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>There once was a man from Peru
>who dreamt he was eating his shoe.
>he woke up in fright
>in the middle of the night
>to find that his dream had come true.
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>>8434802
OC INCOMING
There once was a fag from New York
Who fucked his asshole with a fork
all the while he cried
until he finally died
all for his ex boyfriend Bjork
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there once was a thing called a v2
to pilot you just did not need to
you just pushed a button
and it didn't leave nuttin
but destruction and death and debris too
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>>8434948
>>8434915
>>8434802
>There once
>There once
>There once

Can't we be a bit more creative than that?

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So /lit/ I just finished this. It is probably one of the first real literature books I've read. I understand more or less everything to the best of my ability but the ending. Why was Winston not shot?. Was that just a lie by the party? I am not sure if I fully understood the ending and would love others take on the book as a whole and specifically the ending.
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>>8434789
He was brainwashed into believing in the party. Orwell probably chose that ending because it might've been more frightening than him just dying. Also in practical terms, a brainwashed stooge is more useful than a corpse.
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Why would the party bother killing him if they can reprogramme his mind? The second is much more horrifying.
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>>8434789
They didn't kill him because they didn't need to. They'd won an even greater victory over him; they'd broken his spirit and his mind.

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How did this book change your life?
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Just as bad as the bible, if not worse
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Isnt this literally Ayn Rand + ""magick ;))""?
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Didn't really

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Pretty simple, really. Just generally recommend books that /lit/ doesn't talk about too often but would find interesting

>Nazim Hikmet- Letters To Tarantu Babu
Satirical letters sent by a fictional Ethiopian art student living in Rome during Mussolini's rule to his wife back home about the glories of Italy and its army. Great anti-fascist poetic work

>Ryunosuke Akutagawa- Rashomon And Other Stories
Dark and twisted Japanese short stories, one of which is the basis to the film Rashomon. Good shit
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The Elegance of the Hedgehog
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>Till We Have Faces - C. S. Lewis
Retelling of the myth of Psyche and Cupid. i haven't reread it since high school but it was probably one of the first books that really blew me away. Lewis considered it his best work...so do I.

>Coriolanus - William Shakespeare
Really "tight" but powerful play IMO. Coriolanus as a character was striking and kind of divisive for me. You kind of hate him, relate to him(and thus appreciate him), and avoid accepting that you relate to him all at the same time....
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Fifty Shades of Grey

Fifty Shades of Grey Fifty Shades of Grey

Fifty Shades of Grey Fifty Shades of Grey Fifty Shades of Grey

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>This crap had been going on for years now. In the absence of any real progress, gunter subculture had become mired in bravado, bullshit, and pointless infighting. It was sad, really.

Why is a /v/ author so right about /lit/? Most of you should be ashamed of yourselves.
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yeah a genre trash novel tells me nerds blow, real insightful
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>>8434707
I read it when I was stuck on recycle status in Ranger school- basically confined to a large room with several other guys with nothing to do but read and play board games for days on end.

It was okay. The 80s references were fun even as a 90s child. The plot was nothing special but it moved things along. The forced inclusivity, along with the "what a tweest!" ending inclusivity were pretty jarring.

Overall I'd say it was slightly worse than Mocking Jay which I read at the same time.
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>>8434825
I think it's a decent appraisal of an interest, pandering as it may be.

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Wanted to get a conversation going on secondary Nietzsche literature since so many people on this board read Zarathustra once and then make edgy Nietzsche posts. Just finishing pic related and its quite a good introduction to Nietzsche's thought. Others I've enjoyed:

>Nietzsche and Metaphor, Sarah Kofman
One that I think gets overlooked but is another good intro to his thought
>On Nietzsche, George Bataille
Crazy as fuck, Bataille is a madman.

There's so many others like Kaufman,...
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nig...what do you mean you "finished" it. that volume you posted has kept me busy for a year. I had to start over and write shit down because it had too many things I needed to remember.

and its not even something you can condense so ive pretty much been copying paragraphs at a time. Its too much...its like you get half way through an idea thinking its the most earth shattering thing only to have him push it even further before the conclusion.

Nietzsche to me is the most valuable philosopher because he satisfies the people who know better than to fall...
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>>8434643
>George Bataille
inb4ed by OP. A good serving of Nietzsche in The Inner Experience also (on The Gay Science, IIRC)
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>>8434694
I'm not quite done, but you're right, there's a ton to keep up with. A lot of the time I also take notes when I read, but with this my goal was just to give it a read and get the exposure, and I've also been looking for some particular conversations. But it's definitely something I'll come back to more than once in the future.

But I know those Nietzsche feels anon. I think Jaspers speaks to what you're saying in the section "The Circle"
>Nietzsche's...
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I need my faith in my fellow man restored. Can lit recommend any books exposing the virtues of pacifism, charity and humility? Anything about the importance of coming together as brothers and sisters in search of love and respect?
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>>8434601
The Social Contract
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>>8434785

kek

>>8434601

Secular humanist or spiritualist?
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After Virtue - Alasdair MacIntyre

is atheist materialism the end of philosophy
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>>8434589
only the beginning of the end.
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>atheist materialism

You mean materialism?

And no, it's just the death of metaphysics.
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also if you believe it is not, please give me literature that is convincing other wise. sorry but atheist materialism is depressing as fuck

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>The weight of this sad time we must obey;
>Speak what we feel, not what we ought to say.
What's that supposed to mean?
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>>8434506
Don't be a virtue signaling brown-noser and just say what needs to be said, even if people won't like it.
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>>8434568
How does that mean that? And how can you tell someone to say what they ought not to say? Isn't that contradictory? "You ought to say what you ought not to say."
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>>8434571
The line basically denounces that there is anything that you really "ought" to say. Who decides what you "ought" to do? It's saying that you shouldn't bow to some false external construct that you know in your heart is wrong.

Just matched with this sloot. Need some books to impress her with. I never read anything lol. Plz help me get pussy.
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>>8434465
Lolita
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Harry Potter and the Half Blood Prince
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>>8434465
Try Gabriel Garcia Marquez and Virginia Woolf.

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So, how 'bout those articles, huh?

Seriously, without nude photos, is it worth reading? I've never actually read a Playboy magazine.
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http://www.ottosell.de/pynchon/playboy.htm
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>>8434453
I read an old one from like the 70s or some shit out of curiosity a year ago when I saw an acquaintance of mine had some laying around. Even then the nudes were really softcore and didn't do much for me. The stories weren't anything special either, at least not in that issue.
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It has interesting interviews to some good authors (including the last interview to Bolaño).

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What are some titles like pic related?
I loved the "light" feel of it - not too serious at all.

Oliver Twist, Lord of the Rings, Harry Potter; what else is there?
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>>8434445
try trading the percy jackson book series.
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I got that book years ago when it first came out, when I was 15 and just started to get into reading. I thought it was going to be horror, paranormal type of book. Anyways I was severely disappointed.

>The Astonishing Life of Octavian Nothing
>For Whom the Bell Tolls
>Brave New World
>I Capture the Castle
>Infinite Jest
>So Long, and Thanks for All the Fish
>Oh,...
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>>8434445
Literally every brightly-colored book in the YA section or kid's books at your local store. Stop making threads about this piece of shit.

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>tfw the writting drunk meme is true
i think i can handle a little alcoholism
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>writing sober
why even
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>>8434447
i dont what i was thinking
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>>8434437
what is that picture from? it looks like a mugshot

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Is there any annotated version of pic related? It's really hard to read without turning to a dictionary or encyclopedia. The esoteric occult stuff interests me but it's out of my bailiwick.
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You figuratively have google and a notebook, something people in the 80s did not. Get to work like our better members did. There are notes in Italian, but I'm guessing...
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>>8434446
Ok. I'm on it. It's my oeuvre
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Frack, I made detailed notes for this, Name of the Rose, and Baudolino a while back when I was in university. They were unfortunately damaged beyond salvaging, after they were left on and it rained on my parents' front porch.

If not for that, I would have gladly scanned and uploaded them by now in a pdf. For lack of a professionally published companion, I covered vocabulary, scene summaries, foreign language passages, themes, and some historical, et al, context when Eco was being distant about a topic. It wasn't completely systematic (pages long hallucinations...
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is more important to write a lot and read less or to read a lot and write less?
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read more
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>>8434410
You can't write unless you read.
You can't write unless you write.
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>>8434410
write more than you read, if you read too much you'll develop perma-writer block

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I first read The Catcher in the Rye in seventh grade, and since then, I haven't found anything as fulfilling or enjoyable. What books do you recommend? I read a fair amount but haven't found anything quite like it.
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>>8434378
What have you read?
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>>8434383
The Bell Jar is the closest thing I've read to Catcher, but I didn't love it. Otherwise, apart from Catcher, I really enjoyed Stoner and Jonathan Franzen's work. I think the trend is sad, realistic novels with painfully relatable insights into the human condition.
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>>8434401
Perhaps you'll like the Virgin Suicides then. It's a little dry though.

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What are the best books to learn about political science?
>INB4 Mein Kampf
Fuck off with obvious /pol/ bait.

I would just like to get back into reading again and I have an interest in political science so I think it would be fun.
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I dunno, textbooks? Boring shit you have to go to a University library for.
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>>8434369
Cliff notes for AP American Government :^)
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Hague And Harrop, 'Comparative Government And Politics: an Introduction'

I had the 9th edition, pretty sure there's a 10th edition now.

>>"But what pained her most and enraged her most and made her most bitter was the fragrant and wormy guava grove of love that was dragging her toward death"

Is that you, John Green?
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>>8434341
That's what you get for reading translations.
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>>8434346
But anon I'm quite sure that this metaphor was a deliberate choice by Marquez, not some cheap translation error
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>>8434341
Marquez does get sappy

For me pic related was more like a long-running British soap opera than anything else

Was he Elliot Rodger if he was actually smart?
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It's true. But it's also true because I don't think about dudes. If I did, it would likely be the same.
Really you can sub 'people' in for women. Most men get closer to women than any of their male friends. It's just the way of things.
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>>8434295
>I spent more time studying the world, seeing the world for the horrible, unfair place it is. I then had the revelation that just because I was condemned to suffer a life of loneliness and rejection, doesn’t mean I am insignificant. I have an exceptionally high level of intelligence. I see the world differently than anyone else. Because of all of the injustices I went through and the worldview I developed because of them, I must be destined for greatness. I must be destined to change the world,...
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>>8435817
who are you quoting?

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Every time I get myself to read something, it almost immediately bored my to death and stop reading it. Either rhat, or the overly-detailed writing styles of older books just require too much effort to read. But I wanna read things. I wanna read catcher in the rye despite it being boring as hell. I wanna read Meditations and AsoIF despite them being pretty long. I wanna read a bunch of books, but I just lose interest.

It's probably my ADD, desu, but how do I get the will to earnestly get into reading?
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read something you enjoy, start with King if you have to, seriously. Meditate, seriously. Limit yourself to a computer screen in any way that you can, seriously. Maybe allow yourself to browse the internet or play video games or talk to people on Teamspeak only after you read 50 pages. Go to the gym. Start thinking for yourself.

Or don't, whatever.
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realistic answer - its hard to will yourself to like to read books you don't want to read. My advice would be not to try and tackle intense books and just stick with what actually interests you and read out of that pile... There is not much room for people who don't want to read literature yet try and read literature with no interest...

methods that helped me focus and read include -

- setting a goal that could actually be reached by me (I started with 30 pages a day, which was perfect cause each book of The Iliad is about 30 pages) and then I worked...
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>>8434280
>Meditations
>long
hee haw I guess I should have caught the joke before this point

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Any good? Hot neighbor gave it to me and I don't know if I should read it, or just find a detailed summary and pretend to be amazed as I discuss what amounts to cliff notes from anonymous idiots or actually read it.

I kind of enjoyed Gold Coast, but was ultimately dissapointed. Nice sarcastic narration and great characterizations (deplorable characters, but still), but the book ultimately felt pointless and anticlimactic.

From what I've read, this is supposed to be far better. That said, I've got damn near 50 books either on kindle or print on my...
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Come on, /lit/, give me a hand. Book's description sounds like some Le Carre shit, and I'm assuming it has the same sense of humor as Gold Coast.
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This confirms something I've long suspected about this board.

You guys don't read shit. You comment on 'classics' that you may or may not have read, you shit on authours who move copies out of sheer jealousy, and you're all just a bunch of clowns seething with envy over anyone even moderately successful.

Just a little food for thought here, homos; maybe nobody wants your shit because the overwhelming majority of you are shit writers.
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>>8434828
you're acting like you're saying something new

most of /lit/ accepts that /lit/ is garbage, with its occasional moments that just barely kind of make it worth it

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Who are the best prose writers in English?
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>>8434248
>English

but OP, that's an American
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so you can namedrop them at your next cocktail party?
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>>8434248
Woolf
Emily Bronte
Nabokov
Faulkner

this is the reason I never even considered reading the classics. that show was so goddamn boring. it turned me off for years and years. I feel like highschool does the same thing for plebs. they just associate reading with booooooring.
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>>8434196
I just googled this show and pic related popped up. You're a fucking bullshitter this show looks great.
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Nigga what the fuck that's what got me into the Odyssey at age 10. And then ten years later I picked up Ulysses out of the Odyssey connection with no clue what I was getting into, and it catapulted me into literature. Nigga Wishbone is probably why I'm here.
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Ah Canadian TV. I learned about computers from reboot too

Official Discord server of /lit/. https://discord.gg/n26SG2p
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there's already a discord

fuck off
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There's a TinyChat but not a Discord. This is the official Discord of /lit/ as of now.
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>>8435614
fuck off retard
https://discord.gg/SFxx8

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Any books that read like a french New Wave or an italian Neo-Realist movie? I've been wanting to read something like that, where the characters are all self-aware, erudite, curious and critical, and where the city/forest/shore seem to be characters unto themselves.

Anyone know what I mean?
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>>8434146
The Stranger reads like a Godard movie to me for some reason but I'm sure you've read that
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>tfw all these beautiful European cities are flooded with shit skins

Don't go to Europe boys, I was so fucking disappointed.
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Le chants de Maldoror, maybe

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What does /lit/ think of it? It's basically promoting reason over experience to have beliefs or opinions. I personally like it because it has some form of way to promote reason. probably because I am trying to find some philosophy that deals with intelligence, smartness, or wisdom. Let me know in spoilers in case you got a list of such philosophies. Hard mode: Don't list empiricism.

Also, has their been any work that deals with Rationalism?
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>>8434118
You sound like a New Atheist. Can you even define reason?
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>>8434127
>You sound like a new atheist

I've actually have been an atheist, I just want to clarify my stuff.
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>>8434138
So can you tell me what reason is?

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Hey guys do you have some amazing classics that are good to read? And i mean by that books that relly are worth reading and that make you think. Thanks
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everything dostoyevski
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>>8434079
catcher in the rye
as i lay dying
ritual by nooteboom
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>>8434079
marcus aurelius' "meditations"

Hello friends, do you have any good readings on tenderness?


Send it this way please.


From Barthes 'A Lover's Discourse':

"There is not only need for tenderness, there is also need to be tender for the other: we shut ourselves up in a mutual kindness, we mother each other reciprocally; we return to the root of all relations, where need and desire join. The tender gesture says: ask me anything that can put your body to sleep, but also do not forget that I desire you--a little, lightly, without trying to seize anything right away.


Sexual...
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>>8434068
One of the most tender passages ive ever read has little to do with love but on old age. Cicero On Old Age is like a soothing hand comforting you on your inevitable fate, and assuring you that it wont be that bad if you take it with the right attitude. I watch my grandfather sit and stare at fox news as he withers away and cannot but see that cicero was completely right.
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>>8434078
Thank you, i'll be sure to give that a read
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works of love

What's the most /r9k/ tier book?
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>>8434018
book of disquiet obviously
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>>8434018
Book of Disquiet or any Sabato book
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>>8434018
50 shades of grey

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HOLY SHIT
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>>8433999
Wow there satan that guy from wikileaks is surely getting old lol
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How did he get the edgy atheist look down so well?
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He has nothing worth reading but dem digits.


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