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>muh decay
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>muh entropy
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>muh death
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>Much selfishness.

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>it's written boring on purpose because that's life, man!

What a bunch of shit. At least his short stories are like, 5 pages long.
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>>8400431
It's a bit like my diary desu.
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>The Sun Also Rises is so boring, man!

What a bunch of shit.
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>>8400469

There was some cool parts but most of it was

>We walked over here and then we ate at this cafe and then we talked to this dude and then it started raining....

I don't get it.

I know Hollywood screws a lot of books but I still hope they'll adopt "x" book into a good movie or tv show. Are there any you want?

I'm still waiting for a good, accurate Oz movie. Animated or live action, I don't mind. I would like a series of adaptations. The first book, Ozma of Oz, maybe Glinda of Oz...The Mysterious Benedict Society is also another series that would work well for adaptations.
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I wish they would make more original screenplays and stop leaching off books, comics, sequels and remakes.
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More xenofiction books should be adapted. The problem is, most fall into the category of "Okay for children's literature but not children's films".
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>>8400601
my dick is curious

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these are the only 4 philosophers that matter
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>>8400324
Nah
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Who's the 4th? I only see 3.
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>>8400324
Karl Marx was not a philosopher.

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what kind of books should I give my precocious budding niece who is an avid reader
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>>8400214
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>>8400214

Lolita
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Gormenghast

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What is the best annotated version of Ulysses?

Could I get by using just the notes provided in the Oxford edition?
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>>8400210
yep
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>>8400210

depends on what you mean by "get by"

desu don't use notes on the first read
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>>8400210
This and Penguin's Annotated Student Edition

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Did you have more or less respect for Obama after reading his book, Dreams from my Father?
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Exact same amount of respect after not reading his book, Dreams from my Father
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Fuck Barry Soetoro and his Islamic communism.
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I'm a poltard but I think Obama's audacity book showed him as reasonable.

Are any political memoirs worth reading? Tony Blair's ones weren't hugely interesting.

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Guys, intellectually I'm all spooked out. I can't stand philosophy because of all the unfalsifiable garbage. Many fields like economics etc are just applied common sense and stamp collecting. I see novels as nothing but entertainment despite pretentious people claiming life / philosophical insights and tonnes of people will consider you a disgusting plebeian if you don't initially read shitloads of boring as fuck canon novels.

I think I am painfully adapting to the idea of the Internet age / information overload by abandoning any pretension that I can be...
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>Economics.
>Applied common sense.

You have a lot to learn my friend. Its anything but that.

Try reading real nigga macro/microeconomic theory rather than supply and demand bullshit and political treatises by hacks.
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>Many fields like economics etc are just applied common sense and stamp collecting

Idiot. Didn't read the rest.
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>>8400158
Reading just made me want to fish, it seems fun and relaxing.

You need to stop taking yourself so seriously, you're the pseudo intellectual one.

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I thought this series would be embarrassing furry trash but it's actually pretty dang good. And dark, much darker than I thought.

Anyone else like Warriors? I'm only reading the original Firestar books for now.
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underage
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can I read this as an adult
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>>8400165
Sure, unless your mental faculties have somehow deteriorated to a preschool level.

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Do you judge books by the cover?
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Well, I don't judge a book by its cover, but it is natural to prefer a book with an aesthetic pleasant cover. Like when being in a library and I see a book with an attractive spine, I will be automatically called to pick it up to check the cover, and if the cover is attractive, I will be interested in learning about it.
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Literally or figuratively? Either way, yes. Some heuristic is necessary.
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>>8400110
i'd read that book judging by its cover.

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How do you cope with the fact that everything is phony (inb4 dismissed for being like Holden)?

Literary theory is bs made up so that people can leech off of academia and get easy degrees.

Social scientists are idiots and weaponised by dishonest journalists as the new secular prophets telling people what to think / why they're shit.

Morality is never practised. A politician who kills innocent people is more popular than one who says politically incorrect things.

So many current novels are merely narcissistic barely disguised memoirs or written...
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Hmm maybe OP has a point. That first sentence was a bit edgy, let's give him a chance.

>Literary theory is bs

Stopped reading.
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Sounds like the rant from the first episode of Mr. Robot
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>>8400099
By laughing at it.

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Is this good?
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>>8400038
It's absolutely magnificent.
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>>8400109
Tell me more, anon
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read the fucking book

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The only proper books I've read were Catcher in the rye, Dubliners, Fahrenheit 451 and a few others I can't help to remember right now. These are the books I've gathered I'm interested in. Is it a terrible list?
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>>8399976
Don't touch IJ or GR yet. Don't listen to anyone else telling you to. Tackle them after you've read like... 50 other books or so.

Look into an actual Plato reading order.

Atlas Shrugged isn't hard, but it's fairly retarded and hilariously long.

Crime + Punishment is an all-time top book, make sure you get a good translation. It's also a fairly easy read, just pay attention to who the characters are.

Dune is fine too.
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>>8400000
Dude, nice get.

Anyways thanks for the advice. Would you have any other suggestions for a pleb?
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It isn't terrible, but if you really don't have too much baggage when it comes to literature you should avoid IJ and GR, Ayn Raind will be a waste of time, Dune can be fun, expecially if you didn't read a lot yet, its decent genre fiction.

Of this list go for C&P first, maybe read some "light" Dosto first, like eternal husband, notes from the underground and the house of dead. His works are really well rounded and you can get a lot out of Dosto, Also read The idiot and Brothers Karamázov after C&P.

I would suggest some smaller...
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in all aspects
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Who
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No, but she's a good writer
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>>8399948
I love Toni Morrison

but no...just no

Do you load all the books on there or just a few and organize?
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I put books on there when I feel like I might want to read them soon then I take them off when I have finished.
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I just stack them.
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>>8399900
I tried organising onece, and then I figured that I mostly read only two at a time, so I now just pour everything on that I think I'll read, and when mem is full, I dump everything and start again.

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Wir haben bereits einen Französisch Faden—was mit Deutsch?
Post best German writers, discuss your learning progress, discuss the language.
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Die wahre Religion.
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shut the fuck up and speak proper gooblety gook you nazi prick
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>>8399878
*französischen
lern deutschen, Neuschwuchtel

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imagine a hipster read this book

>TRIGGERED
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the people who need to read this book the most are those who'd never actually sit down and read it. they might wikipedia it/look up some commentaries and summaries, but never actually read it. and there's something terribly sad and banal about that.
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>>8399875
This. It's nearly (though unfortunately not entirely as Franzen's godawful mr. Difficult essay shows) impossible to get through without a great deal of self awareness.
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>>8399860
i read it lmao
it was hard but i did it

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Here I go /lit/...

Is there a particular order I should begin at? Anything I am missing for now?
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Do whatever the fuck you want. I don't know what you're trying to do so I don't know what you could be missing.
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>>8399871
Well I am new to reading so i started with the 'Starter Pack'
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>>8399879
just pick one and read. if you dont like it keep at it, if it gets insufferable move on to another one. if you go through ~5 and you hate them all find another hobby.

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WHAT THE FUCK! 1,100 PAGES AND NO FUCKING CONCLUSION!!!

What happened to Hal?
What happened at the Whataburger?
Did Hal and Pemulis take the DMZ?
What happened to Gately?
What happened to EVERY SINGLE FUCKING CHARACTER IN THE BOOK? NOBODY FUCKING WATCHED THE MASTER TAPE, AND WE NEVER GOT TO SEE IF THE A.F.R FOUND THE MASTER TAPE.

REEE.

It was a 5 star book but I feel like DFW was thinking "haha lol! think of your own conclusion dude. I wrote 1,100 pages! Way too hard to tie this shit up. Its gone on long enough!"
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>>8399825
>book called Infinite Jest
>expects the book to end unjestingly

Read the first chapter again.
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>>8399825
>he doesn't realize the title is a reference to the scene in hamlet where yorick's head is dug up, implying they dig up joi's head
>he doesn't realize the book itself is the master tape
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>>8399837
>he doesn't realize the book itself is the master tape
this is objectively incorrect

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I'm looking for quality books which may help me understand my strengths, preferences for learning etc. Does anything like this even exist?
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Such a shit thread. Jesus christ. Please delete.
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Nope, you have to do things to determine your baseline competence at them.

Even then "natural talent" is horseshit, you just accumulate skills over your lifetime, and by the time you're old enough to be cogent of your own personal skillset you've already begun to specialize towards tasks that interest you.

Persevere in whatever field you desire and skill will come.
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>>8399806
First you must learn that you don't know anything yet. Start with Greeks.

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>I read.
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>yes, I would, indeed, describe myself as an avid reader!
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>haha, no I don't read for plot, a serious reader such as myself only reads for the prose!
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>>8399775
>I don't read.

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What is the best edition of Moby Dick?
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I prefer legible copies free of printing errors and unstained with human bodily fluids or foodstuffs overall.
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>>8399727
But does it have good annotations?
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SPLIT YOUR LUNGS WITH BLOOD AND THUNDER

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Life can be joyous and wonderful. I never believed this would be true of my own life until I resigned from my job and moved out here to my grandparents' cabin on the outskirts of Haugesund.


What /lit/-related things did you do this weekend?
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On Saturday
Anna had stayed over the previous night. We cooked a pizza covered in large black olives. I hadn't eaten olives in over a year and delighted at the taste, and she insisted that I eat them all. I felt guilty at having expressed my delight and perhaps pressured her into sacrificing whatever fondness she herself had for them, but still she was serious enough and so I ate all the olives, though I made sure to compensate for her selfless gesture by cleaning the kitchen and fetching two glasses of water filled with ice cubes to our bed later on. The bedroom is...
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On Sunday
Anna and I rode bicycles belonging to one of her grandmother's neighbours down along the water to Slåttevik and then, spontaneously, we decided to keep cycling over to Hervik, where we sat on a bench and ate ice cream while our bicycles rested against each other, an image which to me appeared to suggest they were a pair of working class lovers, that is to say we were their employers in some form of manor house while the bicycles were two servants, a male and a female, who embraced each other while we weren't looking. Anna told me her thoughts on the writing of Michel Houellebecq, and I felt a great surge of pride because I have read much of his writing and have formed a rather elaborate opinion myself, which I only summarized in a way that would not appear patronizing in response to Anna's own short speech on the matter. I did however feel something of a need to explain that, as hideous and mean-spirited as many of Houellebecq's male characters and narrators appear to be, a degree of empathy is necessary to view them as defeated and bitter men often rightly contemptuous of contemporary society, rather than simply evil individuals who serve only to espouse the disgusting beliefs of the novel's author. We sat in silence for a while and it was worth as much to me as an intimate conversation. After a while she patted my thigh and kissed my neck and we first walked beside our bicycles then cycled back to her grandmother's. Her grandmother made us dinner and then I left them to return to my cabin. I watched the movie "The Comedy" and it effected me the way few movies do, inducing a sense of guilt and self-disgust despite its laconic dialogue and sparse plot. It reminded me of the movie "Slacker" by Richard Linklater, which was similar in its slowness but almost inverted in its moral "message", in the sense that "Slacker" appeared to primarily critique the corporate culture dominant in the 1980s (though it did not portray the eponymous slackers in the movie as faultless by any means) while "The Comedy" attacks the slackers themselves, or their contemporary equivalent, which serves to provide very uncomfortable viewing for the kinds of individual who are likely to watch such a movie. Last night I wrote a short story about two neglected teenagers who build a home of sorts in an abandoned community center near their home.
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I've been writing for about a month of two now. I feel like I've really begun to move forward with my aspirations and life. Im much happier now and I think it's having a positive effect on my life as a whole. My actual writing itself isn't the best yet. Though I feel I have all my ideas in place, my prose is pretty bad. Do you have any tips on how to improve prose?

im just reading an introductory book to the philosophy of martin heidegger ?

is it just due to the abbreviated nature of an introduction that his thaught seems like arational mystical storytelling ?

or is this a general problem of continental philosophy ?

and could you list some entry-level works of continental philosophy that dont totally lack small argumentative steps towards formulating a position ?
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>im just reading an introductory book to the philosophy of martin heidegger ?

Really makes you think
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>>8399674
damn...
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>>8399674
sorry that question mark was a typo

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>send some poems to local magazine
>indigenous with a white name, born on a reservation
>write about my childhood and the turmoils of growing up mixed-race
>editor scolds me for appropriating native American culture

liberalism was a mistake
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>>8399639

desu that's what you deserve for attempting to kiss their ass by writing about such a subject
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>>8399639
Then you prove your heritage and sue them for racism. Learn to use the liberalism.
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>>8399639

looks like rick owens' dad

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what's the real difference in novel writing vs screenplay writing
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one is done on the typewriter and the other is done on a computer
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>>8399612
One was once fine art and is now the medium of plebs, the other pretty much always was.
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>>8400549
>Medium for aristocrats
>Plebs
memeing aside I think both were fine arts, but screenplay degenerated a lot quicker into mediocreness

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What went wrong?
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Nothing, its a great book.

Or did you mean the main character?
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>>8399717
>did you mean the main character?
Yes.
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>>8399723
He understood that normies are evil

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https://www.4chan.org/banner-contest/lit
>tfw bad banners
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>>8399605
I kind of like a couple but yeah these mostly suck
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needs katie, joker rape, please no corn father, or commentaries on gallic wars read/expected/got
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i like the one with the dictionary lol

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Hey e/lit/ists, I am writing a medieval low-fantasy novel.
Assume these things are applied:
- Matriarchy because women have more magic power than men.
- Normally, women are the ones who initiate relationships, sex.

So I need some suggestions for this:
- How should pregnancy work?
>Pregnancy gives women more magic power?
>Change how does the pregnancy work, like... men are the ones who can be pregnant.
>?

I am not a native English speaker. Should I make...
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Can you give us an idea of the plot? Pregnancy giving women power isn't that original. (Not that it has to be.) I think a bit of plot would make this question easier.
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>>8399588
mpreg is always the way to go, gotta tap that fetish audience
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Honestly?

This sounds gross and fetishy, have you tried talking to /tg/ about it?

Theyy We love that shit over there.

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"This is not writing, this is Barbara Cartland - and Barbara Cartland at least has the courage not to commit hara-kiri over it."

-On Yukio Mishima

/lit/ blown the fuck out
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>>8399577
>non-entity says something about an entity
?
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>>8399592
>Peter Ackroyd
>non-entity
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>>8399577
>it may be that Nabokov is fascinated by his own work, and so continues to harass and worry it in order to extract some key or secret code which will justify it all; or, more probably, it may be that his talent has long since atrophied and he is condemned to the constant reworking of his original material, to press some scent out of the already heavily pressed flower […]. When a novel strives too hard to become literature, it falls into literariness. Nabokov’s words are hollow and external,...
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