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I'm just three pages in and I don't understand almost anything they're talking about. Do I read the appendices and the "terminology of the imperium" first or constantly check the glossary throughout the book?
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>>8444249
Pretty sure you're supposed to get the basic meanings through context. I don't recall having to go to the glossary much when I read it at the age of about 13
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>>8444249
Herbert is just sort of setting the stage with the made up words. Don't worry about it too much. You just have to power through the first bits, but then it will get good and you will be able to follow what is going on much more easily.
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>>8444249
Is English not your first language? I listened to it as an audiobook and had zero problems in understanding it.

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Has anyone in human history been more essentially right than this sad fuck?
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>>8444090
Yes. Self help is not philosophy.
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neecheeee
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witty

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How do I understand Robert Musil? His concepts are so out there I find it hard to understand them.
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be smarter lmao
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>>8444049

Thanks m8!
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>>8444046
which concepts?

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Okay so my friend read a book in jail that he doesn't remember the name of and I'm hoping /lit/ can help me find it. Here are all the details I have. The plot points are very rough and seem to change every time he tells me about it. He said he read it in two days and that it's a "bomb ass book".

-It's about 400 pages
-It's about a guy who hacks into some federal (CIA/FBI) computer and launches nukes all over the fucking place. America, Canada, overseas, etc.
-There might be multiple characters in the book that launch nukes. According...
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Goethe's Faust
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>>8444048

Was thinking the same. That must be it.
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>>8444048
>>8444065
Pretty sure it was Marlowe's.

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What's the book that best replicates the feeling of a dreamstate during a long and peaceful sleep? Just had a wonderful sleep last night and want to experience the feeling in waking life.
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infinite jest
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>>8443944

This is the premise of Finnegans Wake; the 'night' to Ulysses' 'day', as it were.
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>>8443959

I won't understand a lick of it though, whereas my dreams last night had clear narratives.

Any other suggestions?

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Is there knowledge that should better be kept hidden?
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>>8443905

Most self-knowledge tbqh
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>>8443905
That inner-self is a lie
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>>8443911

Exaggeration. It's not fixed. Finding it confers no absolute imprimatur. It definitely exists.

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What is the best translation or copy of The Epic of Gilgamesh to date?
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Thanks for asking me personally. The best translation is Kovacs.
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>>8443896
Why would you date a translation
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>>8443916
chasing after something younger no doubt

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Are there any books that chronicle the relationship between Alexander the Great and Hephaestion?
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>>8443854
My question is there any gay erotica involving the two?
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Oliver Stone
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Mary Renault
- Fire from Heaven
-The Persian Boy

How do I start with DFW? I bought this, but I don't really like it. Should I just jump into Infinite Jest?
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>Should I just jump into Infinite Jest?
Yeah. It's not difficult, just long. I started with Broom of the System and regretted it because that book fucking sucks.
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Start with Infinite Jesticular Cancer
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read little expressionless animals, my appearance, and here and there, then e unibus pluram, then tornadoes and tennis, then infinite jest.

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post your goodreads and discuss
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>>8443789
Reading I've done thus far this year

The Land Across by Gene Wolfe
The End of the Affair by Graham Greene
The Weird of the White Wolf by Michael Moorcock
The Dying Earth by Jack Vance
God, Philosophy, Universities by Alasdair MacIntyre
The Word for World is Forest by Ursula K. Le Guin After
Virtue by Alasdair MacIntyre The Dispossessed by Ursula K. Le Guin
The Human Condition by Hannah Arendt
The Iron Dragon's Daughter by Michael Swanwick
The Dialectics of Secularization...
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K
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>>8443830

That would be about two books every week. I'm gonna call bullshit unless half of these are about 200-250 pg. long

What short masterpiece on the art of convincing argument and rhetoric would you recommend?
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"How to make friends and influence people" is the usual suggestion; but if someone who knows what you're doing catches wind of it they may well distance themself from you, or maybe punch you in the head.

Not too many folks who know what it's about take kindly to being "socially engineered" - step carefully.
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>>8443726
That's a tough one OP...
It's definitely not the short masterpiece that has been the foundation of Rhetoric for years: Aristotle's "Rhetorics" :^ )
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>>8443726
Euthydemus

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Is there anyone who studied at home instead of uni?

I don't get why you would take literature and history when you could just learn at your own pace; learn what you want at home.
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>>8443722
I tried, but learning at my own pace tended to be to o slow
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>>8443729
5 star post, literally Yogi Berra incarnate
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>>8443758
I like pic-a-nic baskets

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I'm going to write a book and wrap each page in wrapping paper. Every page is a gift to my readers
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Das good to know
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What if they tear the page?
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tht bby

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Are any of you not insufferable irl?
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>>8443694
probably not
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>>8443694
Yeah.
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depends on the topic and how i feel about the person i'm talking to.

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>DURING the whole of a dull, dark, and soundless day in the autumn of the year, when the clouds hung oppressively low in the heavens, I had been passing alone, on horseback, through a singularly dreary tract of country; and at length found myself, as the shades of the evening drew on, within view of the melancholy House of Usher.
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>>8443607
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See the kid.
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Swift as a spirit hastening to his task
Of glory and of good, the sun sprang forth,
Rejoicing in its splendour, and the mask
Of darkness fell from the awakened earth.

Teach me what you know about reading nonfiction so you can be the most interesting speaker at parties.

What topics did you study?
What books?
What order?
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>>8443591
>white nationalism
>race realism
>anti-feminism
>national socialism
>My Twisted World
>the Bell Curve
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>>8443591
I study astronomy and people love asking and listening about dying stars. No room for other subjects.
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>>8443591

Just did a lot of talking desu

Got a job at a club forcing me to speak to hundreds of guests every weekend, and also tried to assume more leadership roles in class projects, study groups, and whatever else in college. I also listen to a lot of podcasts.

Writers have interesting thoughts but many of them are spergs in social situations. You're better off asking questions and keeping the convo moving rather than trying to show off.

Finally, how you speak and carry yourself is 100x more important...
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So what was Plato getting at with Hippias Minor? Socrates seems to be taking the piss since Hippias is set up as a big headed sophist who gets beaten at his own game. But Socrates goes to his usual length in explaining his conclusion and his arguments honestly don't seem any worse than those in other early dialogues which are meant to be in earnest, like in Lysis where he keeps mixing up different terms and making leaps of logic e.g. that two evil people can't be friends.

I'm not sure I buy the satire interpretation becuase his genuine arguments often aren't...
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>>8443587
Maybe read some analytical philosophy instead of this cuckoldry
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>>8443587
Just recapped Hip. Min. yesterday, and this is the relevant passage from a companion to Plato I downloaded and have been glancing at after the last few dialogues I knocked out:

>The starting point is the hypothesis that all deception comes from knowledge and a capacity (or power: dunamis), for the deceiver must be capable (dunatos) of deceiving, and can be so only on the condition of having knowledge in the field in which he is to carry out his decep- tion (sophos kai dunatos, 366a; Weiss...
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>do’ evil necessarily imply that one does it? Is the knowledge that leads one to do evil genuine knowledge? As Aristotle empha- sizes, alluding explicitly to these difficulties (see Metaphysics 5.29, 1025a2–1; cf. also Nicomachean Ethics 7 3, 1145b), the demon- stration of the Hp. Mi. puts to the test a cer- tain idea of knowledge (sophia), understood as the neutral possession of several items of theoretical knowledge, which are trans- lated into technical competence and practi- cal capacities....
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I want literature and philosophy discussing freedom, what it means to be free, etc.

I feel beholden to my wages, to my boss, to my desires, to a million things, some of it my fault; maybe all of it.

Point is, I need to read about varying ideas of freedom and how one is free.

Economic perspective, political perspective, psychological perspective, etc.

Anything welcome, but some things that wouldn't be new:

Rousseau
Arendt
Sartre
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>>8443579
>how one is free

You aren't. Read Nietzsche, Marx, and Freud.
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>>8443586
Done some Nietzsche, but I should probably read Capital, and I'll give Freud a go.
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>>8443579
Buddhism, mindfulness, meditation
Siddharta - Hesse
Rumi's poetry
Myth of Sisyphus
Aurelius

I finished reading 1984 today. What I'm about to say may seem forced and contrarian to some, but that book was one hell of a meme.

It started good, but each part seemed worse than the one before. I can see some of its themes, which surely must've seemed revelational back then, persisting in our times, and maybe that's why this work gets all the appeal. But the plot was basic, the resolution was more cliche even than "It was all in his head" or "It was just a dream".

I don't know if this book would be praised as much had...
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>>8443415

Animal Farm isn't much more than a fable for kids, which can be summed up as "you know, its cool you want to break the exploitation of labor and all, but here's what has happened every time it's been tried", which is more powerful coming from someone so fond of Marxism as Orwell.

1984 has a bit more heft to it. The only problems are that it is still largely fable, and as a novel the structure is really poorly executed. also it doesn't name the jew (I'm kidding)
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Clearly you are reading for the plot, and so we can safely discard your opinions as nonsense.

>It's just some dude going crazy after his uncle becomes king
>It's just some kid wandering around New York and whining
>It's just some bootlegger who wants a girlfriend
>it's just some senile salesman and his kids
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>>8443458
>Clearly you are reading for the plot, and so we can safely discard your opinions as nonsense.

Plot is the most essential part of any fiction book. It's the main tool through which the ahthor's ideas are presented, detailed and analyzed. If your plot is shit (which is the case with 1984) then your ideas aren't going to make any impact even if they're great (which, in the case of 1984, just weren't).

If you feel a natural repulsion to enjoying a plot,...
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All of my friends have fond memories of this book. I never read it as a kid because I have never liked genre fiction. Is it worth getting into as an adult? I want to share their happiness, but will it damage my patrician mind that has been shaped by me carefully controlling what I am exposed to? I have never read Harry Potter either.
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>>8443412
You sound like a boring drone. Don't bother reading it, you probably won't like it.
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Its not a kids book.

Agree with ^ anon, why not use your time wisely and re-read Infinite Jest?
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I just read the complete series earlier this summer and didn't laugh once. It was a strange melancholy because I felt the whole time it was something I should have read years ago.

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>the introduction and editor's notes are longer than the actual text
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>>8443378
name 1 book that does this
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>>8443378
All my classic french plays are like this. The play is like 10 pages long but the books are like 60 pages. That's an exaggeration but still
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Here is my copy of Marcus Aurelius' meditations. The middle group is the actual meditations. The outer groups are editor's notes and introductory drivel.

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Hi, /lit/ I feel passionate about learning German. I have no experience and don't know what is the right way to start. Are there any books or methods you could recommend for a complete beginner in learning the German language?
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Go to libgen and pirate Sandberg's German for Reading

Don't listen to anyone who says shit like memrise or duolingo, or Michel Thomas, Pimsleur, or anything like that

If you want to learn a language you need to understand its basic building blocks and structure, not have guesswork skimming ability in day-to-day conversation about
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>>8443276
I'm assuming he wants to know how to speak German, so Michel Thomas would be good for that if you can't find a German friend; you're right about the other programs. You should also get dual language books. Dover has some.

Myself, I'm using Basic German by Schenke right now and I have a Siddhartha dual language book.
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>>8443265
m8 just go read some Goethe

Is this poorly written?

http://pastebin.com/GPgBC4ge
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>>8443260
yep. didnt read tho
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Is there a single poster on /lit/ willing to read this?
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>>8443260
>Is this poorly written?
yes

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I heard Clinton bring up the alt-right.

Any books I can read about this movement?
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No, they are for the most part barely literate idiots.
I could list you some conservative authors of significant quality, but frogposters don't read.
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start with

My Twisted World - Elliot Rodger
Infinite Jest - Thomas "DFW" Joyce
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>>8443242
textbooks on logic, science, and biology

What facial expression is this?
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>>8443178
Butt sex in progress.
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Constipation. I've had it before.
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The photograph is originally of that man ejaculating (source: look it up yourself)
If it's a word you're looking for I'm sure it wouldn't be too hard to make up one

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Should I read this fast or slow? No spoilers please and one more question: what was the predominant emotion it left you with?
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Read it as you think a cowboy would.
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>>8443117

Boredom.
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>>8443117
dont bother because if you have too ask your a faggot ....a raging one at that...leave

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This is fucking hilarious, why do you guys hate it?
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>>8443061

Because I mistakenly saw a video of the same name involving gay scat.
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>>8443069
>mistakenly
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>>8443061

I'm not reading it after the huge letdown that was Cat's Cradle.

Is there such a thing as too much technological advancement?
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>>8442971
Too much for what? If you mean for humans being humans, you may see such in your lifetime.
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>>8442971
You may see such in X years where X = X - 10
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>>8442971
Depends on your goals m8. If your goals are human happiness I think that ship sailed about 10 000 years ago.

Is this really the only version of Gravity's Rainbow without misprints or smears? Bc it's pretty expensive and most other versions are cheaper
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The Penguin Classics one held up
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you can buy any edition now, they fixed the frank miller cover one
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>>8442934
where is it expensive? I bought it on Book Depository and I chose this one partly because it was the cheapest of all. It held up pretty well. Not the best quality paper but not terrible either. But don't buy it if it's overpriced

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I've been writing and reading more than usual this past two months, but I feel as if my writing is getting worse.
All my forum posts seem stodgy and constipated, as if each sentence is a rock-solid turd. There's no way any reader is digesting it.
My first poems were well-received (by /lit/izens) but their appeal seems to have gone downhill since then. I'm not sure if that means they're worse, but it's an indicator.
So much for my "talent" at English. I guess teachers have low standards.
I mean, I enjoy writing, so I won't give...
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how old are you?
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>>8442993
19
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>>8442917

>will I improve at something if I practice
Seriously? You made this whole thread to blogpost and ask that single question? If your writing is as self obsessed and masturbatory as this post, then it's no wonder you think you're shit.


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