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Do you have any ideas? Hunter S Thompson? Pic unrelated
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>>8428870
They're called FPS (first person stories), noob.
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>>8428870
like anything in first person?

Lolita if thats the case.
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>>8428870
Moby-Dick
Lolita
The divine comedy
The life and opinions of tristram shandy, gentleman
Gulivers travels

What is your greatest writing weakness /lit/?

Mine is over describing environments. Each one of my chapters have massive pace destroying paragraphs at the start of them that go on about all the intricate details of the hills/building/beach/whatever. It all feels important to me at the time, and as I am still battling through my first draft I am pushing forward rather than wasting time continually revising at this stage, but I know that when I come to revise for my second draft am going to have to sort these sections out. Plus I'm probably an underwriter so my word...
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>>8428869
>describing enviroments at all
t. your nigga Dosto
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>>8428869
read stoner if you want to find (what i feel to be) a good example of short environment description. williams provides brief but not lacking (succinct i guess) descriptions that dont interrupt the pace and feel vivid in my mind.

on the other hand, try reading lolita. nabokov has humbert go on and on about landscapes and beauty, but the prose is so motherfucking good that you feel invigorated just reading it.

if youve already read those, try going back over passages of them. it really helps me.
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>>8428900
Thanks for the recommendation. I will certainly look up Stoner as I have not come across it

Favorite religious writings? Read anything written by a monk you recommend?
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Cloud of Unknowing and Dark Night of the Soul
I love Christian mysticism, it's comfy
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>>8428853
>Favorite religious writings?
As in specifically religious or does fiction pass? I'll give a list of random works I liked
Thoughts in Solitude by Thomas Merton
Dark Night of the Soul by John of the Cross
Book of the New Sun by Gene Wolfe
Everything That Rises Must Converge by Flannery O'Connor
End of the Affair by Graham Greene (as a person a lot less Catholic than his writings would tell you)
Silence by Shusaku Endo (will pray a rosary for anyone who can...
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>>8429467
Great list, although technically Aquinas was a friar not a monk.

Anyway, I'll add:
Summa Theologica by Thomas Aquinas
Confessions by Augustine
The Sources of Christian Ethics by Servais Pinckaers
Grace: Commentary on the Summa Theologica of St. Thomas by Reginald Garrigou-Lagrange (reading this now)
Commentary on the Song of Songs by Bernard of Clairvaux (this guy was a monk)
The Experience of God by David Bentley Hart

And for some fiction:
The Power and the Glory by Graham Greene
Brideshead...
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a good book (fiction or non fiction) discussing about mental health? Can be on depression, PTSD, social anxiety etc
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Most late 20th century lit that isnt sci-fi, fantasy, or romance.
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Disturbing the Peace, Richard Yates.
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I suggest to read about the imprinted brain theory. Not necessary have to read the books on it.

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>>8428841
you didn't build that. shakespeare invented it.
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>>8428841
What's that hanging on his neck? Something medical, I guess. Like something with an alarm switch that the moribund can press with one of the last barely coordinated twitches of his reptile hands, so that caretakers can rush to do whatever it is they do to keep him a little longer in this muddled limbo of a world? Is that it? Thanks for reminding me he's mortal and sinking inwardly, a shitting, wheezing skeleton inside its pergament case. Leave him be into his non-being. Broadcasting his inner melting wirelessly,...
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>>8429713
That'll be all of us if we make it that far one day

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Now that the dust has settled, what's the verdict on this man and his works?
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Sam Harris comes dangerously close to being a smart man. He displays a rational of thought that is respectable enough when discussing religion... then completely shuts down and allows bias to take over when talking politics.
I like listen to his debates on religion, a topic on which he is quite knowledgeable. But he is practically intolerable when discussing politics... and not just because I disagree with him on some issues. He would back a bad candidate to the ends of the earth, and in that respect he is as bad as some BFE farmer in Kansas.
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>Yesh, I support the death penalty because Sam Harrish is still alive.
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I like him, though I don't agree with him on everything, like on the topic of Hillary.

His writings are pretty decent though.

wtf I can't be sure of anything now
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wtf I hate the state now
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wtf I wanna bang my mom now
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wtf where am i now?

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Is this patrician?
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>>8428794
>bookmarks
>patrician
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>>8428795
Makes things easier, especially since I'm constantly switching back and forth between the main text, the notes, the glossary etc
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>>8428794
>ask if something is patrician

asking makes the act instantly pleb, this is AWAYS the case, even if you are asking if Beckett or Kawabata are patrician

why? think it like the schrodinger's cat, it maybe alive or dead, but if you look the cat will aways be dead

Same goes with the concept of "patrician", because one of the defining characteristics is the lack of need of validation by others, so a work can be or not patrician, but if you need validation...
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is my mom /lit/?
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bonus
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is she???
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>>8428754
What Kindle is that? Looks bigger than the Paperwhite

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Any good editions of Nabokovs Lolita that don't have girls/women/bodyparts on the front? Except for the Olympia first press edition that I could literally buy my own physical lolita for in Asia.
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>>8428745
Why do you want such an edition?
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>>8428787
I just really like simple covers, as well as reading a book with "lolita" in big font over a tweens bust isn't my cup of tea
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>>8428791
Faggot

I'm European and rarely have trouble pronouncing names, but Goethe is really weird to me. Is it really pronounced Gur-tah and not Goh-teh (or similar)?

Also Goethe general I suppose.
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>>8428705
Where exactly did you find an "r" in Goethe?

Just google it you dip, look up some German pronouncing it and be done with it
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>>8428705

I don't know how I'd go about typing it, but it's easy for anyone who isn't retarded.
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>>8428708
>>8428714
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/Goethe

Am I the only one hearing the r? I initially thought it was an American thing, but I hear it so often that I'm starting to think that even Germans disagree about it.

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Can one become a great writer without being intellectually gifted? Any example?

I was reading about psychometrics and how general intelligence is a really strong predictor of success in several areas, and more specifically, how language and math skills are highly correlated. This really struck me, seeing that i heard several times people saying that they were bad at math but good at writing or vice-versa. This also make me really depressed because i always thought that good writing was a form of self expression that had a deeper meaning and was depended of several non...
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If you're sub 105 IQ you should resign yourself to menial labour or just kill yourself and stop wasting my resources desu
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>>8428704
>>8428702
>they fell for the IQ meem
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>>8428704
>resign yourself to menial labour
>resign

Manual labour is the most noble of work though.

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Anybody here literally on the path to becoming a great writer?

I'm talking MFAs, comfy jobs in Academia, contacts in the industry, a portfolio of published short stories / poems.

I sure hope you aspiring writers out there aren't drifting in life working jobs that have nothing to do with literature and putting everything off until tomorrow.
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Much of my time is invested in stand up comedy. Writing became important to be when I learned that a well written joke gives you more wiggle room in your performance. There's a lot of tricks like using (((((high energy))))) and crowd work to make up for it but building a well written set gives you a firm foundation.

Some of the best joke writers I know are English majors but look and act like complete trolls with no confidence on stage. It keeps them from experimenting with more difficult material. Knowing how to address the crowd allows you to take more risks in...
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>>8428729
Why bump a shitty thread? Don't you have some writing to do?
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This isn't even close to "being on the path to becoming a great writer"...

You're a fucking retard, go get a job in marketing or something. It's where you would have been pre the internet acting as your own personal yes man.

You poor sucker.

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>go for a walk in a park on a hot summer's day
>feel sad and bored and unfulfilled
>go to the cinema and a walk around the city centre
>feel sad and bored and unfulfilled
>stay on internet all day
>feel sad and bored and unfulfilled
>learn programming
>feel fulfilled and interested but have a strong desire to stop after...
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>>8428656
Sounds like you need a friend, buddy :)

You're never alone in the ummah though. Just saying.
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>>8428658
>>8428658
>>8428658
This. Only solace within human condition is creating something meaningful or sharing your experience, and therefore making it meaningful.

Are you fluent in existential thought OP? Read some of that stuff, whether you find it entry-level or not. It's described with perfect attention to detail there *how* to put the meaning into existing matter, I only listed to pretty universal and proven-to-work...
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>>8429400
two* pretty nice examples.

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>Go to LGBT section to find lesbian fiction
>It's all erotica and smut

Is there any *good* literature with lesbian characters/relationships/themes?
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No, because just having people be gay isn't good story material.
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>>8428647
Yes, The Divine Comedy. Specifically the 7th circle, sin against nature.
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>>8428647
Jeanette Winterson. I wasn't such a fan of her most famous one, Oranges are Not the Only Fruit, but The Passion was excellent.

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Hello, i'm just wondering if you guys could share some good dystopian books with me. I've already read animal farm, 1984, and the giver.

also dystopia themed book thread?
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>>8428605
a brave new world, fahrenheit 451, we
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>>8428692
451 isn't that good, and Bradbury was a fucking idiot.

>>8428605
Tbqhwyf I kind of thought White Noise saw the postmodern world as being dystopian or post-apocalyptic. Not in genre but in spirit.
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>>8428605
The Handmaid's Tale

i have a list im compiling of nearly banned books.
mostly conspiracy, anti-establishment "woke" themed material.
some titles are eluding tf outta me
i need links to some deeper web message boards where i might find the remaining books on my list.
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Borrowing thread, anyone got the PDF for pic related, I have tried searching around for a while and no luck so far.
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Don't you get on a watchlist for downloading Tiqqun books?

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What's the deal with people who are evidently very well-read but still display incredibly simplistic patterns of thought?
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In what way does Hitchens display "incredibly simplistic patterns of thought" ?
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>>8428578
You have to understand that Hitchens was a serious alcoholic for the last 20 years of his life, I think that was a big part of it

Plus he always hung onto unrealistic thought like Trotzkyism, which came with his environment
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>>8428578

Agreeing with >>8428581 but I'll bite you fag. Most anything you've seen him in or read of his has been for the layperson. He has to be simple--which doesn't equate to simplistic. Watch old videos of him as a young reporter, totally not famous, and he's almost too obtuse and winding in his thoughts to be enjoyable. He slimmed it down to be palatable and now you, presumably, can't read between the lines and are butthurt about it.

Also you're baiting I'm guessing, but, heeyoooo any Hitch thread is a good thread

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ITT: Book triggers

>the book's cover is the poster of its movie conversion
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>chapter 1 starts on page 36
>introduction is bigger than the actual text
>uneven page edges
>book is an ebook
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>introduction written as if the reader has already read the book complete with spoilers

>real person on the cover representing a character

>any written on the cover that's purpose is only to sell the book like "winner of ___ award"

>"dear reader"
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>Adverb

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What is your favorite novel?

Mine is Gulliver's Travels. It's funny, philosophical, and ridiculously creative.
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I like my Diary, you should read it sometime
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>>8428571
You know, I don’t want to be offensive. But ‘Anon's Diary’ is just awful. It seems ridiculous to have to say it. He can’t think, he can’t write. There’s no discernible talent.”
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>>8428566
Can you please tell me specifically what you got from Gulliver's travels? I am thinking about rereading it soon

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This is the book list for my english class this semester

Should I bail? There's still time
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Not if you need the credits.... dunbass.......
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>>8428560
I don't, I can pick any class in any major I like as long as it's upper-division
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>>8428580
for >>8428575

What are some book series aimed at introducing thinkers and philosophers individually? I mean like:

>The Giants of Philosopy
>Philosophers in 90 Minutes
>How to Read...

There's also Very Short Introductions and Cambridge Companions. What else?
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These ones tend to be pretty good.
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>>8429906
What are they? Quirky little comics?
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>>8429915

Yes and no. They're pretty straighforward overviews. Not really a comic. The illustrations are kind of wacky, but not in a memey way. Just look up previews on amazon to see what they're like.

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I'm writing a book of aphorisms a la Nietzsche, but with a comedic turn.
I'm on page 125 so far and I wanted to hear some constructive criticism on the type of aphoristic creations you will likely see throughout the book.

"Besides the great -or horrible- Bubonic plague, there is one thing that, throughout human history, I have dubbed the most painful: The chattering of old women"

"Naye, Mr. Darwin; Naye, Mr. Aristoteles; If there is one thing humans are made of, it must be Habit. Yes! Humans are creatures of habit!"

"Nietzsche...
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Grist for the mill.
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>>8428479
Well done, I cringed.
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>>8428488
In a good way?

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I am going to write a dark fantasy short story soon, so I'm looking for some pretty cacophonous and disgusting phrases. Things that come to mind include:

"putrid, rotten, prolapsed pudendae..."

"spawning rape-mother of a thousand Turks..."

"fornicator of the syphilitic, he who craves many itches"

What are the ones that you use?
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>>8428456
If YOU'RE writing the short story, then YOU should be the one to come up with the phrases that YOU are going to be writing. /lit/ is not going to write your stories for you.
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>>8428456
You need simpler words. Having these sophisticated phrases for something that is horrifying will take me out of the experience.
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>>8428465

* "Upon closer examination, I came to know that the strong-smelling parched membrane stretched before me was, in fact, the gutted vaginal walls of a dead woman."

"I accused her of the following: that she enjoyed the lustful weight of Turks pressing upon her, that she enjoyed the unholy lifeforms they injected into her and finally that she had done this a thousand times."

"He had an eyebrow-raising attraction to those dull husks infected with the Great Pox, along with the nasty...
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How similar is this to JR? I'm about 100 pages in and so far, this may be the most fun book I've read since At Swim-Two-Birds. If JR is similar, I can't wait to get to it.
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>>8428334
>reading books

holy shit he fell for the meme
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>>8428334
Pretty similar, but there's a bit of Carpenter's Gothic in there too. Also the play excerpts and legal briefs mix things up a bit.
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>>8428451
As a lawyer, I've loved the court opinions and other legal discussion. Gaddis gets it exactly right while really skewering my profession. The man had uncanny insight and must have really done his research (legal theories/common law rules he discusses are actually correct).

What order would you recommend from here. I have all of his books but this is the first one I've read.

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What does /lit/ think about this book and Bukowski in general?

This is the first thing I read of his work and I really enjoyed the book. The bad part for me was reading it in some crappy Spain translation that butchers every moment of the book involving "strong" language (and if you know the book it has many).
Next book of him I will do my best to get some original version or at leas a latin american translation.

For me (aside for the shitty experience I had with the translation) it's a really solid book to read especially if you want to be a writter.
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I love bukowski! Hes extremely entertaining. I prefer his novels over his poetry though. I recommend blue bird and genius of the crowd as some of his most profound works in poetry. Take care anon.
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widely panned as shit by psuedo intellectual wishy washy fuccbois old man buk is actually quite the interesting man. influenced by celine, he was a genius in a deformed shell, bitter, angry, resentful, synonyms compounded into irony. he speaks about things in such a way as to revolt the senses of the intellectual and triumph the common. the beer shits, the hemorrhoids, the gentle farts of his lovers. yet there is the bluebird and all that.

altogether a lovely man. widely imitated not replaced he was too authentic, he earned his street cred and he deserves his spot. wherever...
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>>8428321
That was my first into to Bukowski and I hated it. The stories repeat themselves too often. I personally found his novels very amusing however. Save for Women, Hollywood and Pulp. I haven't read the latter two but I have read a grrar majority of Women and always run into a moment ehwre I realize everything I am reading feels meaningless and much less interesting than something like Factotum or Ham on Rye. Never really got into is poetry much. Doesn't seem like he really separated his poetry from his prose.

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>“Yes, my eyes are closed to your light. I am an animal, a nigger. But I can be saved. You are fake niggers; maniacs, savages, misers, all of you.”

What did he mean by this?
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>>8428296
You're a fake nigger OP. I'm a real nigger. Rimbaud predicted hip hop culture before it happened.
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>>8428296
Rimbaud was the first trap rapper

>you are all sham niggers


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Is Chief Keef more literary than previously recognized?

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Which of his stories is your favorite?
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The Medal, or something is pretty great, I also really liked the one about the fat frenchman who fights the Prussian officer on the train and of course Boule de Suif.
He seemed pretty easy so I may well read him in French when I can get a copy.
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>>8428176
The Regret. I think that was the great. He was a prodigee of Flaubert right? I've been meaning to read Balzac as well. Is it similar to his style? Maupassant is underrated IMO

>>8428678
You mean Two Friends? That's also nice.
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>>8428806
not him but that doesn't sound like deux amis to me

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Has anyone seen this edition? It has 120 pages less than the vintage international edition and it's cheaper.
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>>8428104
This is vintage international
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Someone?
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You're probably better off reading book reviews in the Vintage edition. LiA isn't very popular on this board. I don't see why it would be any different, but 120 pages seems like a whole lot of something missing.

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Last Saturday was this cool guy's birthday. Post your favorite Weird Tale.
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I liked best the story of the one-bit writer who, decades after his death, goes from being the object of the widest and most superficial appreciation to being universally shunned for having during his whole career written one joke poem about a squid god.
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>>8428051
The Willows, which, coincidentally, was also his favorite weird tale
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Anyone else here read The Hill of Dreams by Machen? It's basically my diary desu by a lover of the ancient Welsh ruins and forests of his upbringing.

The main character is a knobhead named Lucian, and it's hilarious how little regard he has for fellow people. And it's precisely those normies who would think that such an awkward, detached guy would have nothing going on in his head, much less a 60,000 word narrative. It almost reads like a parody of itself, and doubles as an ersatz Lovecraft psych case.


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