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>only 50 pages in
>already better than the entirety of IJ
What happened?
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your iq dropped significantly since you read infinite jest
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>>8421079

You're gonna need patience with this one pal.

Its like DFW really just hated us at this point.
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i cautiously concur with OP. in 140 pages myself into The Pale King. this book seems less pretentious than IJ.
>>8421079
>the IRS examiner found dead after 4 days at work
>childhood story of altruistic-obnoxious Stecyk
good shit

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Just bought Gravity's Rainbow and Infinite Jest. What am I in for?

Favourite book is Catch-22, been looking a long time for anything else that gives me the same level of enjoyment.
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Pretty much bananas
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You're in for some good reading.
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bananas, gay orgies, and DUDE WEED LMAO

these are the only three themes common to both novels.

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Hi guys,

serious question about IJ here.

Why did DFW focus so much on bulging planes?

It pops up a lot throughout the book, most notacibly in the last gately part.

I have read the books twice and still have no clue as to what DFW wanted to convey with these numerous descriptions of shapes that go from concav to convex (oooooh, maybe its just a refernce to the concavity/convexity, man how did i not notice this until now, well i typed all of this up already so why not hear your opinions on this too)
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>>8421037
I'm reading it for the first time, 300 pages in, so I can't answer your question, but you can answer mine

What was the intention or purpose of the technical, medical and obscure jargon throughout the book? It makes sense thematicaly when he writes about the MIT, or from Hal's perspective for example. But in the grand scheme of things?
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>>8421318

>What was the intention or purpose of the technical, medical and obscure jargon throughout the book?

No intention, probably just precision combined with sweat.
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>>8421318
Making undergrad humanities girls think he's a genius. Yes srsly

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I love Poe and Lovecraft. I know they aren't the best writers ever but reading their works is super comfy and it is my secret pleasure. I read quite a lot of books but no other authors set a similar mood. Maybe Tolkien. What are some similar authors to pic related? I tried reading Algernon Blackwood's short stories and Ligotti but they are not quite the same.
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Arthur Machen, maybe Ambrose Bierce, George MacDonald.
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>>8421039
Oh thanks, I recall reading Great God Pan and enjoying it quite a bit so I believe the other two are good as well.
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Algernon blackwood proto English Lovecraft.

You can find all his shit on line for free you're welcome

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>"..and when he gets back home he finds.... TWO JUMPING BALLS! AHHAHAH, people will eat this shit up..."
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4chan is so kafkaesque
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>>8420935
two jumping balls? what's that from?
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>people will eat this shit up
>Few of Kafka's works were published during his lifetime: the story collections Betrachtung (Contemplation) and Ein Landarzt (A Country Doctor), and individual stories (such as "Die Verwandlung") were published in literary magazines but received little public attention. Kafka's unfinished works, including his novels Der Process, Das Schloss and Amerika (also known as Der Verschollene, The Man Who Disappeared), were ordered by Kafka to be destroyed by his friend Max Brod,...
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Just finished this. Was pretty decent. One question. Was Bandini supposed to be an unlikable cuntstain? Half the book just seems to be him grandstanding himself when in reality he's a loser that no one cares about. Even when he publishes his book no one seems to give a damn about him.
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In some ways Sammy was a better version of himself.
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>>8420883
I agree. I just find it funny that Ask The Dust is trying to get you the sympathize with the dream of being a writer and how hard that goal is. Yet it portrays it through someone like Bandini, making the whole thing seem more like I'm throwing him pity candy than rooting for a cause.
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basically he realizes the truth about loving women aka the death of innocence.
They like to be treated bad sometimes (read: most), and if you really want to love them, just give them something (like a dog or "thing") to love. The dog he leaves her with at the beach house is a metaphor for the book itself which he tosses into the desert after her.
His story was called "the little dog laughed".
Remember the part where he goes to the prostitute and is totally grossed out by her vagina? Yeah its kinda misogynistic in general but still true. i like it.

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Besides DFW, whom I love, what are some good books about millennial problems?
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>>8420880

You'd probably get a more apt picture from your average greentext story thread. I'm not even sure if I'm joking here.
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>whom
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>>8420880
>about millennial problems
you can't be serious

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Write in the best way you can the experience that is getting a (You)
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Post a Reply. Update. Update. Catalog.

...

Backspace. Update. Update. Update...

(You)

Pure bliss.

>>8420849
Here's your (You)
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>>8420849
Eh.
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MODS

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Sam Delany, wrote Dhalgren and other books

he was better than David Foster Wallace and is on the level of Joyce
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Hogg is his masterpiece
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>>8420842
maybe on the same level as DFW

but Joyce...ha
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Never read him

Is this book worth reading or is it just a meme?
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I'm not sure if it's one of those books you should read from start to finish, it's nice to have around, but it's really only meant to be used for ancient warfare, people who study business have told me that it has some valuable insight, but even this is debatable.
I have one myself, but I rarely use it now that I'm not in the military anymore.
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It's not very long, and has some insights that seem obvious nowadays because they've completely been merged with our culture.

If you like advice like 'always leave a space to escape for your enemy, because a cornered enemy will fight with ten times the might' then go for it - I can see where stuff like this could be useful in the management world (competing companies etc.), but for the general schlomo it might not be so interesting.
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I gave this book a read when I was in high school. It was recommended to me by my history teacher and I found it to be a very interesting read.

So to answer your question.. I would give it a read if you're interested in history obviously, but for the overall thought process that was taken to make this book.

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What are John Updike's best books? What does /lit think about him in general?
Also,
>Is it just me or does it smell like Updike in here?
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>>8420768
Rabbit Tetralogy.

Of these, the middle two are the best, and my personal favorite is the latter one of the middle two, Rabbit is Rich.

He'a a great stylist, his books can actually sometimes have engrossing plots, other times be boring as fuck and he's complete shit in everything else. Doesn't care about deep philosophical themes, about creating interesting characters that aren't juvenile cardboard figures who never develop. Doesn't care about or is incapable of seriously tackling...
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What's Updike?
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>>8420768
I like his Shakespeare fan fiction. I imagine he would post it on fanfiction.net if he were born in a different time.

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why the fuck does this guy bring up pretty architecture all the time?
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Unfulfilled white men have a weird obsession with buildings - you'll notice that behind every unfulfilled white man is a wish to either create, visit, or wonder at some kind of building, as if "place" is what gives value to a life.
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>>8420740
Prolly cause he spends alot of time in buildings so that his bald spot doesn't burn.
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>>8420754
hi jeremy1122

Looking for a book that will help me learn to write better essays. Nothing too deep, just the basics, please.

I really liked "drawing on the right side of the brain" and its approach.

Anything similar but for nonfiction writing? Pic related seems well-received, but also rather uninspiring.
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Try Norton's critical writing guides
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>>8420718
books titles?

Or are you referring to the section of the Norton website?
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>>8420733
not tryna kill myself again. wasn't fun the last time

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This is my personal "library" - books I either want to read or have already read.

What other books would /lit/ suggest?

I'm not interested in pseudo-intellectualism, I'm not interested in validating my ego; I don't give a crap if other people think the book is good or not because I have no intention of telling anyone about them. (Of course I am doing so here, but I'm anonymous and looking for more so whatever)

I like hard science fiction
politics too, but particularly right wing views and anything that could be described...
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you're gonna get through maybe 5 books on this list before you give up

by the time you've given up you will have spent more time planning what books to read than actually reading
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This is a sad, sad post, and an even sadder image.
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>>8420605
I've already read a bunch of them. I don't think I'll ever read them all, and I don't care if I do. I pick and choose whichever ones sound the most interesting at any particular point in time and then read them.

Who gives a fuck if I go through them all?

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Who else /quittheirjobsoyoucouldstartwritingyournovelbutnowyouresixmonthsinandhavenoincomeandcantpayrentandisonly45pagesintotheirnovel/ here?

Honestly I tried writing it while I was working but I was working as a projectionist for a drive in theatre and it just ate up so much time (I was putting in close to 40 hours a week, and it was at night which is way worse than day shifts) and it was so fucking boring I never had anything to do. 99% of the time all I did was change the reels 5 times a night.
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>couldn't handle <40 hours a week

kys my man you're just retarded
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>>8420555
night shifts bro, way worse
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>>8420551
Couldn't you have written in the projection room if there was really that little to do? Also I quit my last job and wrote a book after, but I didn't quit to write it, it was just what I decided to do after quitting.

I originally posted something on this over on /tv/ but since that board is nothing but a meme horrorshow (a real shame for people that actually like film), I thought that I would bring it over here to /lit/ since it is based off of a novel to begin with and I actually mostly spend my time on /lit/ anyways.

So, I just finished the painted veil for the first time last night. It was spectacular. I had heard really good things about it a couple of years ago (Girl I was talking to said it was her favorite film) but I had never really gotten around to actually watching it.
Well,...
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>>8420550
read and watched 10 years ago.

go away
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>>8420619
And?... what did you think about the book and film? Compare and contrast the two?

Also, I'd rather not. This is a forum for literature after all... If that is something you'd rather not discuss then perhaps it is you that should depart.
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>>8420626
you admitted you started this thread on /tv/

kill yourself.

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Can somebody recommend me some books based off my intrest.

I like 'stoner' for it's simplicity and dark and sad undertones.
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>>8420546
I also like 'crying' for it's humour and style, I've read no other 'pynchon' novels, but would like to pick up 'Mason & Dixon'. "Crying's" themes I'm very interested in.
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>>8420553
Also, this I just enjoy generally.
I also enjoy "The Mezzanine" & thought about reading something by 'steckensha? Lam' like "solaris".

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who is your /lit/fu, /lit/?
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my girlfriend t b h
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>Discover book haul videos on youtube
>Now regularly fall asleep to them
I think I've gone too far

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lets waste our times together.
join
tiny chat com /4chanlit
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please
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>>8420304
>Adobe Flash Player is required
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Is there any nonfiction on the vast amount of men today living without sex or romance?
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>>8420285

>vast

I don't know about that. But check out Houllebecque.

also my diary hehe xd
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>>8420285

if not having sex is a result of your will, pic related might be a good starting point.
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Well, OP, it depends on the origin of the abstinence, of course.

Are men living without sex because they are faithful Christians, and Christ, though Saint Paul and others, pretty clearly forbids sex before marriage?

Or are they living without sex because they desperately want to have sex, but can't because they're pathetic sad fucks, so they just shut themselves in their rooms and masturbate?

The two are very different things, and deserve different responses.

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What is some Jeff Mangum-core literature?
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aside from the anne frank diary
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>>8420281
DFW's books, stories, and essays are a lot like In the Aeroplane over the sea.
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>>8420312
i have read some of good old neon and it didnt feel so much ITAOTS-ish desu

Who are the greatest philosophers? Who are your favorite philosophers?
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>>8420187
Max Stirner, Plato, and Epicurus
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>>8420187
>greatest
Naming them here would be a (You) magnet

>favorite
I like Kant and Schopie
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Camus. fight me.

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>Not an English major
>have to take Literature class as a requirement
>take American lit
>first day we talk about Twain and how he believes he was so great at writing a humorous story
>professor gives us first week assignment of writing a humorous narrative explaining why a student misses assignments
>Tfw fell for the college meme
>decide to take Don Quixote...
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>>8420156
It's because elitism is dead.
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>>8420156
No you're just a natural genius.
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>>8420156
>Are all universities this retarded
Johnny Cash was. Here's his poem about Bob Dylan.

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what's that postmodern book whose title is a four digit number?
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0129
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>>8420120
1Q84
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>>8420127
mistit

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I know /lit/ isn't my personal army, but I'm a non-native English speaker and I'm writing a paper on Christina Rossetti and looking for a definition.

How would you guys define the term 'sexual sacrifice'?

Is it the act of giving up sex (i.e. becoming a nun), or having unwanted sex (i.e. prostitution)?
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>>8420115
Sexual sacrifice is when you stay a virgin for life to gain wizard powers. Through the offering of sex to the NEET gods, a higher state of existence is achieved.
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>>8420115
i dont know the context but id say the first one
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>>8420124
>>8420126
I'm meant to be comparing Rossetti's Convent Threshold and George Bernard Shaw's problem play Mrs Warren's profession. The essay title asks to compare the way 'sexual sacrifice' is shown.

Obviously one is about repenting the sins of sex outside marriage, one is about the morals of prostitution. When I first read 'sexual sacrifice' I first thought of prostitution but I don't know if thats the right way to go about it.

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What do you listen to while you write?

What type of music inspires you to "take flight?"
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>>8420111
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really depends on what I'm writing mate.

If I'm writing a research paper, albums like the king of limbs really help me focus.

If I'm writing something in my journal I usually listen to Bob Dylan and Johnny Cash

If I'm trying to be extremely deep and philosophical in my writing then my favorite album is soundtracks for the blind
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>>8420111
nothing with much of a beat will work, but this is good writing music.

So I finally finished the first five books in the song of ice and fire series and am now patiently awaiting tWoW. So I was wondering if /lit/ has any opinions on these books? There are so many different things I love and hate about each I still can't decide how I feel about it as a whole.
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>>8420100
you're obviously new here or else you'd have picked up on the general consensus of genre/fantasy
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someone post the excerpt with the unnecessary and lazy onomatopoeia.
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Should probably delete this and post in the scifi/fantasy thread, or you're going to get berated by pseuds who hate fun.

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So I've been trying to write recently and I was pretty much surprised when I noticed that not a single fucking word has come out my fingers. I dont know, it seems like I'm always distracted by something and if there is nothing to be distracted by, well fuck it I just go and watch TV.
I got the whole idea, situations, scenarios, dialogues in my mind but I can't seem to focus and transfer them to the paper.
This is a sad moment in my life but I know it's not depression what keeps me from writing because I've been depressed before and that never...
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Just fuckin write. Also, you are afraid. You are hiding from something inside yourself by seeking constant distraction. Or I'm projecting. Either way, you gotta start writing down your good ideas, at least in a little journal or something. just write lil pieces.
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sometimes when I'm unable to write anything, ill just write a journal entry, but I'll attach some fictional aspect to it. It's usually pretty preachy and banal, but at least it's something.
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>>8420043
Yeah I guess you're right, I'm kinda afraid. I'll do that. Lil pieces, sure.
>>8420052
I'll try that as well. I'd try anything if it gets me to write.

Thanks to both of you

holy shit I have never hated this guy so much https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRUZTXHUSBU
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>>8420030
I'm in 1:30 so far and I do agree with the guy. Do you realize how fucking HUGE the average anon's backlog is. Considering that literature is not the only media in which one indulges in. Reading random shit by people would be a waste of time. Even if there was a hidden gem it would not be worth the mountain of shit.
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>>8418621
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/mu/ stop shilling

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is this real footage of nietzsche?
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No his sister faked it to ruin his reputation.
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>>8419928
thats not how his nose looks like in other pics
>>8419957
elaborate
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>>8419928
Absolutely fake. Equipment was too rudimentary in 1899 to do things like the smooth zoom you see at around 45 seconds. It would be remarkable in its execution otherwise, a good deal of attention to the details, but using such a famous picture as the basis for your shots also makes it kind of obvious that something is afoot.

I suspect there is some CG involved using the famous picture in OP over someone with a similar head shape.


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