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How do you feel about political correctness being enforced on authors today?

Worldcon editor Dave Truesdale was ejected from a panel after speaking about the culture of censorship that's being pushed among SFF communities.The event was recorded, and now Jonathan Straham who was instrumental in ejecting Truesdale has demanded the video not be released.

https://twitter.com/LissaKay/status/767128084600479744
https://twitter.com/MidAmeriCon2/status/767066848034689024

This case and the fallout on social media exposes a growing number of readers and writers...
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>>8419898
science fiction??
science shitshion :DDD
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if the video isn't released i don't think there's much here to talk about, regardless of how many times someone says he was just 'speaking out' and the panel is 'enforcing' such and such
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>>8419898
How can anyone perceive this shit as being anything but Stalinist? I literally can't imagine anyone being okay with this.

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Audiobooks thread?

Audiobooks thread. I'm still stuck in the US for the next 12 days, so I need fun stuff to listen to.

Stuff that I'll look forward to after getting some damn hard thinking work done.

Here's one I'm going through now. Carl Sagan, A demon haunted world(and a download link too)

https://thepiratebay.org/torrent/3964821/[Audiobook]_Carl_Sagan_-_The_Demon-Haunted_World_-_Science_as_a_
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If you want fun, go with Eragon or the First Formic Wars trilogy from the Ender's Game universe.
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I would also check out The Book of the New Sun audiobooks by Gene Wolfe, if you haven't already read the novels.
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>>8419896
Fug, I got to read that book for skool this semester.

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How accurate is this image?
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>>8419869
but I like Plath
she has a very refined raft
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>>8419869
As accurate as the typical infographic

100% accurate[\spoiler]
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If you want modern poetry that's good, I recommend David Tibet's shit. That man has some real talent.

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Are people who say nihilism can be overcome just in denial?
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>>8419863
they are in my diary
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Yes. You can distract yourself from it which could be seen as overcoming it by some folks
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In a few billion years the sun is going to become a red giant and destroy the planet along with anywhere humanity could conceivably reach... but it's almost inconceivable that humanity will even make it that long. This means nothing we do truly matters. We're not even a blip in the grad scheme of things.

Sure, that means nothing matters. But it also means what we do in our society is all that matters. The goings-ons of the grand universe are irrelevant. The fact that humanity won't exist that long, and the memory of our existence will die out in a couple...
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Most of good literature is just so damn gloomy, even if it isn't pessimistic or anything, it still tends to deal with serious subject matter. It gets heavy when it is all I read.

If I want to read to feel good every once in a while, to have a break from all this serious stuff, do I need to turn to genre fiction or god forbid, YA? Is there a way to find happy literature? It must surely exist.

tl;dr feel free to give recommendations to someone who needs to occasionally read happy books and sorry
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At Swim Two Birds
The Doctor is Sick
White Noise is funny but I wouldn't describe as happy lit
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I Am a Cat by Natsume Soseki
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>>8419855
Gravity's Rainbow is what you're looking for, my man. I'm more often disappointed by literature not being gloomy enough, so I can't relate with you. But Gravity's Rainbow is a book about making light of serious situations and it gets damn funny at times.

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Any good works of literatuare that involves cuckoldry? Preferably the protagonist getting cucked, but the other way around is also acceptable.
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The Dead
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>>8419854
The Canterbury tales are all somehow about cuckery
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>>8419854
Othello

What is this? I got through volume I and halfway through volume II and I can't follow it, because I don't care about anything that is going on. Why is this considered a masterpiece?
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Well if you don't care about it why are you reading it?
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I like the part where rome falls.
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Imagining Nietzche without the moustache always makes me weep. I wish I could ride a wooly animal

If you're so smart, why do you post on 4chan?
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To interact with my fellow intellectuals
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I'm not smart
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im not smart or intellectual, i just obsess over stuff and dont have any real connections with people.
i like the autistic and dry sense of humor this place has, sadly it doesnt work in real life.

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What are you guys thoughts of this book?
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>>8419732
Like MTW, it would be funny and enjoyable if you didn't know the person who wrote it actually believed the shit he was writing.
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>>8419732
>wtf I hate jews now
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>>8419732
DUDE
LETS
NUKE THE WORLD
LMAO

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Are Sherlock Holmes' stories worth reading?
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Yes, they are. If you like mystery novels.
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>>8419808
i don't know if i do because i've never read one .
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>>8419814
then read it and find out you retard

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>hey anon we are a national TV station and we want you to come over and make sense of this random sociopolitical situation on LIVE TV

How many books does one need to have read in order to feel confident when this happens?
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zero
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>>8419650
big if true
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>>8419646
Zero. The more someone had read and knew, the more certain they would be that they didn't have the answers to any complex question. Only ignorant morons think they can easily fix or quickly define such situations.

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I was never much of a reader in high school or college even. I detested the "mandatory reading list" and didn't bother to read most of the books until I was "free" to do so, if that makes sense. Being the casual I am I bought this book last week and I really enjoyed the main character's descend into madness. I also liked how there was no sad backstory to somehow excuse his behavior, which seems mandatory in television shows and movies.

Tl;dr I'd like to read more books about "bad" people losing themselves.
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I think you'd benefit from reading an analysis of the book. See what you caught onto and what you didn't. Then read your next book with a relaxed but keener eye.
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>>8419665

Are you saying I should've been more fascinated by how the writer tried to show how obsessed people were with buying stuff? Please elaborate. You can yell at me. I want to learn.
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>>8419696
No not necessarily. I can't really know what you extracted from the book but if you're just getting into reading it's good advice. Just mull over any book you read a little you know. See other opinions.

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I'm horribly afraid of being called pretentious.

How do I get over this?
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embrace it
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Do you know who cares too much about the opinions of other people? Pretenders. Just do your thing man.
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You don't be ashamed of doing whatever you like doing that people may call prwtentios.

Lots of people are just revolted by attempted displays of intelligence or earnest passion for creativity; they're just scared of being called pretentious or failures and so never try themselves.

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Which one? I can only get one and the complete works are expensive. Does the reader miss some good poems?
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C O L L E C T E D P O E M S
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>>8419614
This is the patrician's choice
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>>8419640
that looks great anon, thank you. My problem is deciding between more poems or less poems with plays and prose.

Discuss.
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looked up to the alien at first because he was badass and intelligent and compassionate

then he turned full retard with his little nudist cult

p gud muh human condishun :^)
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>>8419610
I know, right?
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>>8419620
yeah, early into the book I was like

>I'm going to strive to be a better person and become more disciplined.

It was truly an unexpected turn in the story

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What is this? I got about 550 pages in, and I can't follow it, because I don't care about anything that is going on. Why is this considered a masterpiece?
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>>8419572
Because you're a retard.
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>>8419572
Joyce is the Jackson Pollock of literature. FInnegans Wake is worse.

>>8419578
He didnt read it.
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>>8419572
In the early 20th century people were very preoccupied with being complete shitheads in the artistic world so we have stuff like this.

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ITT: Books that are funny or teach about humour
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I find Don Quixote funny as fuck
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Can humour be taught?
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Does anyone know where I could get a big zip file or something for an artists entire work? I looked on slsk for this painter, but, they don't always have everything.

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Question: Is descriptive prose redundant in the 22nd century.

A generation raised on visual media has seen all the wonders of the earth by their own eyes - what use have they in the 22nd century for descriptive prose.

A revolution in the written media then - as an inwardly focused, selfish generation begin to connect with one another the concepts and language they wish to communicate become more essential, more intimate.

Now the omniscience. instead of without, is, in fact, within - once you were the landscape, and you were once the cooling breeze, as well...
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>selfish generation begin to connect with one another the concepts and language they wish to communicate become more essential, more intimate.

If our descriptions shrink it will only be because our attention span shrinks.

Diction is for accuracy in conveying a certain feeling and experience. Patient readers know that a drawn-out description is probably necessary to describe a very particular experience that would simply be impossible in only a few short phrases.

I think you're correct in that authors may easily be able...
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>>8419694

from an evolutionary standpoint, you cannot communicate with a reader if they haven't already experienced what it is that is being communicated. Then whats the point? A writer putting finger puppets on your soul and enacting a punch and Judy, for what reason other than to converse the souls. When reading, a feeling is not created or imagined; it is simply remembered, and the reader makes a connect.

A writer could describe an abstract dream place by building blocks of language, using common objects or...
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Good books and/or series that started awesome but got weak.
>Enders Game 2: Speaker for the Dead.
First book. was the ultimate military novel. This was interesting, with it's Christian themes and stuff, but I literally had to stop reading near the end because everyone's just whining about the Truth, and how the Truth hurts us, but no it was secrets that hurt us, but you had no right to speak the truth, because it's a secret.

>Prey by Michael Chrichton
It builds up a shitton of mystery...
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>where we're going we don't need roads
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>>8419548
I would say the Bible.
>very cool creation myth
>creeping things that creepeth
And then there's like a list of names for a few dozen pages
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>>8419587
You talkin' about the movies or the books?
I never read the Back to the Future books, but the movie sequels were GOAT.

The first movie taken on it's own actually feels kind of brief and rushed, if you don't think of it as the first part in a trilogy.

The epic BTTF theme in the driving to the lightning scene is also kind of contrived excitement, that I only noticed the first time I saw the first movie without planning on watching the sequels afterwards.

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What does /lit/ think of Ezra Pound?
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>>8419480
mediocre. The reason poetry sucks so much these days.
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>>8419480
Love him
Great poetry died with Pound
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>>8419481
>>8419484
lol

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So my MILFy neighbor just got her book published. Wanted to share it with you guys. Also does anyone have any experience with local writers?

Maybe we can all share our stories here.
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looks le kwerky. i like it.
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>>8419487
Yeah I hope she makes it big. How neat would that be?
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>>8419474
bump4her

Hey /lit/,

I'm snooping around the apartment of a hipster girl I'm dating, and I'm wondering if she's patrician. I found small book/CD collections, and here's what she has:

> books
Robert Louis Stevenson - Kidnapped
James Joyce - A Portrait of the Artist As a Young Man
Stefan Zweig - Beware of Pity
Koushun Takami - Battle Royale
Joseph Campbell - The Hero With a Thousand Faces
Walker Hamilton - All the Little Animals
William Gibson - Count Zero
Haruki Murakami - Kafka On the Shore
Neal...
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>>8419439
her music taste > her lit taste but both are passable at best
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Murakami is shit, but otherwise she has good taste in books. The fact that she's got Ovid there should tell you that she's a keeper.
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yep OP has pretty good taste

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Oh hey what's up /lit/? I've had something on my mind recently and thought 'You know what? Who are the best bunch of people to ask when you've got a niggle in your brain? That's right. /lit/!'

The question I want to ask is : How right is /pol/ about everything?
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They are mostly right about the problems but absolutely delusional about solutions.
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>>8419427
They're right about a lot of what they say about Leftists. They're wrong about the Jews, they're wrong about Nationalism in the 21st century and they're wrong about racism. Not that I'm not racist, I just think it's a lot more complicated than ridiculous notions of 'black' and 'white'/

Neo-reaction in general is a bit tedious
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>>8419514
For a moment I thought you weren't racist there. Phew.

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I never read a book in my life because I never sent to school. Some people don't have the same luck as you snobs
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>>8419413
lmao shut up idiot
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Looks like you know how to read?
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>>8419419
Yea I at least have adopted parents

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How do melancholy anons find the motivation to write? I go through these bouts of depression and can't seem to get any work done. I sit down to write and the words feel jagged like they just won't fit together. Any tips?

And melancholy or not, what has been your experience with how your day to day emotional ups and downs affect your writing?
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>>8419407
I don't
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>>8419407
What has worked for me is just to sit and try to get work done anyway. Even if it feels awkward and forced. Eventually the feeling goes away and the fog lifts. In order to beat lethargy you just need to be active.
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>>8419407
By crawling out of your mangina long enough to get shit done.

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poetry critique thread, is this where i put this?

i feared all i was to be was the guy you dont take seriously
i tried to hide it all behind petty jokes
that always failed to impress you folks
now to some im just that guy that smokes
with failed dreams and high hopes
but no real ambition cause i failed the high school mission
due to shit tuition and by my own admititon a lack of motivation
but enough with excuses and explaining the causation
enough with that nerdy kid who needs an ego deflation
through a summer transformation and some social...
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1

Gather around, for we go in hell
We'll make a plan
To let this day meet our demand
With our hearts intact and
Our hands geld high
We'll rue the day
I know we will

We make it over and down the hills
Through shrapnel and led
Through echos of yell!

2

Love your brother
Carry him in your arms
If his blodd washes your face
Remember him, by his heart
But not by his dare
Or by his unfortune
But know him respected, know him by good work
Know that he died for us, and lived by his word
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standing in the bleak darkness in a fuel station at the beginning and the end of everything alone

we are all meat on the highway

jaundiced pig feet meat, cold and lifeless in the drizzle as men look on. the sternum snaps under the pressure like a man breaking a crab claw in half

red all over from a gash staining all red like a warning siren. mouth no longer a mouth but a gash into the meat

covered and hauled away like uncooked pork saved for later

finish filling your car with gasoline and head out into the darkness of eternity once again,...
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>>8420675
I wrote you a haiku

I call it "Etiology of an Anon"

Ahem


"Though your poems suck
Its snowing on Mount Fuji
Some things never change"

~Fin~

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What should I read before reading Heidegger's Being and Time?
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>>8419317
All memes aside, the Greeks. Particularly the Pre-Socratics. Also Kant, Hegel, general phenomenology. Seriously, just fucking go through chronologically. Will you end up understanding Heidegger? Probably not, but hey! You've got 2,000 years of thought under your belt.
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>>8419323
For the record, I've read a majority of the "required" reading for Being and Time and I stopped pretty early on because it was borderline insufferable - this is from someone who enjoys Phenomenology of Spirit and Foucault.
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>>8419332
Phenom. of Spirit gets a bad rap. It's difficult, but manageable. But I found my self absolutely frazzled by Being and Time. Don.t know what to tell you other than slog through it. Secondary literature perhaps? Dreyfus is apparently one of the top authorities on H.

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For example, reading part of a book in the morning, a part of another book in the evening.
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Are you autistic by any chance? May bi diá»…n ha
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No I only read one book at a time, and don't start a new one until I finish the current one. Even if I find the current book boring/above my level of understanding.

The only time I break this rule is with school books. If I have to read a book for school, I will read it alongside my book for pleasure, but the school book gets priority.
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I've used to read one "big" book at home and a pocket book on the bus, now that I stay home and drive I only read one at time, its way better this way, at least for me

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100 years from now what books will be considered the literary masterpieces of our time?
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i don't fucking care man
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>>8419292
afdsadfsdsafadfsafds;fa;afdsaldfladfsasldkjfhaslkdjfhaslkdjfhlaksjdhfaslfhasd
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my diary desu

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I bet you faggots actually like this pretentious piece of shit, don't you?
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whats it like? going to check out dubliners soon. is Ulysses worth reading on a cultural level? on a down to earth basis, memes aside
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>>8419179

It's 70/30 stagering genius/insufferable pretention.
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>3rd week of August


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