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I have founded a new philosophical school.

I consider all destruction of life to be morally just and all creation of life to be immoral.

It is taking the tenets of antinatalism to their logical end by removing the ingrained biases of conventional ideology.

My main objection to antinatalism in its prevalent form is that it is a form of liberalism, which makes it self-defeating.

By that I mean that antinatalists are generally people who are childless, want to remain childless for antinatalist reasons and want to convince others to do the same. They...
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>>8402296
Yeah I could get behind this except that we would lose. Humans are remarkably fucking hard to exterminate
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>>8402296
Sublime meme.
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>>8402296
>new

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Which is better for literature: French, or German?

I feel like French is probably better, but I might like German more. Then again, it's unlikely that I'll ever reach the fluency required to read either.
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>>8402275
French
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>>8402275
Russian
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>>8402275
both, and learn also Russian, Spanishj, Jap, Latin and Greek.

Can anyone recommend a specific edition for a decent collection of Shakespeare's biggest plays? I mean biggest as in most popular, but I just haven't read anything by him and am very curious to check out his stuff but BOY is there a lot of collections out there.

I know for sure I want to read Hamlet, but Othello sounded cool and I'm up for anything else I suppose.
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>>8402264
folger shakespeare library, hands down
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>>8403209
>folger shakespeare library
if this is a joke about the building then I laughed.

If it's an actual edition then I'm confus
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Only Arden.

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Where do you take your work for second opinions? I'm sure everyone here fancies themselves a fine editor but you can only improve your writing so far without external input.
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das a qute kitteh
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I mostly just stash all my writing away because I loathe it so much, drink myself silly for a couple days in despair, and then start over again on something new a few days later when I sober up.
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>>8402260
haha yeah

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I'm not even 100 pages into this and already there have been three independent descriptions of violent gay sex. Is Pynchon a faggot ?
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>>8402213
I think you're lying. The only gay sex I can think of within the first 100 pages is the scene with Blicero, Katje, and Gottfried. I'm not even sure if that's in the first 100 pages.
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>>8402213
Gay sex isn't gay if he says no homo
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>>8402220
It is in the first hundred pages, and so is the imagined nigger gangrape that Slothrop escapes from and the other guy who lives in "Red River Valley" and has masochistic sex with the "westwardman" Crutchfield aka Crouchfield.

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is this any good, I saw Malala read it so it really turned me off
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>>8402165
why, because he's a Brazilian bitch who doesn't like Ulysses?
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read it in high school.

It's absolute dogshit.
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>>8402161
>/lit/ - Literature

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What are some books similar to this? I never really liked STEM before reading this book but now I want more.
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Why don't you learn some actual math than read feel-good pop-sci treatises that get you nowhere? Sure, reading this crap makes you feel as if you just proved a 300-year unsolved mathematics conjecture, but in actuality your mathematical knowledge doesn't exceed that of a schmuck that is deeply confused about the associative law of arithmetic and why it works.

When will you Youtube pussy generation realise that understanding most fascinating things in the theoretical domain (GR, QM, Axiomatic Set Theory, etc.) doesn't come easy and requires hard work and...
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>>8402144
This book is not even good. It is amazing how retards get a hold of it.

Try 200 Puzzling Physics Problems and The New Emperor's Mind
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What can you tell me about him, /lit/
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>>8402133
Read Phenomenon of Man before Divine Milieu
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>>8402133
I thought I was the only one here who read him. Never got any reactions when I made threads about him. Anyway, very interesting guy. To try to connect science and religion (even more in that time) takes some balls. And of course he got shit from both sides, although the church eventually admitted that some of his ideas weren't that bad.
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>>8402133
Heavily influenced Marshall McLuhan.

/lit/ please tell me where to find college textbooks besides libgen otherwise I'll have to pay like 300 books for one, I know you autists are the only one who can help me
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>>8402110
amazon.com
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Try IRC and post the titles of your books, aside from libgen most places aren't public
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>>8402118
elaborate

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What is some very negative/nihilistic type stuff

Along the lines of Cioran, Ligotti, maybe Nick Land

This stuff is like candy to me for some reason

pic unrelated, a very optimistic person actually
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pls
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Forgot to mention Ray Brassier, anything similar to him would be good as well
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this board is useless

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DUDE UNIVERSAL RECONCILIATION
LMAO
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DUDE WHORES AS GFS LMOA
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>>8402069
DUDE ANTISOCIAL INTELLECTUALS
LOAM
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DUDE UNREALISTIC CONVERSATIONS

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Hey, /lit/, there was a thread a couple weeks ago about trying to start a new Goodreads group with the primary focus of actually maintaining an active user base.

The group will have group readings, discussions with some tiny amount of accountability of content posted, and writing assignments.

Here's the link to the group: https://www.goodreads.com/group/show/195303-lit-club

This is my first Goodreads experience, and we've got 59 members already. I think that around 100 we can get a self-sufficient source of literary discussion as long as a handful...
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Self-bump

On a side note, there's an open poll for our first group reading assignment, and I'm pulling for Tender is the Night by F. Scott Fitzgerald just because I happened to have recently purchased it. Kafka's The Trial and the Stories of Nabokov are the other frontrunners.
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>>8402077
if that's what you think it is presently, you have more than enough power to mold it. There's like two posts a day, and we'd be blessed to have your refined intellect to correct our wayward plebhood.

What I see is the potential for a /lit/ sans shitposting because of a lesser version of /lit/'s anonymity, i.e. we're still anonymous but what you post will have an effect on what you post in the future and how it's received.

It's like having a trip on here, but having a trip on here...
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>>8402090
I won't spend a second filling up what I've read, that's just way to time absorbing, so I'll try to stick to what I've read discussions

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Chaos is something that must be:
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embraced
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>>8402023
violently annihilated
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Anally violated

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What are some NEETcore books? Books about laziness and apathy.
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oblomov
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My diary
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Notes from underground, whatever, a confederacy of dunces, oblomov, etc.

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What's a book that explains things in a way that makes you say, 'yes, it finally makes sense now'? Puts things into words which explain the abstract feelings which you experience, but can't put into words? Puts them to color, light, texture, those obscure feelings which aren't even part of your 5 senses.
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>>8401896
Well there's the entire history of philosophy
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>>8401902
Be more specific.
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>>8401902
It would be an excellent idea to privide the authors name.

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> "Yeah, man, reading Deleuze changed my life!"
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>>8401888
He looks like a cool guy, I would definitely want to hear his opinions on Deleuze.
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>>8401888
What did he mean by this?
I'd like to see OP's body without organs t b h
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>>8401888

>guy looks happy
>anon flies into rage

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My prof gave us this quote and wants us to expand it in detail. Specifically, in 1100 words or less.

"Reality is malleable until you find satisfaction. Then you're a slave to your own standards."

I dont understand this.

>profs first time teaching...ever

Does this also warrant a concern? Because this assignment seems a little outlandish.
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>>8401883
That quote is getting at the malleability of disposition which accompanies the formation of a person's world view. After it is formed it is relatively unchanging for most people.

'satisfaction'- I think denial/acceptance is a better fit
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Talk about the superficiality in a seemingly profound statement. Connect it to your teacher's own attention disorder and compare his silly assignment to twitter.
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>>8401895
Hey anon, I kind of get what your trying to say, so thanks for that. But I cant get enough substance from this quote to write an 1100 word essay about it. Can you go into detail please?

So I'm getting into this book and I don't understand what in the fuck is going on in this first portion.

Is the narrator literally retarded or something, like what the fuck? The keep repeating words over and over like a fucking retard, I fucking can't read this. Is Faulkner retarded?
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Yeah, the narrator of the first chapter is LITERALLY retarded, but you're worse than him for not being able to figure that out
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>>8401882
you wanna fuck your sister if you wanna fuck your sister

you wanna fuck your sister if you dun wanna fuck your sister

is faulkner retarded?
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>>8401882
This is bait right?

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Can we have candid discourse on Rodger's "My Twisted World"?

I frankly think this work was incredibly valuable and cogent. We have novels like American psycho that described and critiqued the 'perfect' capitalist vitruvian man, from the inside. But this work explores with great candor how it is to be on the outside peering in and wishing to partake in the hedonism.

Rodger's story is an unhinged diatribe, true. But if you read it more deeply you can see a quite logical exposé of some of our modern society's norms. For example, Rodger touches on how sex and how it is distributed is incredibly primitive and archaic. Intelligence means nothing, only looks and power. And many people are the losers in the sexual game, as the poor are losers in the capitalism rat race. Through the book we see rodger driven insane by social alienation.

It really evinces some uncomfortable truths about society. We are told to be sympathetic for the financially poor and indigent. But when it comes to sex and the sexual and social economy we detest the aggrieved losers and venerate the strong because of our indelible primate instincts. Why does Chad, for example, 'deserve' his position any more than George Soros and the Koch brothers deserve their massive amount of capital and power over others at their expense?

It's clear there will be more Elliot rodgers. I firmly believe that if he had a decent childhood and got laid he would not have gone on his homicidal rampage. But if we just dismiss rodger's work instead of reading it closely and drawing parallels to the growing contingent of angry, virgin nerds, social losers in the modern computer-aided social meat market where social capital and appearance all that matters, more people will be killed.
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>>8401797
The work is an abysmal mess in itself, but I completely agree with what you are saying. Someone needs to write a novel about an Eliot Rodger, he would have to be made far more intelligent and interesting though. Eliot was a despicable autist, but the point that the sexual revolution has lead to an increase in virginity is not invalidated by his own awful personality.
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>he missed the repressed faggotry in both American Psycho and My Twisted World
>he's even OP
please start sucking cocks for your personal mental health.
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>>8401804
Exactly. Critiquing his prose and reading it like a novel is a mistake. You have to read it like a critique of sexual capitalism and social alienation in the modern era.

We need to find ways to help socially retarded losers like Elliot rodger integrate into society before they cause some real damage.

can this be read in -any- order?
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Is this even a good book? It seems extremely polarising.
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>>8401976
if you like cortazar, sure

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Is reading the greatest hobby ever?
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i prefer hunting and mountain climbing. but reading is great.
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Of the classical cannon of hobbies, it's easily top 5.
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Yes, right there on top with

fishing
hiking
playing an instrument
cooking
doing recreational maths
painting
writing
training pets
chess
tennis
hockey
soccer
sculpture
collecting postcards
stealing frozen yogurt
eating doughnuts
making friends
killing clouds
shaking hands
leaving sounds
making lens
piping leaves of grass
mate the world is fading away
I love you call the cops

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Hello /lit/,

Can anyone help me out here? I've read a handful of articles and of course the Wikipedia page on post-irony and I still haven't really found a firm definition on post-irony. Does anyone know of some good arguments for post-irony? Against?

Thank you,

Anon

P.s. This stems from watching Sam Hyde's stand up routines and being curious as to what exactly the hell he is up to. If anyone could clarify that would be helpful also. Please feel free to share any and all takes/opinions on either of these subjects.
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>>8401730
>Help /lit/ I don't understand my racist anti-comedy meme man!

>>>/pol/
>>>/his/
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>>8401752

You are stupid bro

>>8401730

Either you get it or you don't. And it's not fucking called post-irony.
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>>8401758
Alright, how would you define it? I'm not saying I didn't laugh, I just want to know more about the reasoning behind his comedic styling.

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Hi /lit/ I've recently heard about Dune and of what I've gathered it seems right up my alley.
I really like the foundation trilogy because of the way it portrays humanity and all it's potential, that's what drove me into it and that's one of the reasons I also like the 40k universe. I've heard Dune inspired 40k and I want to know with as little spoilers as possible what's Dune about and if it treats humanity and his palce in the universe with the same magnitude Warhammer and the foundation do.
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Dune does not treat the expansion of Human civilization as a good thing. Dune starts out with a rebellion uprising but then becomes an existential pondering on fate/destiny and the terribleness of power.
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>>8401708
>>8402385
It is generally said that AT MOST the first four books are worth bothering with. Anything after that is the original author's son or the original author's extended canon which I guess people see as unnecessary.

I've only read the first two, but I hear Children of Dune (the 3rd book) is bad.
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>>8402385
>Dune does not treat the expansion of Human civilization as a good thing.

I only read the first two books, but this also is my impression so far.

Just read the book(s), OP. I haven't read Foundation, and I'm only familiar with the 40k universe through casual lore reading and some of the video games. The two aren't really comparable at all, the only parts of 40k inspired by Dune are some aspects of the imperium of man and the emperor. Dune was the beginning...
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>It's a Mario chapter
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im at page 200 and i realllly don't know if i want to keep going
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>>8401674
Mario chapters are bite-sized my froggy friend.
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Wat book

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どの作家が一番好きですか?日本語を学んでいるひとですか?
Who is the best Japanese author? Is anybody here learning Japanese?
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Soseki.

Yes, I am.
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>>8401597
どのくらいですか?
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I like to beat my ペニス to 三島ー君 wwwww

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Everyone talks about 20th century translators (Faglets, Fitzgerald, Lombardo) but what do you think of 21st century translators like Powell?

Wouldn't their translations be more accurate and have better notes?

pic related
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>>8401501
>Wouldn't their translations be more accurate and have better notes?

How so?
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The more accurate translations of Dante are the older ones
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>>8401538
They can look at whatever problems and criticism the 20th century translations had and fix them or maybe they learned something new from anthropology or other fields.

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Not to be confused with honey... Is this an accurate definition of the word?

I'm aware its slang, so I guess the answer is subjective. Still looking for opinions, though.
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I vote yes.
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ugly or aging trannies who don't pass as women. They resort to using exaggerated "feminine" language like calling everyone "hon."
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>>8401491
it's a french laugh

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Does anyone here look forward to reading?

Like, you wake up on a weekend morning or you get home from work and you're like,
>oh boy oh boy I can't wait to read today!
and you beeline over to the book(s) you're currently reading for a nice session?

It's been a couple months now and that's still not happening for me. I'm trying to pick up reading as as hobby (cheap, can be done alone, not noisy, among other things) but I always have to force myself to do it. When I get a few pages in it's *ok*,...
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I get excited when I'm into a book. Like, I really, really wanna continue reading a story but I'm exhausted or my brain is just too tired to read more.

I don't allow myself to stop in the middle of chapters. I've figured out that just causes confusion. If you stop reading a book for a few months or even a week, going back in midway into a chapter will leave you confused to what is happening. So I only read full chapters. That causes me to become even more excited, because many chapters finish on some sort of cliffhanger.

I imagine if I wasn't...
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>>8401450
same problem here.
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>>8401450
I don't know I love it

After much personal deliberation I have reached the conclusion that I am going to be reading a version of The Epic of Gilgamesh.
Seeing as I will not be reading this text in Akkadian, i would appreciate the vast range of Lit knowledge to guide me on the path to the best translation.
Also ancient text thread.
What is your personal favorite?
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Andrew George by a longshot
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>>8402930
This desu. The Penguin edition is on libgen, along with the Oxford one (I think?) which has the parallel text, also edited and translated by George.

Aside from George's introduction, is there anything else one should read to gain a better understanding of the context in which Gilgamesh was written and also its cultural and literary importance?
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>>8402973
Genesis from the Bible. Especially the flood parts and the part with Nimrod [Gen 10:10] (who a lot of people think IS Gilgamesh, but probably isn't)

Read any funny books lately?
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>>8401414
my diary desu
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>>8401414
I love comics! But they don't make them in black and white like they used to.... except the japanese ones, but those ones aren't funny....
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I just finished The Pickwick Papers, my first Dickens novels, two days ago. Not very funny, but definitely amusing throughout. I'm looking forward to Oliver Twist in the future, especially since it's more of a standard novel than a travelogue.


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