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Lit, I have a problem. I can only read a few pages at a time without getting tired. I've read about 8 books this year so far, but I still don't feel that I'm that much better of a reader than I was when I started off this year. I think that I'm a little better, I've tackled a few classics and I definitely have more confidence as a reader. I still that get feeling when I'm looking at a page though, sometimes I get distracted and I feel like I can't even finish a single sentence anymore, and no matter how hard I push myself I realize that I'm...
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Reading is a exercise. Your exercising your brain and your eyes. So to do this well I just do a few preliminary things like I would with all exercises. I don't eat (too heavily) before I read. Eating too much leads to digestion distraction, using the bathroom, sugar imbalance etc. I do my reading away from outside distraction, this means loud music, away from my dog, etc. When I read it's almost always like meditation, if you lose focus just bring your brain back to where you were. Focus on the inner voice...
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>>8449966
You should probably read things you enjoy and want to read, rather than things that will supposedly impress a bunch of hipsters on a cantonese life drawing post exchange.
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>>8450000
I do choose stuff I want to read. If I was trying to impress people I'd read Moby Dick and Gravity's Rainbow, but I'm not. I've also really enjoyed every book I've read this year, it's just difficult is all. I want more than anything than to find an engrossing book that I find meaningful.

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Why do certain people kowtow before ideologies that are antithetical to the values they profess? Are there any books that investigate this phenomenon?

I think of it as 'Ideological Stockholm Syndrome', but usually get accused of armchair psychology/etc when I bring it up.
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>>8449963
Because ideologies involve paradoxes, and you may not have considered all of them. Feminism, for instance, is supposed to involve personal freedom and autonomy for women over their own bodies. It may seem contradictory to then argue that women should be allowed to wear something we associate with oppression, but it doesn't take much reflection to realize that forcing a modest woman to wear a bikini "for their own good" is hardly giving them freedom, any more than forcing a nudist to cover up is.
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>>8449963

Everyone loves their enemies. Conservative militia groups are based on communist and terrorist cell structures, and don't get me started on the migration of torture techniques.
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>>8450108

>forcing a modest woman to wear a bikini "for their own good" is hardly giving them freedom

This doesn't happen.

Someone can choose not to wear a bikini without consequences.

It obviously doesn't go both ways.

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What the actual FUCK was hemingway smoking when he wrote the scenes with catherine and frederic in them?

>"do you love me darling?"
>"yes"
>"no
>"I do"
>"isn't wine a grand thing?"
>"don't say that darling"
>"you're a lovely girl"
>"I...
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>>8449927
hemmingway*
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>>8449927
catherine was so next lvl, shame no girl like that can exists irl
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>>8449952
She was literally retarded

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ITT: God tier openings to any book/story

>I do not recall distinctly when it began, but it was months ago. The general tension was
horrible. To a season of political and social upheaval was added a strange and brooding
apprehension of hideous physical danger; a danger widespread and all-embracing, such a
danger as may be imagined only in the most terrible phantasms of the night. I recall that
the people went about with pale and worried faces, and whispered warnings and
prophecies which no one dared consciously repeat or acknowledge...
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I said to myself "How is this shit god tier? This reads like Lovecraft." Then I looked it up because sometimes these hunches or predictions of mine turn out to be embarrassingly untrue, and what do you know: it is Lovecraft and it is, if not shit, far from god tier. Ha! I have read a total of one story by HPL in my life, plus a few quotations here and there (mostly here) and already I can divine his work. And there's noone to boast this great achievement to except you, OP, who will pour your frustrated...
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>"From a little after two oclock until almost sundown of the long still hot weary dead September afternoon they sat in what Miss Coldfield still called the office because her father had called it that — a dim hot airless room with the blinds all closed and fastened for forty-three summers because when she was a girl someone had believed that light and moving air carried heat and that dark was always cooler, and which (as the sun shone fuller and fuller on that side of the house) became latticed with yellow slashes full of dust motes which Quentin...
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Facundo's terrible shadow! I shall evoque you, so that, shaking off the bloodied dust that covers your ashes, you rise again to reveal us the secret life and internal convulsions that tear apart a noble people. You posses the secret: reveal it to us!

It's better in spanish.

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So what does /lit/ think of R. Scott Bakkers Second Apocalypse series?

I'm currently reading the sicth book The Great Ordeal and I have to say I'm hooked. So many revelations happening and things unravelling. Sometimes his style of writing is too confusing, I have to read it several times and still don't understand.

But overall a very enjoyable series of books.
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It's laughable dogshit for teenagers.
If anyone doesn't believe me, Google a few quotes.
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>>8449870
Pretty bad, even for genre fiction.

Barely above Sanderson tier.
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Well maybe I'm simple then, but I found it unique with so much philosophy twisted in it.

If you like fantasy at least give it a try.

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content creators thread

like only post if you actively right stuff and it doesn't matter what it is, whether it's fanfiction or a novel you're working on. Hell even tabletop GM's can give it a go sharing what they're doing preparing for their games, just only post if you actually write things.

Me I used to write a lot of really great short stories during my high school years and I've officially been NEET 3 years now but I have high hopes for a career in writing. I want to write fiction andI'm working on a series of fantasy/gothic mystery novels.

Basically I got this really good idea for the ending of book 1 where it's going to end on a 'did he make it out alive' question mark - it'll end with the line "and the elderly man's body was lost to the ocean forever,,, Or was it?". And the next books are going to be seemingly separate stories sharing random elements which will eventually be expanded upon.
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http://pastebin.com/AsQTMqkq
Rate, cranked it out in an evening, would rather be doing other things but hey.
>>8449838
>Or was it?
I would avoid this line like the plague if I were you, but I'm not, so I don't have any idea what you're going for.
Or do I?
No, not really.
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>>8449838
>like only post if you actively right stuff and it doesn't matter what it is

Finally someone who understands. My friends claim they're sick of me fixing their shit, but I know I'm not the bad guy here.
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I am responsible for a number of the copypastas here, so I consider myself a content creator.

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Why does no one write plays in poetic verse anymore? It's all boring realism nowadays. I want to see some modern movies in iambic pentameter, with some creative, heightened language.
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I think it'd probably be seen as pseud or cocky.
Get famous for a good philosophical novel then do it.
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Charles III is in iambic pentameter.
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>Shakespeare's Macbeth
Blow, wind!
Come, wrack!
At least we'll die with harness on our back.

>No Fear Shakespeare Macbeth
Blow wind!
Come ruin!
At least we're die with our armor on.


What went wrong?

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Can you help me complete the table or suggest replacements for the already chosen books?
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>>8449770
Interesting enough. I'll bump.
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>>8450819
yea seems interesting have another bump

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How old is Penelope, seeing that her husband has been away for 20 years and that she is still considered fine as fuck? Was she a child-bride?

Why doesn't Penelope just tell her suitors to leave?

Why does Penelope, understanding that Odysseus is near, decide to suddenly hold a contest with herself as the prize?
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Was she a child-bride?
Probably. Hesiod recommends us to marry a 15 year old girl when we arrive to our success at 30.
>Why doesn't Penelope just tell her suitors to leave?
Women's opinions ain't shit. Ulysses' is a headless home, its owner being supposedly died and his son being too young to take power over it.
>Why does Penelope, understanding that Odysseus is near, decide to suddenly hold a contest with herself as the prize?
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Who is this Grace of Cytherea?
1. It doesn't matter. They all have divine blood and these are days of old.
2. Because they're the ones with the weapons on the island.
3. >woman
Just try working out how old Achilles and Paris must be, seeing as Achilles was born of the marriage the golden apple was thrown at. Even factoring in the ten years after Helen's abduction before the war proper started. It's a mess.
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>>8449744
>Why does Penelope, understanding that Odysseus is near, decide to suddenly hold a contest with herself as the prize?
No suitor was able to win the contest and she knew it.

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Why was this novel so quickly dismissed? Is there ever going to be a reappraisal?

It's better (and funnier) than the overrated Mason & Dixon, and the tone is much closer to what I loved about Pynchon's writing from V. to Gravity's Rainbow. Also it seems (at times) like one of the first large-scale critiques of 21st Century America.

I have no expectation of it being as brilliant as GR, but it has to be one of the the most overlooked novels of the past 10 years...
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>>8449741
>Why was this novel so quickly dismissed?
overextension
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>>8449813
On professional reviewers, probably (my hunch is that was kind of a private joke...) but for casual readers (and by "casual" I basically mean average Pynchon readers, so...) it's incredibly enjoyable.
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>>8449741
Everything that isn't GR is quickly dismissed because Pynchon doesn't do exactly what people expect, and, let's face it, most critics of Pynchon don't know how to think about him.

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>Religion has invisible purposes beyond what the literal-minded scientistic-scientifiers identify—one of which is to protect us from scientism, that is, them.
Is he right?
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>>8449732
you see the problem of the positivist, or even the rationalist in science,:
doubt is permitted only when the doubt is judged acceptable by the scientist [what is acceptable is what makes you have faith in what the scientist claims]:

-if you doubt too little from the statements of people talking to you, the scientist will call you a religious, a sheep, a guy spending his time on metaphysical theses which are disconnected form the reality [the reality that the scientist posits]
-if you doubt too much from the statements of the scientist, the scientist will wave then the card of nominalism, anti-realism, relativism/nihilism/solipsism and terrorize you, since the scientists have no other means, than terrorism, to validate their position

the fact that you have faith in mathematical models to tell you about ''the world'' (which is an inductive concept, like all concepts) is already a philosophical stance. but scientists cannot justify this stance and they become very upset as soon as they are recalled that they fail at justifying their claims that their inductions and deductions are more than conventions inside some formal language.
So they even say explicitly that they are not paid to justify their faith and that this justification does not matter anyway (because they choose to claim that ''science works, look it gives us computers and cars :DDDD'' which is nothing but feeding our hedonism and the statement itself remains very dubious)
religion is a coping mechanism once you face your failure of your life, just like other contrived fantasizes, your faith in the scientific method included.


Religions are meant to leave material-bodily hedonism, travels, concerts, foods, sex and so on, for a spiritual hedonism, through prayers for theists and mediation for atheists.
Plenty of material hedonist love to think of themselves as less hedonistic than they are, since it improves their hedonism in thinking that they are not animals...most people who claim to be religious are not all, it is just the way they are.
In buddhism, you even leave this spiritual hedonism, after you have gained it, which is called jhanas, since you understand that this bliss from prayers, which is just a great, but not perfect concentration-stilness, are not personal nor permanent and that you are still prone to avidity and aversion.
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>>8449732
I'm convinced that most traditions evolved from psychological necessity, and often times the people who attempt to get rid of them in the name of progress just end up making things worse.
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>Nassim Nicholas Taleb is a Greek Orthodox Christian from Lebanon; the Levant. In the course of his book Antifragile, he promotes skepticism, theism, tradition, the writings of the stoics and seeks to restrict the claims of theory and "naïve rationalism."

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Did anyone here "grow out of philosophy"?

I mean philosophy in the sense that you seek some permanent knowledge/intellectual satisfaction/confidence by reading and contemplating.

Because it all seems like an endless pit and there's always more stuff to read and contemplate. And it almost certainly doesn't make you happier/confident or more "useful" to society.
(And that's the gist, I guess. Happiness and "usefulness to society" being some fundamental axioms for me.)

In other words, I believed in the power of...
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Sounds like you just aren't into philosophy, my man.

What you're saying isn't accurate or even very intelligent.
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>>8449691
>turns into absolute simpleton
>wants us to award him
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>>8449691
Sorta, but in a different way, and only after starting from Plato and following the historical Western philosophy path all the way to 20th century and forming a very rigorous and comprehensive Weltanschuung

Wittgenstein made me realize that unless we stick to an extremely rigorous language and assume as few axioms as possible in philosophy, we're essentially doing baseless conjecturing. I found myself reading the likes of Heidegger, Sartre and Foucault with extreme scepticism and distrust as a result. My...
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Will Scotland ever give birth to another Jimmy J?
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It's not even funny though...
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Is there any ending in literature more poignant than Molly McBloom's soliloquy?
>Ah wiz a floor a thuh moun'inz aye whin ah pit thuh rose in ma hair lit thuh andaloosian gurls ustae uhr wull ah wear a rid aye n how he pull't me unner thuh moorush wull n ah thought tae masell wull uhs wull hum as uhnnothuhr n then ah askit uhm wuh mah eyes tae ask uhgin aye n ehn he askt me wooda aye tae say aye mah moun'in flowr n fuhrst ah poot mah arrums roon uhm aye n drew uhm doon tae me soes he kid feel mah tits aw perfoom n 'aht aye n...
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Yeats was pretty good 2bh

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Does Christianity have the deepest lore when it comes to fantasy world building?
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No, that's Judaism, dumb goyposter
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honestly of all the religions the abrahamic ones are the most boring. compared to hindu or greek gods it's pretty weak
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Judaism easily, easily takes the cake. The entire Tanakh, all of the Midrashim and Oral Torah, traditions and traditional stories, commentaries, and the plethora of interpretations of each. Christianity is a wannabe cuck religion that is just "muh I'm not Le Jewish because they probably poison our wells and have horns" which is ironically just nu-Judaism

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How much IQ do you need to reach the genius writer level?
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>>8449495
I recall reading that most great writers aren't genius-level smart, just above average. Pynchon supposedly has a 190 and you can definitely tell he is more intelligent than most writers.
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>>8449495
>How much IQ
more than you
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>>8449506
I never really got this statement. Is it because he references scientific things? Is it the maximalist style that seems to mirror fast thought? To me, the genius of literature is shown more in the depth of thought within the book itself. Not to say that Pynchon isn't a deep thinker, especially in Gravity's Rainbow, but I'm not sure how his style is reflective of a special superhuman intelligence unknown to other writers.

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Are there any books/philosophers that predicted the millennial phenomenon?
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>>8449477
Society of the Spectacle
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>>8449477
>the millennial phenomenon
Go back to facebook and post about how the millennials are all so lazy and attached to their gameboys
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>>8449481
Actually, I am only a vidya and anime addict.

MAGA

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hey /lit/.
should i major in literature? what are the pros and cons? can anybody give me advice based on experience?
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>>8449473
do you want to see your wife be blacked infront of your eyes? Take a humanities class

Want to be self-fulfilled, succesful, confident and flourishing? Take a STEm
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>>8449473
why can't you dumb fucks ever just double major? Humanities majors are ridiculously easy compared to most other STEM majors. At least do something like Econ and English, if you're insistent on majoring in humanities. Seriously, just majoring and focusing only in English really is not making the most of your tuition.
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>>8449473
I majored in EECS and I usually just mess with literature and philosophy on the side. I'd recommend a similar path honestly.

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Isn't Augustine, ultimately, Nietzsche's natural foil? Particularly when you take the Confessions into account. Here is a man that fully embraced what you might call his Dionysian elements, his inner strength and will... and he tossed it all away, and became perhaps the purest example of Christian slave morality. And it made him happy.

To top it off, he was a particular favorite of Schopenhauer, who of course was a huge part of Nietzsche's development as a philosopher. And I believe at one point Nietzsche even comments disparagingly about him in a letter.

And...
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>>8449469
You write an interesting post and i am looking forward to some hopefully good discussion here but am curious if you really know what Christian slave morality is.
>and he tossed it all away, and became perhaps the purest example of Christian slave morality

Could you elaborate on this and explain it in more detail what the Christian slave morality is and how you see that in Augustine?
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>>8449469
Fuck off you "redpilled" internet """"philosopher"""""
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Stop reading Nietzsche as a meme, and start with the Greeks next time genius.

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where do I start with him /lit/? What are his best books?
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>>8449449
The first two books of his Sea of Fertility saga are definitely his best works, but not a particularly good place to start.

I'd recommend Temple of the Golden Pavilion as a start, then Confessions of a Mask. The Sailor Who Fell From Grace with the Sea is one of his more known books, but not really one of his best. Read it if you like everything else.

Patriotism is pretty good too, and can be easily read in one sitting.

If you're really into the his homo aspects, read Forbidden Colors.
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>>8449453
>Sea of Fertility saga
why do you say this is isn't the best place to start anon?
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Sailor who fell from Grace with the Sea. The John Nathan translation.

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>From late October 1870, Rimbaud's behaviour became openly provocative; he drank alcohol, spoke rudely, composed scatological poems, stole books from local shops, and abandoned his characteristically neat appearance by allowing his hair to grow long. On 13 and 15 May 1871, he wrote letters (the lettres du voyant), to Izambard and to Demeny respectively, about his method for attaining poetical transcendence or visionary power through a "long, intimidating, immense and rational derangement of all the senses. The sufferings are enormous, but one...
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Sounds like your average college student desu
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>>8449404
Yeah, I know lots of college students whose goal in life is to attain poetical transcendence or visionary power.
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>>8449348
That he was ready to stop being pounded by Verlaine.

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>Choose a life. Choose a job. Choose a career. Choose a family. Choose a fucking big television. Choose washing machines, cars, compact disc players and electrical tin openers... Choose DSY and wondering who the fuck you are on a Sunday morning. Choose sitting on that couch watching mind-numbing, spirit crushing game shows, stucking junk food into your mouth. Choose rotting away in the end of it all, pishing your last in a miserable home, nothing more than an embarrassment to the selfish, fucked up brats you spawned to replace yourself, choose your future....
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>>8449326
Why'd Joyce do so much heroin?
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>>8449326
Is this a "meme"?
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>>8449338
What makes you say that?

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Is Nietzsche the original meme/
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>>8449274
No, that would be free will
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>>8449274
language is the original meme

if you read nietzsche you would know that
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>>8449274
Nietzsche is very much not a meme in terms of his work and its impact though, he basically started the contemporary era of philosophy by burying the rest of philosophy under a heap of his own shit. But he was never too stuffy or serious when doing this, he just casually pauses to take a shit on it once in awhile until you've gone through all of his works and notice that there is now a massive mountain of shit laying atop the once beautiful edifice of philosophy which prevents us from ever finding it as beautiful...
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Looking for more lovecraftian style fantasy/ horror that is actually better than lovecraft

Someone here recommended pic related and I've loved everything about it. Looking for more

Someone mentioned the works of Lord dunsany, is it any good?
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Read the Zothique series by Clark Ashton Smith. More fantastical than Lovecraft (takes place in a "Dying earth" sort of scenario) but similar themes. Insane archaic vocabulary and moody stories about necromancers, mad alchemists, cult-leading ancient gods etc.

I think he also wrote some Lovecrftian mythos as well. Definitely look him up.
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xenomorph fanfiction
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>>8449238
Thanks, will check him out

>>8449244
>fan fiction

No thanks.

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There are insects walking inside my books and I don't even know what they are, so I can't take the appropriate measures.

I don't think it's silverfish, because they're really tiny (pic related), and they also don't seem to be destroying the books like silverfish would. Still, I'm very worried. Please, help me identify it if you can.
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A closeup.
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what book are you reading?
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Put it under your microscope.

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Name another author who synthesizes epics like Moby Dick, The Bible, and Paradise Lost so well.
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>>8449046

You mean synthesize Faulkner and Faulkner and cowboys?
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>>8449056
The Faulkner similar stops at the prose. Faulkner writes character-driven narratives, McCarthy's novels are theme-driven and almost always notably distant from the characters.

There isn't a single instance of empathetic psychological insight in BM and that's what fuels Faulkner's work
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>>8449067

I was memeing friend.

Is dilapidated the most pedestrian word you can think of? I hate reading this shitty word in some amateur writer's shitty practice writing.

What words do you think are cheap and lame?
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as if
seemed
appeared to be
any quotation-related word that is not "said"

cut the flab for God's sake
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>>8448990
A friend of mine used "dilapidated" in a sentence and had a look of accomplishment on his face. He subsequently gave us the definition without any of us asking
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I use nefarious occasionally -- enjoy the way it sounds

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Thoughts on this series?
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>>8448976

Great when I was in 1st through 3rd grade. Not enjoyable for adults.

That said it's a classic series imo
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>>8448976
I liked the one about Arabs the most.

Chair one sucked.

Laughed when the Donkey and Monkey killed everyone with Islam.

Pretty good to read as a kid or adult for fun.
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magician's nephew is best fosho

but it's kinda just good when you're a kid. enjoyable but good god Lewis basically lived for allegory i guess

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Hey /lit/, ?
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Hello Anon .
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what?
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Sup playa

who else /absolutegenius/ here? Do you enjoy your genius status? Are you misunderstood? Personally, I find it difficult to always have to dumb myself down for all the idiots around me
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>>8448926
I too, am aware of this feeling.
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>itt
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>>8448934
Seriously. Why do you absolute fucking NONENTITES have to smugly respond to easy fucking BAIT whilst thinking you're superior to those with a merely deluded sense of superioirty? You aren't clever, this attempt to claim that you're beyond posturing whilst posturing against another form of posturing is sad and empty.

What you fail to realise is that episodes such as the one you have posted feed into this modern mediocre intellectual egalitarianism. When you are so smug that you absolutely HAVE...
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What are you writing /lit/ ? If you are not currently doing it, explain yourself, do you have plants to do it in the near future? Why not?
Have you being entertaining some particularly interesting ideas? Summarize the plot (or the subjects you explore)
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In a world empty of violence a young boy becomes a man. He gets red pilled and based, travels away from home and joins an underground warrior society. Years pass and after many struggles he becomes a powerful warrior in a world where bloodshed and death is the biggest taboo, everyone is a pacified pussy. Then foreign monsters invade.
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As a joke, our main character sets up a detective agency website, only to have a rich bimbo ask him to go around solving mystery; so him, being a sexless neet idiot, agrees to it, only to end up discovering literally everything he knows is a lie, and for some reason this is supposed to be a very important, life-or-death deal--but in his heart of hearts he remains unshaken, for the only thing he has ever wanted was to watch some anime, and doesn't really give a hoot if the whole world ends up burning down.
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>>8448858
I already wrote it. Just need to edit the fucker.

And no, I'm not telling you what it's about because my "plants" don't involve giving my ideas away to random fags.


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