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Opinions on pic related?
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Doris Lessing would be considered one of the greatest modern writers if not for sexism in the industry. Same for Margaret Atwood.
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>>8427938
She gets a shitload of respect though, Atwood I mean. I like her writing but it seems disproportionate to how good her stuff actually is. Then again I'm in Canada so they probably hyper focus on her because we have like 4 writers in our entire history that mattered
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>>8427941
who are the other three?

Are there any novels that will let me understand Women?
Please no women writers
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>>8427589
talk to them you fucking dumbass
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infinite jest

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what books have dialogue like this guy creates?
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Gaddis does dialogue better than anyone else.
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Ready Player One
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any dialogue if you read it fast enough.

Any point in reading this when I have severe dyscalculia? I have trouble grasping the simplest forms of maths, should I even bother?
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>>8427526

From what I remember, the book's much more about logic than arithmetic.
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>>8427526

There are a couple pieces here and there that involve a certain kind of algorithmic thinking that might be difficult, but it's not like they make the whole of the book impossible to understand
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>>8427526

only interesting/useful part in this was the LISP references

not sure why Bach was in this book, don't think it's appropriate to apply the idea of recursion to music any more than say biology, which is inherently recursive, a lot of music "is recursive" but musicians don't have that in mind

Why is it called post-modern if it was written in the past?
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Because it pretends to be the future
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a better question is why its still called Modernism
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Because Cervantes just based like that

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if there is one weakness in pynchon's writing, it is is his over-reliance on references to obscure history, pop culture, etc. do you agree?
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>>8427375
No I think it's sometimes the fact that he weighs down what could be profound with his zany humor. He just needs to have more restraint sometimes, but other than that I can't really pin down too much I dislike about him
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>>8427375

What makes it excessive and not merely stylistic?
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>>8427375
>>8427381

Both are part of his charm

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I'm considering buying this book in spanish (my native language). Does anyone have both the spanish and english editions? Both the same cover, one Vintage Espanol and the other St. Martin's Press.

English:
898 pages
Dimensions 139.7 x 208.28 x 45.72mm 657.71g

Spanish:
1125 pages
Dimensions 134 x 200 x 52mm
739.35g

I mention the english version because that's the one I've seen featured in youtube reviews, etc, so I know it's size, but I see that the spanish version is like 200 pages longer, heavier, and bigger in size. I'm fearing it's just too big to be confortable. Am I worrying too much?
Anyone has both by any chance, to share a pic?
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It's obscenely big, but way better than the shit english translation
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>>8427294
I honestly couldn't imagine you reading this book in the original translation and thinking "man my arms are tired, I wish I got the smaller, shittier, pun-less English translation so my bitchtwig arms wouldn't be straining to hold the book"
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>>8427302
So you do have both? Please share a comparison pic.

I've been comparing it with other meme books I have. It's not as obsenely big as The Recognitions or Infinite Jest. So it's not THAT terrible. But yes, still big. I'm being turned off lately by huge books. Really annoying to carry them around (bus ride, dead hours, etc). I'm tempted to read it on my e-reader but I suspect it will be such a great book, that I want to do it in physical format.

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Looking for some books that are similar to STALKER (the game). I know there already is a book series, but it's only in russian. Any ideas?
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Roadside Picnic
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>>8427577
Sounds good. Anything else?
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>>8427613
The Road

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1. "'Science can't tell us how to be moral,' sneered the Humanitiesfag extremely Jewishly." I agree, but why the hell do people who say this try to imply that philosophy can figure out objectively correct morals? Why do philosophaggots cry when you bring up the Munchhausen Trilemma? Is it because it is not conducive to self congratulatory mental masturbation?

2. How do you cope with the stress of keeping up with the Joneses in terms of reading about boring shit you wouldn't normally care about but you are told you have to care about? E.g.,...
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>2. How do you cope with the stress of keeping up with the Joneses in terms of reading about boring shit you wouldn't normally care about but you are told you have to care about? E.g., Greeks, continental philosophy, fiction (particularly the western canon etc.)
>reading to impress others
>having such shit taste
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>>8427232

>Is it because it is not conducive to self congratulatory mental masturbation?

>Asking THIS Question on a mongolese figure weaving goat-farm
>the year of your lord
>2K16
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https://orthosphere.wordpress.com/2013/03/04/the-argument-from-truth/

Do you recommend to read his trilogy of novels with no other books in between or it doesn't matter?
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Godot, then Proust, then Endgame, then More Pricks than Kicks, then Murphy, then Watt, then Happy Days, then Krapp's last tape, and then the trilogy. After that, read the rest of his drama and fiction.
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>>8427163
What do you think of Embers?
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>>8427157
>no other books in between
? You'll likely want a rest before the Unnamable at least. If you mean other books of his, there's not much point to not reading those three in order; other than that it doesn't matter.

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one of the first times i ever masturbated was to a rape scene in this book

i was 10
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what kind of reactions are you expecting ?
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>>8427102
At around ten or so I had read the first three books in that series hoping for another adventure in the vein of Lord of the Rings. Like with all contemporary fantasy I had given taste to in that time I eventually tossed it down in disgust.
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You don't really masturbate if you can't cum imo.

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one of these
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>Regressive Leftist reading list
Not today, Satan
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>>8427080
>2016
>leftist
>progressive
At least /pol/tards are funny, leftards are just pathetic.
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>>8427086

IT'S A BIG ONE!

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>They told me to take a street-car named Desire
seriously?
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>>8427057
>Before you die, you see the ring
This is now a /tv/ costanza thread
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>expecting a theatre piece to not be named after something visually demonstrable within the piece
Hurr or durr?
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>STELLLAAAAA
>STELLLAAAAA
>Oh can't you hear me yell-a
>you're puttin' me through hell-a
>Stella
>STELLLAAAAA

seriously?

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ITT post-modern novels from your country
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The Autists by Stig Larsson. It's debatable whether it's a novel or a collection of short stories. I can't say if I liked it or not, as it did all the things I dislike, yet I couldn't stop reading it. I recommend it though.
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>>8427071
Pic of current edition, I have it in my bookshelf.
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>>8427046
Oguz Atay- Tutunamayanlar

brilliant fucking novel, so sad there isn't an english translation so my ameribros can read it too

Will Peter Matthiessen become the next big meme novelist? Shadow Country ranks with the best of Pynchon and Gaddis imo.
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I doubt it. At least not anytime soon. Pynchon and Gaddis's meme status took decades to solidify.
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>>8426991
Never heard of this fagot
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>>8426991
I loved Far Tortuga and The Snow Leopard.

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>>8426827

>society
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>>8426830
How is society a spook
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It never really made society a better place. It's just entertainment. Hard work is what improves society.

>get on waitlist for Modernism and literature course
>3 person in line
>got a seat in the class earlier today
>pumped
>check rate my professor
>pic related

How much stock do you guys put into RMP?

I took a philosophy class last semester and the prof had a lower score than the modernism professor. Ended up getting a B+ in that class so maybe it's not as bad as it sounds.
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>>8426781
people*

I should probably eat lunch or something
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>>8426781
if you're not a pseud it doesnt matter how good/bad the prof is you'll be fine

if you're a pseud you'll get exposed by the good profs, or you'll get angry at bad profs for other reasons

so dont be a pseud
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>>8426781
Are the reviews unanimously bad, or is it just this one? Sometimes people get a chip on their shoulder and give shitty reviews because they got a C

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You think he's jealous of not coming up with the Veni, vidi, vici line?
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He's dead
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>>8426694
?
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>>8426692
OP is a retard, confirmed.

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Pic related.
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I dont think everyone understands Goethe is making fun of bourgeoisie "suffering" and are more likely to go the way of Werther
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I always thought Goethe was quite sincere and held a lot of feeling for Werther, but idiot nobles killed themselves after reading it, thinking the suffering and suicide to be romantic and admirable.
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the heart is a lonely hunter - carson mcullers

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Should I read pic related
I've heard bad things bout it
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Its well written and the characterization of the characters aren't half bad
The name dropping is kind cringe imho, like calling the fucking dog after anna karenina and the whole beethoven catchphrase

read and form your own opinion, in this case even if you don't like it won't be a waste of time
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>>8426623
A person being considerate on 4chan is not something you see very often
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It's an easy read, enjoyable at times, but there's better ways to talk about sex every page and infidelity then the way it was done in this book, less is more.

I hate his philosophizing too, it's drivel.

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This year I had to take an exam on spanish literature, and I read a bunch of them from various authors. pic related is one of my favourite, this guy was a genius. What do you suggest to read from him? Is Amor y Pedagogia as good as my professor told me? what else do you suggest to read from someone who read only like 10 spanish novels from the 900' in total?
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Read Volverás a Región if you like Faulkner
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I liked Abel Sanchez from him. You could say that the theme is envy.
Also El arbol de la ciencia by Pio Baroja. It has a slow start it is a great depection of the time it was written.
Also you may like to read stuff from the generation of 98, a group of authors that was given that name because of the shared themes.

I'm spanish myself
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Niebla is great

If you're staying on the Peninsula, get into portuguese lit too. Jose Saramago and Fernando Pessoa are the main ones to check out.

Get into latin american too. Pedro Paramo by Juan Rulfo started magical realism. Mario Vargas Llosa is better than Gabo. Borges and Cortazar round out South America. I'm a sucker for Bolaño's poetry, don't know his novels. For the love of god don't real paulo coelho. mexico has the strongest activist/essayistic tradition, descendents from poniatowska and paz.

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let me get this straight

Literary Theory is when you choose a certain school of thought and then just talk about how book fit into it?

Is it like you pick
>feminism = all books are about how men are evil
>colonialism = all books are about how white people are evil
>marxism = all books are about how capitalism is evil

And then you just talk about how a book fits into that?

What is the literary theroy if you just want to talk about how the book has a cool...
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Theory of my diary desu
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>Literary Theory is when you choose a certain school of thought and then just talk about how book fit into it?

No

>What is the literary theroy if you just want to talk about how the book has a cool story and is well written and stuff?

New Criticism
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literary theory just means critical theory now

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So I just started Gravity's Rainbow. And I've been following it decently so far. But the Kenosha Kid chapter really threw me for a loop. I get that it's PISCES/Spector injecting Truth Serum into Slothrop. But I'm missing how Slothrop came to be one of Spector's "Foxes". Or is this just left out of the narrative?

I don't know. I was following somewhat decently until this point. It has really thrown me for a loop. But I'll trudge on. Hopefully the farther I read, the more I'll be able to put together.
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it's nonsensical. just enjoy the prose and wordplay; there is no plot.
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>>8426506
Slothrops history is explained some later
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Fav writer for sure

What is some good fiction about growing up?

>first love / kiss / fuck etc.
>not-so-innocent interactions with siblings
>puberty-related stuff
>burgeoning sexuality
>wincest (or the regular, soul-destroying kind)
>inappropriate adult "friends"

In b4 Lolita
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Well, you could always read The Monk by Matthew Gregory Lewis published in 1796. It's about a monk who is "innocent" but when he finds out about fucking he starts raping girls left and right, including a 15 year old who is actually his sister
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A Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man
The Confusions of Young Torless
Jane Eyre
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>>8426491
Sentimental Education
This Side of Paradise
Wuthering Heights

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So /lit/ how do you encourage yourself to read the ego and his own rather than play video games or some shit?
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>>8426336
You take the book and read it while not playing video games.
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The first step is to not play video games.
Guess the next step.
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>>8426343
>encourage
for /lit/ you don't read well

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>ywn write so well that your first book rivals the best of the memes
>ywn come up with a plot so interesting that you can slave over it for five years without fucking it all up
>ywn be able to satirize your enemies without looking like a snarky manchild
>ywn have enough knowledge of religion, art history, wall street, and the justice system to make fun of them whenever you want with expert precision

Why even fucking live
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i just want the knowledge part

school failed me, now i'm trying to get a STEM degree and enjoy the arts when i don't know the basic histories or simple mechanics of my world
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>>8426316
It wasn't knowledge in the sense that he picked it up by osmosis or anything. If you read his letters you'll see that most of it was extensive research or firsthand experience. There's a reason he only wrote five books.
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>>8426346
I wonder how well read he actually was because the Gaddis website makes lots of references to his library where he's just chosen very selective bits from the books he was using from research, sometimes as little as a sentence or a page. Still interesting to think about how his mind worked that he could think of something and go find a very specific piece of info to weave into his writing.

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Are they well written for children's/YA books?

I haven't read them since I was a baby
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>>8426273
Why don't you read them and tell us?
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They're not well written at all frankly. Even Roald Dahl and Dr. Seuss is way superior.
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>>8426291

>even

What do you mean?

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How can I be more like this guy?
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narcissism and ecstasy
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>>8426234
Can you unpack that for me?
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>>8426230
start by convincing yourself that you're much more insightful than you really are, then convince several thousand other people and you're pretty much there.

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Fuck my life.
What's your motivation, /lit/?
What makes you lose your fear of death?
>Pic unrelated
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>>8426141
> fear of death
The plebbiest of existential problems.
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I'm not afraid of dying

Anytime will do
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yeah op death isnt that much of a big deal
is life what scares me

Any spooky books that read YOU?

>pic unrelated
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Nietzsche - The Ego and his Own
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>>8426131
If On A Winter's Night A Traveller
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