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Is Duolingo the best way to learn a new language? I want to use it to supplement my Spanish that I'm already learning in school
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>>8456151

it's a good way to learn up though Spanish 2 in high school. Less use after that, if any.
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>>8456165
I'm nearly at a level comparable to AP Spanish and the grammar they have towards the end of the Duolingo course is equal if not more advanced
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>>8456151
No, it's not.

Duolingo is good for vocabulary. There's a whole fucking sticky on /int/ about the best ways to learn a given language, go there

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have you bought any books from them?

would you recommend anything essential they are selling?

I feel like reading some fringe, or even classic, leftist stuff
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>>8455801
>leftist publication

Your on the wrong website, kid.

Take the redpill or head to /r/books
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>>8455811
Fucking slit your throat
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Why are so many people on this board dumb enought to see things as leftist or rightist even if it is the implication of the author? They are meaningless and very limiting terms even in question to pololitic's and thought. Categorizing thoughts and actions in such a way leads to mass misunderstanding and ignorance and arrogance of what someone is potentially saying.

/u/ here, I've been looking for books to read as a reference to my own writings, to learn from.

So far I've been recommended:
>The Price of Salt, or Carl (Patricia Highsmith)
>The Gods of Tango (Carolina De Robertis)
>The Gravity Between Us (Kristen Zimmer)
Please don't mind the "The X of Y" titles, I would sincerely appreciate some other recommendations.

Even normal romance would be alright, I'm looking to do justice to the picture...
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I would also be interested in literature about the purest form of love
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>>8455794
Thanks for the support anon.

Please we would appreciate any recommendations.
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first things first barely any women write great literature and if they do they typically arent dykes, so as much as i wish i could help you, i really cant.

Sappho is the only lesbian source material I can think of that is worth anything.

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Is Literary Science a real science?
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>>8455728

No, most of its expositors aren't even very good writers. Go to jstor, type in a book you like, and read any of the criticism, and tell me that that is a worthwhile pursuit.

This is why you need a state church, as a form of welfare for middle-class intellectual types.

Professional academia in the humanities is mostly a sick joke, besides the tiny portion of it that is actually useful (dictionaries, papyrology, real textual criticism)
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>>8455728
>This is why you need a state church
Is this common in your country?
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>>8455728
No!

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>tfw you drudged through 200 pages through IJ
>everybody says it picks up at that point

I haven't touched the book in months should I go back and re-read it or just start up again?
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>>8455697
get to page 201 at least.
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>>8455697
reread, stop being lazy
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>>8455697
I read up to page 300 with the same thing in mind. It's been over a year since I've read any serious amount beyond that. I enjoyed some moments so far, but I just don't see myself finishing it anytime soon, if ever.

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For those of you who have read this, what are your thoughts on his argument?
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I thought it was good, a good argument. And I know arguments.
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>>8455685
Makes sense if you accept general utilitarian premises, I think.

I've read parts of it but it didn't interest me enough to read all of it, since I don't accept such premises.
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>>8455685
What did you think of the argument against reading this book?

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>Start writing a fantasy series this summer with a pretty specific set up
>Write 50k words
>Start thinking it's actually pretty good and wondering whether it might be enough to get an agent interested
>Bored browsing TV Tropes one day
>Find out there's another series with literally the exact same premise although other than that pretty dissimilar

What do lads?
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>>8455630
Be specific.
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>>8455630
Keep going, anon. You'll be fine.
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>>8455635

I don't want to give away the plot, but lets just say that it's the equivalent of writing a book about the destruction of a super powerful magical ring.

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> top 5 Shakespeare plays
> favourite publishers
> favourite Shakespeare critics
> favourite adaptations
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richard the third, othello, macbeth, the taming of the shrew ,hamlet

throne of blood
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> King Lear, Richard III, Macbeth, Julius Caesar, Romeo and Juliet
>Arden, hands down
>Foakes, Kermode, and some others
>Haven't seen much adaptations, but I like Olivier as Richard III
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> top 5 Shakespeare plays
antony and cleopatra, coriolanus, as you like it, taming of the shrew, richard iii
> favourite publishers
dunno, the shitty paperback ones are usually good enough
> favourite Shakespeare critics
mark van duren, empson, borges
> favourite adaptations
throne of blood, i guess

what are your thoughts on blogs & magazines?
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Good blogs and magazines are worth reading. Bad blogs and magazines aren't worth reading
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>>8455476
what are some good blogs then?
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>>8455487
Those with good posts.

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Lit, I don't know where I'm going with my life and I feel like I have nowhere to go, I'm trapped. I don't know what I can even do, I don't even know how to get a job, college isn't even for me, school has never been a good fit for me. I don't know what to do, I feel like I should be living my life, I feel like there's more to life than just doing stuff inside my apartment my parents pay for all the time. Please recommend a book that I can read, because it always seems like when you're going through something someone comes along and...
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>>8455455
Shit go to a trade school, plumbers make bank.

Read a book on plumbing.
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>>8455461
All I've got to say is I'm glad there's people in society who do that, and not me.
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>>8455472
Point is if you hate traditional school try a trade out, they usually pay well and you get to be outside.

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Which world/book is better?
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>fantasy
Both are garbage.
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They are both far more derivative and far less innovative than either of their fan bases would like to admit
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>>8455436
Eddison was better.

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Anon this is stupid exercise at the very least. I've read all Dante, all Plato in greek (I'm italian and I've had classical studies), I do enjoy philosophy, theatrical pieces, law books (I'm a lawyer myself) biographies, do you think I meant to compare Asoiaf to them, or to Joyce - not a big fan of his personally, even of course I've seen what there was to see about him in Dublin and Trieste - Shakespeare or Petrarca?! OF COURSE, as ANYONE would grasp, I was speaking of 'commercial' books, fantasy, kinda fantasy or kinda-historical (not historical...
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What video is this from?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KT7HkqrqvC4 the best one, of course.
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Please, friends, share your favorite moments!

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Explain what makes a book good.

Genre fiction is derided as lowbrow trash, and works like Ulysses or Gravity's Rainbow are held in high regard. Why? If you have to defend that difference, what exactly is it that makes that writing special? I've only heard people dismiss it as snobbery and personal preference and I want to know what the truth of the matter is.
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>>8455388
P R O S E
R
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S
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>>8455402
What does that mean to you?
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good prose style
thematic depth
literary innovation that isn't overly gimmicky
non-reliance on tropes
great characterization

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Has anyone here actually read anything by Julius Evola and would like to discuss it?
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Interested in getting into his works. Where do I start?
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>>8455379
This statue is so ugly lel
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>>8455392
ride the tiger is pretty good
if you're into esotericism he has an awesome book about alchemy too

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How am I supposed to flip these pages without losing my mind?
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>not flipping pages from the corner

What kind of ass-backwards culture are you from, lad?
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>>8455360
Thats why its always good to have a kindle. If theres a book that comes in an absolutely shite edition its better to have it digitally.
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>>8455368

>the corners aren't completely fucked

did you look at this nonsense?

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Favorite essays, favorite essayists?

Is the essay dead? Did the op-ed kill it?
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Montaigne
Barfield
Emerson
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>>8455357
sir thomas browne is good
burton too
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What do you like about the essayists you mentioned?

Or are you just regurgitating a reading list for a course you took once?

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I want to get into poetry, are there any charts? I checked the wiki and only found this shitty picture.
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>>8455303
Bloom's book on poetry is pretty decent - I think I picked up a copy used for like $1 too. It's called "The Best Poems of the English Language."
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>>8455303
>essential poetry
>no Neruda
>no Huidobro
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Good Lord, that's a shit chart


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