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Is there anything wrong with making explicit reference to works of pop-culture in your novel? What about direct references to other novels?

Is it considered postmodern or just shitty writing?
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In all forms of media, pop culture references need to be done carefully. I'd recommend to only reference works already thought of as classic, and less likely to make your work seem aged. Unless you want your work to be distinctly of a certain time period, which in that case obscure references could build realism.
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Thanks for the reply anon. What about a cyberpunk work referencing Blade Runner? After all that is the canonical work of the genre
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>>8401355
Pynchon does it so it's for sure not shitty writing. But as always it depends on how it's done, I mean look at Ernest Cline as an example how not to do it

If a book is build on them then it will always suck (Ready Player One)

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Who else has trouble reading fiction because they feel like they're wasting their time while they could be learning something?

For movies and TV I don't feel bad about fiction since it's not a huge time investment, but when it comes to listening to books for most fiction I feel like I should be spending my time bettering myself or becoming more knowledgeable about something.
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I learn a lot when I read fiction. I feel like I have a pretty good grasp on how the gentry lived in the 1800s in the UK and Russia, for example.
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>>8401352
Do you even read fiction? Cause you really pick up on lots of stuff when you read fiction. It's not as specific as in non-fiction obviously but you really broaden your knowledge by reading it.

People always seem to be impressed by my general knowledge and all I do basically is read fiction
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I feel the same way about talking to people who can't appreciate fiction, OP. Why waste my time talking to a person with no soul or personality?

Is there any kind of redeeming quality to this book?

I'm looking for reasons to not drop it midway, I'm finding the prose mediocre and his content superficial. Maybe it's a deficience I have and I'm missing something here.
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It's mostly social context
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>>8401305
Well, I've gotten that, but it's not interesting to me. Is there anything else that could be of interest here?
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>>8401314
Drop it

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NRx is the logical conclusion of Postmodernist theory

Patchwork = Pastiche, Heterotopia, radical geopolitical eclecticism.

Rejection of metanarratives = The past as ideas space, seeking influence in reactionary philosophy, Carlyle etc.

NRx trichotomy, Moldbug's textual irony and humor, co-founder, like Foucault et al has Marxist influences. Rejection of Leftist inertia in French theory, embrace of Capital as self-legitimising metanarrative, absolute fragmentation.
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it's shit like this that scares me from studying philosophy
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I've watched tons of Millennial Woes vids and none of them were about any of that shit desu
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>>8401276
Wat

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What are the best fiction books that are anti-hedonist/anti-apathy? Books that deal with our modern day hedonistic, and apathetic society, and how it has lead to the downfall of culture, as well as the gradual increase of the corporate grasp on the world?
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>>8401274
My diary desu
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>>8401274
All of them
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Nicomachean Ethics
Meditations

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From the moment I met you, all those years ago, not a day has gone by when I haven't thought of you. And now that I'm with you again, I'm in agony. The closer I get to you, the worse it gets. The thought of not being with you...I can't breathe! I'm haunted by the kiss that you should never have given me. My heart is beating, hoping that that kiss will not become a scar. You are in my very soul, tormenting me. What can I do? I will do anything that you ask. If you are suffering as much as I am, please tell me.
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Reads pretty well this way.
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>>8401241
agreed, the performance was just kind of shit
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>>8401249

The directing and production (incl greenscreen) did not lend itself to the best performances

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Who /midway upon the journey of his life/ here ?
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How do we know if we are there or not? If I'm mid way now I won't even make it to 60. I always wanted to be a healthy, strong, cognizant 60 year old like my former wrestling coach.
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>>8401167
>How do we know
Teachers come when we are ready for them, anon.
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>>8401167
Don't tell me you haven't read Inferno

>only 1/10ths of Africans can contribute to society

Was he racist?
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>>8401086
depends on if that opinion was a descriptive approximation, or a normative prediction
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That sounds rather high
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>>8401086
I know this is bait, but it deserves to be explained

You're referencing his talented tenth idea. It's closely related to the number of African-Americans in the South who could be realistically expected to gain enough literacy to attend the black colleges W.E.B Dubois supported building. The talented tenth would then devote their lives to educating the rest of the southern black population in abject poverty gain literacy. It was an idea designed to create a class of educated black elites who could steer the black population of America to a more equitable place in U.S. society.

Doctor Copeland from McCuller's The Heart is a Lonely Hunter can be read as prototypical member of the "talented tenth" who struggles to deliver his family from abject poverty and ignorance.

Pretty quality shitpost tho

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have you ever bought a used book and there was writing in it? post them please for some reason I find it really interesting when I come upon it
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definitely a grills handwriting, i wonder if you can track her down and kidnap her to become yur wafiu ^.~
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Have a lot of used books, so this is in a lot of my books. Close at hand is this copy of the heart of the matter. There's the same writing in my copy of women in love.

So is it possible that Hamlet was his own father's ghost?
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sure.
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yes, and i can prove it by algebra
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>>8401029
What about horatio and the guard seeing it?
How did hamlet know his uncle murdered his father?

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Where can I buy a nice pen?
I am in Denver and do not want one from the interwebs but rather brick and mortar shoppe
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At a pen shop?
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>>8400881
Why don't you want to order online? You'd have such a better selection.

Anyway,
http://www.coloradopen.com/
http://www.paradisepen.com/
http://www.shopcherrycreek.com/directory/montblanc
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>>8400926
I want to feel the pens.
I think paradise pen is the closest.
Not looking to spend more than 20 to 30 bucks though so might just settle for office depot or some such.

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What does /lit/ think of Robert Louis Stevenson?
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>>8400825
never heard of him senpai
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>>8400831
lmao sure
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comfy

>you will never hide in the heather and crawl around Scotland with your pirate buddy

hello /lit/, there's an eight year-old kids next to me who claims he read all literature there is to read.

I'll ask him questions you post here and reply with his answers.
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can i fuck your tight, virgin boipussy ?
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>>8400817
>>>/b/
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Is IJ a meme book or a real masterpiece ?

YYAAAAAAAAAAAWN
*lips smacking sound*
What a jolly good morning for a NEET! I wonder what I'll do first today, betwwen finishing my dawn-of-the-next-century baroque novella or rewrite Finnegans Wake in a more obscure fashion, maybe even translate a play from the Middle age.

Huh? What's that? Who's there? OH! It's only you, wagieslavie! I almost hadn't notice you, you're so easy to miss though. What are you doing here during plain day light hours? Shouldn't you be in mr Shekelstein's office sorting trivial documents and wishing...
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>implying you do anything other than shitpost and jerk off to anime
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>>8400828
I sell my vintage arlequin collectible books online for about 100$-200$ online, not only that but I only consume the best and top notch of litterature, notably the Bronte sisters and Vilier de l'Isle Adam. I also write books for a living and am pretty succesful with my poetry branch.
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>>8400805
~ slack tight, frogger ~

Is the NEET the hermite of our century?

I fear I'm starting to agree with this handsome motherfucker, please recommend me some economic garble from the other side of the fence to balance it all out.
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>>8400796
Lol there aren't two sides to every argument; sometimes one interlocutor is just right
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>>8400796
Bumping this because I've been meaning to read it and want recs.
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>>8400796
Neat title.

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Hey /lit/ so I want to quit my job and write full-time, but I don't want to be NEET and I have no other way of staying alive.

My question is, are there any illnesses (other than autism) I can purposefully succumb to that will allow me to not work and that will also not kill me.

I've been looking into lupus (Flannery O'Connor), lyme disease and tuberculosis (Kafka) and the latter seems like a pretty good one but it isn't really that popular in this century.

Any tips? Advice?
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asperger or autism? maybe severe depression or other shit that cannot be easily diagnosed
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Trust me, you don't want lyme disease
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>>8400779
I'm pretty sure I am autistic (probably not aspergic since I have extremely self-aware and empathetic) and it's very likely I'm depressed, if not severely, already. I'm looking for physical ailments really, mental ones are a bit difficult to pull off.

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>Many years later, as he faced the firing squad, Colonel Aureliano Buendía was to remember that distant afternoon when his father took him to discover ice...
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Post your feet
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What am I to do with this?
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>there is laughter in the vestibule of the temple, the echo of laughter in the temple itself, but only faith and prayer, and no laughter in the holy of holies

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Post your Uni and reading list!
>SFU
- its ight, decent group of students, and not the pretension that UBC profs have
>Reading List:
WASTE LAND, PRUFROCK & OTHER POEMS
WAITING FOR GODOT
SLAUGHTERHOUSE-FIVE
HAMLET
FRANKENSTEIN
CANTERBURY TALES
BEOWULF
BOOK OF MARGERY KEMPE
And a few math textbooks
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UBC

Reading list:
Short stories of Melville
The liberation of Jerusalem
Annals
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I don't go to a Uni....
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Unemployed

The Western Canon
and a few PUA handbooks

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Who is greater: Milton or Shakespeare?
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>>8400652
Stylistically: Shakespeare
Intellectually: Milton
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>>8400652

Shakespeare, by far
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>>8400652

Milton, by far

I am very disappointed in this play. The characterization is abysmal. I can tolerate Draco calling Harry "harry" instead of "Potter". I can tolerate Scorpius and Albus being geeks. Fuck I'll even accept a grenade. But when Albus called Ron "Ron" instead of "Mr. Weasley" it broke the camel's back. This is not canon. Not even close.
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All those Wizard books are shit and you deserve to be conned for buying obvious fanfiction. Grow up.
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.When I first got it, I stayed up all night to read it. I almost convinced myself that it was rad as hell, too. But the more I thought of t, the more I realized how many false notes the characters hit. Draco was fucked, and the whole friendship between him and Harry was cringeworthy. It read like a slash fiction where they never ended up fucking.

I actually liked Albus and Scorpious, though (even though Albus was just Harry Lite). I didn't mind reading those parts. But the parts with the established characters were almost intolerable.
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>>8400663
Agreed. I've always wanted a sunny Scorpious so I don't mind that too much either. But some of the parts in this script is too much. It's too american in a way. Too modern compared to the wizard world.

>>8400661
Nuh uh, they aren't shit you are. But yes, I deserved it. It was a moment of weakness.

Is this the clearest attempt at bridging the gap between video games and literature yet?
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I've seen this posted before. Is it a meme? Is it entertaining?
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>>8400626
it is a meme
it is entertaining too
can be described as a play adaptation of a role playing videogame
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>>8400626
Read the opening paragraph on amazon. It's a terrific detailed foray into the mind of an autistic man.

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I want to read east asian poetry, should I choose to learn Chinese or Japanese? Does anyone know a bit about their poetic traditions?
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read wuxia instead
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>>8400617
Bump
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>>8400617
go with japanese. just read about kobayashi issa's life and it should be enough to convince you.

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I wanted to research a little more about idealism. Any books you can recommend?
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>>8400588
Just stick to ur ideals man. B urself, follow ur dreams: no book can teech you that
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>>8400588
Read up on Hegel and Schopenhauer
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>>8400588
Why is your pic one of Plato?

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You guys know any good books on buddhism?
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>>8400572

I just read Buddhist Texts by Penguin Classics. It was alright. The Dhamapadda is ok too, and the Konjaku Monogatari Shu is basically Buddhist propaganda.
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>>8400572
i thought those were sushi rolls at first
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What The Buddha Taught by Wohlpal Rahula or something. Good short book and probably the best intro to Buddhism you can read.

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Does it surprise you that environmentalist literature isn't a bit more fashionable nowadays?

The ways in which we're fucking the planet are many and varied. This isn't a secret, everyone is at least vaguely aware of it, but we don't particularly care. We can see the cliff edge and we're apathetically plodding on towards it.

I can understand why romantic depictions of the natural world such as those of the transcendentalists might be seen as a bit corny today. But do you think we'll see a more pragmatic style of environmentalism in...
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>>8400568
By the time we're in deep enough shit to start caring, art will be a luxury that few can afford
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>>8400568
>the environment
too spooky
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>>8400568
No because this ge faggots is too self absorbed to care about anything except in passing so that they can be seen "caring" and never actually have to commit in any way.

Having spent this year reading Murakami and whacky existentialist french philosophers, I'm feeling a bit out of touch. I've been recommended to check out Greene's Art of Seduction to help me out, and I could use a break from the genre.

The only thing I can find about it is on seddit, and all they ever say is to read "models" by manson instead of any other book. I can't get an answer because of their cult towards that book.

So is The art of seduction a decent read? Is there anything to really get out of it?
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>>8400529
I don't know how much these books really help, I think personality, how you carry yourself, and how you're driven seduce women alot more than actively trying to pick them up. It's more what you do and how you carry yourself than it is walking up to a girl and saying something.
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>>8400552
I'm looking to get other stuff out of it, not "getting the girl" but rather how to be an appealing and charismatic person as a whole. I'm pretty good with people, but I'm losing my edge.

As a stem guy, it's not as important usually, but I need to learn how to be more socially active. For example, in college I'd just do my work and get good grades, but I'd see other students chumming up to profs which landed them connections and opportunities.

Of course, I wouldn't...
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So I just finished Matter by Iain M Banks earlier today.

That ending.

THAT
FUCKING
ENDING

Hory sheet.

Why is Banks/The Culture so good?
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How did Matter end again? Was it the sister getting beheaded by defense drone things in the core of the planet or was there more after that? It's been ages.
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>>8400537
Just the whole latter segments

the evil robot nuking everyone
the culture ship blowing up along with the defense ship
the sister detonating her antimatter to kill the evil robot

Shit was fucking intense, much more so than the other Culture books i've read.
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You will never kiss a sentient Iln machine unleashed by idiot archaeologists and intent on the destruction of your homeworld and those like it in the Glasgow manner.

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What happened to Ishmael after chapter 21 of Genesis?

Is his life ever covered in depth in other texts?
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>>8400513
Ishmael begat Islam, so there
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>>8400513
He joined the Pequod gang.
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Trying to think of a decent Moby dick joke

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>Sonne bräunte seine lichten Schultern am Flußufer, beim Bade...
>...Schatten floß in seine schwarzen Augen im Mangohain...
>...wenn sie ihn sah, Siddhartha, den Starken, den Schönen, den auf schlanken Beinen Schreitenden...

I didn't know this was a homoerotic novel. First page and already he's jerking off to him bathing and having nice legs and dark eyes. He fucks that nigga Govinda at the end, doesn't he?
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>projecting this hard
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>>8400684
i dont know about you, but i certainly am hard and i will soon be projecting
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>>8400684
Don't have anything against all that stuff, I was just surprised it was gay.

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This book worth reading?
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>>8400464
yes of course it fucking is
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>>8400464
no of course it fucking isn't
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>>8400477
ok thanks


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