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i just finished Plataform,

is houellebecq edgy?
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No he's great.
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>>8446897
No, you are.
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>>8446897

You got to be a vainilla to say he is edgy, or over the top. Violence and sex in real life can be even more excessive

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Rimbaud, Verlaine, Jarry, Strindberg, Hemingway, Poe, etc. All of these authors found inspiration from the green fairy.

The literary questions is: "How did this alcoholic beverage contribute or hinder these writers, and why did they make such a big deal about referencing them throughout their works and their lives?"
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They liked the way it tasted? It's just a spiced liquor mixed with cold water and sugar that happened to be trendy when these people were writing.
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It has a /lit/ a e s t h e t i c

just like being an intellectual and smoking at cafés

also bonus for Strindberg being mentioned at this board for fucking once
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>>8447360
I'd subscribe to this. Absinthe has however been encased in so much myth it's hardly cool anymore.

Smoking I think will stay "cool" for quite some more time. I think wine and whiskey has taken over as "aesthetic" drinks now.

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what is the plebest possible literary conversation, arguing over whether dune or lotr is better or arguing over whether 1984 or brave new world is a more accurate dystopia? Or is there one even worse than those?
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Please make a thread that isn't retarded.
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>>8446860
This is a legitimate discussion of a topic related to literature. Go post this in the 10,000

>dfw no IJ

threads
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>>8446856
>he just called genre fiction chats literary conversation

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what is his name?
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L O V E C R A F T
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H. P. Lovecraft.
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HP Every Text a Crude Draft Lovecraft

Can someone explain this shit to me? The very idea of blocking off a whole avenue of analysis and critique for seemingly no reason irks me. Is there any reason someone would willingly not take such a critical fact into account as the individual who wrote the fucking book?
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Psychological considerations toward motivations are still relevant.

Motivations actual impact union the work of art in itself are totally unrelated.

The schism with dota is on that level.
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>>8446739
Union=upon***
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>>8446728
the idea that an artistic work stands as it's own entity separate of whomever the creator was/is.

What are the most taboo, morality corrupting, transgressive books?
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my diary desu
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>>8446520
Morality corrupting? Yes. Taboo and transgressive? No.

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How does one cope with living in a post-truth society? When all your convictions are under a constant stream of reflection and reassessment, how do you find a place for yourself?

This has been bothering me increasingly the more I study philosophy and humanities in general. I have alternately held extreme left-wing and right-wing views, sincerely believed in Catholicism and atheism, and moved from being predominantly heterosexual to homosexual. Wat do?
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>>8446419
Grow some fucking balls and stop with your philosophy of the month bullshit.
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>>8446419
I think you might be retarded bro
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gaaaaaay

How many books do you read a year?
Now multiply that by how many more years you'll live.
That's how many books you have left to read.

Choose wisely, anons. Chances are it's a smaller amount than you expect.
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>tfw you will never read every good book

SHIT SHIT SHIT
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I have a problem of speeding through a book worrying about the gap between my knowledge and the rest of /lit/ and all my friends. I am worried I'll not read what I want to in time, waste time, and miss really good stuff. And that detracts.
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Why would you worry about reading things "before you die"?
That would assume that you will have consciousness after death and the ability to regret something. It's a very strange belief when you think about it. Why would you strive to accomplish things before death as if you'll get some kind of recompensation?

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How to get into Hegel?
What should I read of him and, maybe most importantly, what should I read before reading into his work?
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>>8446406

You don't. Go in the right direction instead. The true heir to Kant.
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If you've read the Greeks, Kant, Descartes, Hume, and all that good stuff, I'd say you're good to go. Start with the easier stuff (theological writings is actually the easiest and in fact gives an overview, philosophy of history).

After those 2, go to Phenomenology. It gives you a purely negative view on his dialectical idealism. Then read Philosophy of Right.

Finally, read the magnum opus Science of Logic, his most important work. Take your time.
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>>8446406
just read the science of logic for an easy introduction, that's where most people start

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Where do I start with Labour Studies?

I'm looking to read anything from 'first year textbooks', to the classics in the field, to obscure highly theoretical philosophy, ethnologies, academic papers and novels. I kind of want to get a taste for all of it to see if i'd be interested in studying it at school.

thanks for any help!

p.s. I have started with Marx, but I understand current ideas in the field may have completely dropped some of his stuff like labour/surplus theory of value, would any of you know what these are being replaced with?

p.p.s....
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Yes! Marx's labour theory of value is being replaced (by Neo-Marxians and Post-Keynesians) with very different things. Look up those 2 movements.

They adopt techniques of neo-classical economics like game theory, up the mathematics level on Marx, drop labour theory of value.

They added this to it instead https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_surplus

IMO Post-Keynesianism is really interesting. Look up Steve Keen and Hyman Minsky.
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((btw i should add I'm not really interested in so called bourgeois labour theories or economics. I've gone through enough of that already))
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>>8446420
They're not bourgeois, Neo-Marxians have been influential in third world revolutions.

>People read Sartre

There are about a 100 reasons to think Sartre is a complete moron, his philosophy alone, not even referencing his being a tankie and a pedo, that I would argue it's an indisputable fact.

>Misunderstand Heidegger and Kierkegaard
>"existence precedes essence"
>Kill off existentialism for good so edgy teens think it's about le meaning of life is subjective lol
>stupid ass free will arguments
>just copy everything else that he could barely understand without adding anything
>Get BTFO'd by Heidegger
>Despite pretending to read Hegel his philosophy is entirely ahistorical
>Have the gaul to tell Camus that he doesn't understand Kierkegaard (correctly, but whatever)

Normies who like him really fucking annoy me
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>>8446348

You'd think he and Simone abusing students together might have been enough to put the normie pseuds off of him, but lo and behold...
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>>8446348
>>Have the gaul
clever
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>>8446348
I kinda agree, I don't see what's so good about Sartre and why he's mentioned so often. It was probably his implication in politics plus theater.

I read How I Learned to Snap a few years back and enjoyed it immensely. I haven't had much luck finding similar books though, so I'm wondering if any of you have read anything like it.
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>>8446257
Pretty gay desu senpai
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Mishima wrote a fair amount of gay stuff. This one is pretty autobiographical, Confessions of a Mask is the other one people usually bring up when they discuss his perspective on human sexuality.
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Genet

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What do you pretentious faggots think of Turgenev?
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>>8446178
I've only read Fathers and Sons. I enjoyed it.
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>>8446245
This.
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I like him a lot. In some ways he's a lot dumber than Dostojevski or Tolstoy but he's a great storyteller anyway. Lots of dusty roads, old villas and unrequited loves instead of spiritual torment.

My favourite is probably Home of the Gentry.

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Who here /notlitlifestyle/?

>always wanted to live as an artist
>on a fencing team, win multiple literature competitions, know 3 languages, play guitar and trombone, in theatre, art competitions
>get to college
>forced to major in something not lit because of the economy
>now a lame economist who reads and plays music in his free time while sometimes fencing

Just end it
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>>8446162
Take the redpill lifestyle

>neet
>complain about women and nonwhites all day online
>have multiple waifus
>watch anime
>decry degeneracy
>????
>PROFIT
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>>8446162

>forced

By whom?
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>>8446177
There's no jobs within lit, and art school is too expensive.

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>Can spell Nietzsche without looking it up.
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>>8446133
>finally reached a staged where I realized that I don't need to ever read women or nonwhites again
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>>8446158
>inb4 muh middlemarch
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>>8446169
Actually that's the only female book you need. And Invisible Man for nonwhites. I read both, and they're brilliant.

Now I never have to return

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Which COUNTRY has produced the greatest literature?

Have your say as to which nation has produced the greatest literature throughout time, whether it be Rome and Greece with the old classics or Britain with Shakespeare and the Victorian writers.
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>country
>nation
Which one is it, now?
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>>8446077
Britain (I include Ireland)
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What's the difference?

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The way I like to make my chicken breasts is quite simple. There is the normal way, and, my friends, the cultured way. Shakespeare once said, "you are what you eat." And I'm not a chicken breast. So I have to make sure that I'm eating something far more masculine. What I do is this. I freeve the chicken breast until it is solid, and then I drink a few cups of water. Then I pee all over the breast: it is actually sterile, and warms the outside while giving the center a rock hard core. The outside represents the male ego, steamy and sterile, sterilized by an...
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I wish someone had just told me the truth right up front, as soon as I was old enough to understand it. I wish someone had just said: “Here’s the deal, Wade. You’re something called a ‘human being.’ That’s a really smart kind of animal. Like every other animal on this planet, we’re descended from a single-celled organism that lived millions of years ago. This happened by a process called evolution, and you’ll learn more about it But trust me, that’s really how we all got here. There’s proof of it everywhere, buried in the rocks. That story you heard? About...
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IJ is even more edgy than I remember.
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>>8446807

This is actually from one of the Angel chapters in Women and Men

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why is this generation(millennials) so spoiled?
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They aren't. Baby boomers and Gen Xers are the ones who were spoiled, and are the ones who will be remembered as the ones who destroyed Western civilization.
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>>8445846

>spoiled
>can't get a job because theor parents voted to outsource all labor to Pooinlooia etc.

Boomers for sure. The only war they faced was the Vietnam but they got all the economic benefit from young men dying throughout Europe in WWI and WWII. All the WWIers got was a decade of decadence and another of total depression. WWIIers got to see their kids grow up listening to Rock and Roll getting a shit load of economic parity just by going...
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>>8445860

If Gen X fucked shit up, Gens Y & Z aren't exactly doing much to fix it. If anything, they're revelling in it.

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wot is da greatest booke of da 21st centry so fer eh?
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The Art of the Deal.
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>>8445825
Infinite Jest by Thomas Pynchon.
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>>8445825
see >>8445830

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Why is norwegian literature, music and film so bad?
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>>8445780

No idea but Norwegians girls are God Tier desu.

Then again I like any girl who speaks one of those rough, Germanic languages. German girls are hot as fuck.
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>>8445788
nod really :DDDD
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>>8445780
Joyce thought Ibsen was the best playwright after Shakespeare.

He learned Norwegian and wrote fanboy letters to Ibsen.

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Hey /lit/.
I'm looking for some comfy books. What I mean by "comfy books" is the kind of books that you read when you want to relax or have a couple of nice giggles.
>Pic unrelated
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I forgot to mention, I usually read light novels (weeaboo lit) when I want to chill. So yeah, if you know any light novel or anything like that I would be thankful if you recommend me some.
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>>8445770
>weaboo lit
To think that I was just about to provide a serious answer to this.
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>>8445770

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Why has so much of 18th/19th/20th century been philosophy been devoted to refuting nihilism in some way?

What is so bad about nihilism? Why did it scare these guys so much?
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Change has an additional degree of difficulty for those who favour tradition and stagnation even in response to observable transition (slower rate of response/greater resistance to etc)?
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>>8445707
this is why conservatives are intrinsically simple, stupid people.
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>>8445720
actually, you just described liberals.

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Summa Theologiae: Complete Set (Latin-English Edition)

is this the best edition of the summa?
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>>8445687
Yes, assuming you have the ability to understand latin and have the will and prerequisites to understand Aquinas, who has a very specific language and a mindset alien to the empirical liberal modern man.
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>>8445693
what degree of latin should be known?
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>>8446266
A high one, considering it is a complicated text for anyone in their mother tounge.

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> As the riches of this world do not make me happy, so neither do its truths.


So what is his reason for living? If not living for material goods, or ideas, then what is the point?
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may as well
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>>8445626
>reason for living

spooky
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>>8445634

> may as well toil your life away endlessly attending to your biological functions for no purpose

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>> just read name of the wind and wise man's fear

his attempts at fedora-tier witty dialogue and certified virgin grade relationship advice is the cringiest shit I've read in my life

can I fucking find one fucking fantasy series that doesn't seem like it was written by a 13 year old NEET?
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Tom Holt's books under his 'KJ Parker' pseudonym.

'The Hammer' is quite good.
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*tips katana*
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The Ea Cycle, David Zindell

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What do you make of Borges?

I'm having difficulties trying to understand what he's trying to say.

I'm going to read of his stories to judge well, but generally speaking, what do you think of him?
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>>8445564
>reading non-whites
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>>8445605
>Welsh, Portuguese, English
>nonwhite
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Sometimes I think OP's quest on 4chan is always irrelevant to what is actually addressed in the thread.
All I wanted was different opinions concerning this guy's literary work.

Are there any novels about being an absolute loser? I don't mean like the novel the loser, where the guy went to college and then just decided that he could never be anything. I mean like, someone on the level of a 4chan poster, a normy reeeeee poster.
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Notes from the Underground, though the Underground Man's intellectual capacity is far above 92% of the people on 4chan.

Nausea, too. The protagonist is basically a NEET wandering the city, trying in-between soul-searching to write his book.

two of my favourite books too desu senpai
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>>8445555
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>>8445831
This is shit and not what you're looking for.

Closest I can think of right now are Temple of the Golden Pavilion and maybe Woyzeck (doesn't really fit the frogposter but he's definitely a loser).

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What are the greatest single questions asked by philosophers?

something like "Why is there something rather than nothing?"
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What is love?
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>>8445559
for you
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>>8445560
wtf i hate /lit/ now

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Are there any authors who, before they died, knew for a fact they had written a masterpiece? Writers totally cognizant of the magnitude of their work and completely self-fulfilled because of it? (Whether the world liked it at the time or not.)

I feel like we hear often about authors who bash their early work when they get old. I want to know about the ones who were 100% confident.
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>>8445500
I imagine Schopenhauer knew his 'On Women' was the pinnacle of human-philosophical thought
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>>8445500
My diary (not honest).
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Obviously not life is about always being hungry. The best Authors live alone, write alone and win the Pulitzer prize alone

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Okay /lit/ let's settle this once and for all. Is the bible real or fake?
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They're real, and I own a copy myself. Have you never seen one in a store?
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>>8445422
A lot of people say claim it isn't real though
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>>8445435
You might be on to something here.


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