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>philosophical problems are misunderstandings of language

How do people actually believe this shit? It's obvious that any kind of philosophy involves unempirical assumptions.
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Is this pasta? I swear I've seen this post before

Anyway. What is a decent Wittgenstein book to start with?
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>>8397961
I started with Tractatus, haven't moved on from there yet. Gonna read PI next.
Anyway it was fine to read, though I did read "The Logic Manual" and "Language, Truth and Logic" first.
Tangential but I'd rec "Goedel's Proof" by Nagel and Newman w.r.t logic in general
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>Whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must be silent.

Is this supposed to be profound? If you can't speak of something you're gonna be silent of it anyway. What a dumb sentence.

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hey smart people what do the freemasons do? got any information on these guys? any good books that blow their secrets. should I try and become and member?
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become a member if you're rich or influent and want to meet other rich and influent people
otherwise don't bother
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>>8397270

They do very little except share slightly metaphorical lore with one another, and lots of charity stuff and cool kids club stuff and that's pretty much it. They're not even allowed to do real magick except in the offshoot non-official lodges.
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>>8397275
>influent

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I just finished this, would love to have a discussion about its different themes.
What do you think Williams meant to symbolize with his constant use of light/dark being described in the text?
Do you think there is any significance in Stoner being referred to by his last name the entire time?
Whatre some of your favorite passages?
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>>8397207
>Do you think there is any significance in Stoner being referred to by his last name the entire time?

Americans do this all the time, apparently
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>>8397210
Do other countries not do that? It's specifically a male thing here, females always get referred to by first name
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>>8397210
True, but there are passages in which he is referred to by his first name instead, a scene which comes to mind is when he is discussing his marriage with Edith's parents the first time

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Hey, just recently finished all 8 books but cant find the graphic novels, anyone know where to download?

also, artemis fowl thread
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>>8397104
>>/co/
>>/r/
>>/trash/
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>>8397119
>Not knowing how to link boards
>>>/co/ will be the most helpful, OP
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>>8397165
thanks put it up

>>>/co/85470679

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I recently read Less Than Zero and found it for the most part enjoyable. Some of it was quite compelling, but other parts seemed a bit juvenile and edgy. Is this sort of what I can expect from his other books?
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I only read American Psycho which I thought was very funny. You could call parts of it "edgy" but I really don't think that is a good critique.
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>>8397082
can you guys make up your mind whether or not you actually like me?
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>>8397105
>treat the posters of a global image board like they're a singular entity with a hivemind
>complain when that logic doesn't apply
cry some more faggot

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Post your best bookmarks and also where you got them.

>Met store at Newark airport
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HOLY! Fuck, man. Shit, man. Damn, dude. Balls. I've never used a bookmark in my life. You know? Just put the page number in your spank bank. Fuck, ma'an. Foot, base, hand, soccer, etc. Fecal matter, Hell, sexual relations. Know what I mean?
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>>8396995
reddit: the post.
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>>8397026
I am a redditor. exactly. PINPOINT PRESENTATION. Yes. Good job on your observation skills. HAHAhahahesdfrert!my he a he be vouch sights poetry shah gags high shah shah's bags gaya gaya gaya gaya gaya Hagar shy shah's gags gags hay shah's gags Hay Hannah shah's gags hush shah's hag's gags gags haggadah a gags gags gags gasbags Ghana gags gags hath shags gaya gags gaya gaya cha baggy a GGG high shah's Havana hag aha gags gags hag's a after study that if yak try murky flux it's...
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Hey guys first time posting here and I know we're not supposed to make recommendation threads but I'm making one anyway haha!

So uhh here goes hehe... Do you guys know what some literary influences on the Star Wars film series are? Dune, LOTR, Martian Chronicles, the listarino goes on!
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The Hero's Journey, by Joseph Campbell. It's literally THE influence on it.
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>>8396971
Small correction: The Hero's Journey is actually the name of the concept that the book, 'The Hero with a Thousand Faces', introduces.
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>>8396967
Nicely crafted post anon, I'm sure you got a good chuckle out of it. I certainly did.

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I was raised in front of a screen. I grew up without the guide of literature. I detested it, as black text over white paper could never give me the same stimulation as the vivid colors, clear emotions, and the overall lively images which television and video games offered me. Whenever I was forced to read a book, I would often become distracted and found it difficult to bring myself to actually read and experience the stories which were in front of me. To be blunt, reading absolutely bored me.

Having matured, I've realized that there is a plethora of knowledge available...
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Flash fiction? I think there's a chart of that in the sticky. Novellas after that.
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>>8396891
I should have noted that I have particular literary interests.

I wish to read Leo Tolstoy. Of course, I must prepare myself for such an undertaking or else I'll quit like a bitch. But anyways, thanks for the recommendations pham.
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>>8396884

1. Pick something you genuinely (genuinely) want to read. Don't try to give a shit about c/lit/s calling you a pleb if you read genre shit or pop-nonfiction books.
2. Read somewhere quiet and away from technology. Somewhere like a peaceful park or a library. Don't bring your cellphone.
3. Stop using the internet and playing video games so much. It's been scientifically proven that it warps your brain and worsens your attention span. If you're still young, your brain is maleable and there...
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Can you guys recommend me some good icelandic authors and books?

thank you
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>>8396826
The sagas seem pretty obvious. Penguin has plenty of them. My favourite collection is Sagas of Warrior Poets, because it reminds me of my own life.
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Halldor Laxness won the nobel, so I guess he's good. Independent people seems to be his most popular.
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>>8396826
Just got done reading Independent People by Laxness. Decent, would recommend. Will next probably read Iceland's Bell also by Laxness, and may at some point read The Blue Fox by Sjon.

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Time for your daily JR thread. Read it you illiterate faggots.

GASSPOSTING GENERAL
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Who is speaking?
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>>8396649
I already did a month ago, faggot. Now I'm listening to the audiobook.
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>>8396649
oh shit someone made the daily J R thread and it wasn't me for once. I'm doing gods work and it's paying off.

Can any Marxists here help me with a problem I've run up against reading Capital? I just started Chapter 3, on Money or the Circulation of Commodities, and can't quite square this circle vis-a-vis the consolidation of the money-form out of the exchange of commodities.

Take a primitive communist society, where all laborers understand their labor as unique, their products only as use-values for the satisfaction of the needs of the social whole. One of our communists sets out from home one day with 10 glass beads in his pocket. He meets with a member of another...
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>>8396637

So no one here has read Capital? Not even Part 1??
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>>8397686
Ask /leftypol/
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>>8396637

The question is way too precise to have a chance of being satisfactorily answered here.

I have no idea why you would think it appropriate for the 4chan literature board.

Try the David Harvey companion books/lectures and delete thread.

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What did they mean by this cover
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>>8396600
;))
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The two pink pointy tips on the side? No, it's supposed to be subtly and elongatedly suggestive of something rubbery and black sliding between two tits.
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>>8396600
>Implying it's unusual to be loved by anyone
>Implying it's unusual to have fun with anyone
It's not

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What do you think about the "for dummies" books?
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>>8396518
That they're for dummies.
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>>8396518
Got the one on Songwriting. Only one I've read on the subject but I thought it was pretty good for what it was.
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>>8396518
Some are good, a lot are terrible.

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Which is better?
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>>8396309
Thank you for finally asking this OP.

Objectively: Cervantes
For Actual Enjoyment: Rabelais

The latter is an underrated champ. Highlights Humanism better anyways.
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I preferred Cervantes but I think Rabelais is a better author (I read Rabelais in French and Cervantes through translation so I could be wrong)

Why are you comparing them?
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>>8396309
This

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I'm attempting to read this and don't understand any of the tax lingo that's dropped throughout. Do you need familiarity with tax/accounting to understand this book?
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>>8396288
>don't understand any of the tax lingo
You never need to understand any of the technical lingo DFW uses. He probably doesn't either.
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>>8396288
Why would someone read an unfinished novel lmao
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>>8396442

bc its good retard

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going to medal day at macdowell today. michae chabon will be giving the medal to toni. what should i ask her or him afterwards? will try to get pics with them. general thoughts on who is the worse author?
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I've only read one book by each.

"Gentlemen of the Road" by Chabon -- absolute trash.

"Beloved" by Morrison -- pretty great, actually.

Ask Chabon what it's like being an author but who's really a Jew. Ask Morrison what it's like being an author but who's really a black.
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>>8396242
look up chabon's sexuality.

meant to read beloved before today but didnt get around to - will definitely check it out if she gives a good acceptance speech
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She's genuinely good, it's not her fault she gets overhyped in academia like some messianic figure. And she's more of a good writer than a good artist.

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>tfw you think you're righter but everything you ever write is based off the absurdity of existence and attempting to reveal absurdity in everything and induce existential vertigo, but it never works because the brain and words themselves are hard wired to give mathematical meanings.

Fucking dick lit. I really, no, fuck, I can't. It's like, sometimes I write stuff, but once and a while I just decide that I will stop writing for a while. I think this is one of those times. Usually I write a lot, everyone on lit says that my...
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Shitposting isn't fun if you're a babbling retard. There needs to be some illusion.
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>>8396224

You had described me as well till the last bit.

If you think this forum is your problem, stop coming. It'd probably do you good, lad
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>>8396239
>If you think this forum is your problem, stop coming. It'd probably do you good, lad
Then just forget I wrote that last bit, seriously.

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>tfw you've called yourself a writer for seven years but have written little in that time.
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>tfw ywn be notable enough to have autobiographies ghost written for you
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Why would you do that
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>>8396198
>tfw you have not called yourself a writer for 2 years but have written over 500 pages in that time-frame and got published

it's not fiction and I'm not good at writing, so I feel like I don't deserve to call myself a writer

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What is it about the Silmarillion that people find appealing?
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>>8396102
I like history books and fantasy books, the Silmarillion is an historical fantasy book.
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It's intricate as fuck.
It lends gravity to beloved characters from LotR.
It's a case study in myth.
Like any other myth, it's easy to get lost in.
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It has a cool name
It also already has a "The" before its cool name like it's something important, without even needing to be translated into French

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Are there any books that are like the movies Paprika and Perfect Blue, or Serial Experiments Lain, with that whole what is the real reality? sort of thing going on? I also like this scene https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJtl95R3tf8
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Philip KKK Dick
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Perfect Blue is based on a novel by Takeuchi. It's a ballet dancer instead of a singer iirc.
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>>8396195
I don't read a book or movie after I have already seen one that the other is based off of.

So, I'm attending a short story lessons (EU, not English native speaker) and I'd appreciate your feedback (or assumptions OP is gay) regarding my plot.

I like to write social realism. Harsh, grim stuff. Recently our teacher wanted us to write a sci-fi stories involving rogues/renegades/smugglers.

After much struggle I came to this: I want to take Han Solo/that guy from Firefly/other generic clean adventurers who brak the law and taint them. I've been thinking about Alien 4 as inspiration. Smugglers, smuggling people.

So here's my idea:...
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>>8395990
I'm curious as to where you're from, your grammar sounds Russian to me, I'm also impressed with your vocabulary as a non native speaker
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>>8396003
Slovenia.
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>>8396008 Nice

It certainly is a grim story you've come up with. I would suggest that you make the girls existence ambiguous otherwise it may seem a little corny.
But I would mainly suggest that you think about what you're trying to convey in your story, I know it's only short but so are most parables,
Does the captain represent or embody the darker aspects of mankind? What motivates him? Why is he involved in this kind of thing?

Hope that helps

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what font does /lit/ use while writing? getting real fuckin tired of looking at times new roman

trying out pic related but i think i could find something even better. hence the thread.
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Mostly times. I occasionally throw in some wingdings though.
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>>8395956
wingdings is GOAT if you aren't a perfectionist autist
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>>8395943
For some reason I fell in love with Century

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Fuck this shit lit. Fuck this god damn bullshit. I want to read a book that's actually fun. I was just trying to read Hunger by Knut Hamsun, STILL, and it's just not fun. What's a book that's actually fun to read? Gimme something weird and cool and FUCKED UP. I really liked The Wasp Factory. I mean like, gimme a book where cool shit actually happens. You know what was another book I liked? In The Miso Soup by Ryu Mirakami.
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The two books you mentioned are good but do you absolutely need an endless procession of wacky cuhrazy shocking acts and twists to have fun? Plenty of people have "fun" reading books outside the boundaries of your rigid tastes.

Hunger marked the beginning of literature fully exploring the interior of the modern mind. It's the first voice of its kind. Plus it's pretty short. Like a two day thing if you just give it some faith. The protagonists from Hunger and Notes from Underground are basically /lit/posters 19th century edition. If only you aimed at...
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>reading "for fun"

This is worse then the faggots reading "for enjoyment", or even "for the plot".
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>>8395909
i've got that hieronymus bosch book
it's fucking awesome

thanks for listening

Is it worth pursuing a Masters in Writing or something similar? Considering Journalism as well. Would I be better off developing my writing on my own or would an MA program help me? I have a BA in TV, Radio and New Media (I know).
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>>8395894
I have a similar situation, I think I'm choosing not to pursue it because all my writing profs so far have been biased beyond belief and that kind of restrictive environment won't help me. But who knows, you might get good profs who actually help you out.
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>>8395894
Submit to lower tier periodicals first at least. You're likely to get published and it's good to have that base of work and experience for such courses.
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>>8395894
No, no, no. If you're going to write, go write and submit. MA in Writing, good grief.

What did Oscar wild mean by this?

What are less highly organized forms of existence and why would that sharing passions with these aforementioned forms be terrifying to us?
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>look at me I'm an egdy intellectual
*Sips le absinthe*
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>>8395896
Are you autistic?
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Historically men have shied away from embracing their natural passions and urges and indeed their own natures due their own egotism and desire to rule all things including themselves. Fear of their hearts having a greater sway over them than their minds, has, in Dorian's view lead man to neglect the appreciation of beauty and therefore left their innate aesthete impulses in a crude and base state.

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What's the difference between analytic and continental philosophy? It seems nobody can agree on a textbook definition. What does it mean when an university is focused on either of these camps, and how would the curriculum differ?
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>>8395843
Analytic philosophy is autistic and poinltess.

Continental philosophy is profound and enobling.
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Analytic philosophy is interested in establishing firmly the limits of language can say. Continental philosophy is interested in exploring the no-man's land of what language can't say.
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>>8395843
Analytic wud have more logic courses and modal logic. Theyd have phil of mind as well as courses on linguistics. Aside from that id expect courses on the typical analytics like russell quine kripke and their ideas. In both you gon get the typical philosophers of the past dough like descart and all that jazz. Thats all i can really think off

History books recommendation thread /lit/?

Just finished this, was pretty good.
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>>8395833
A proper indictment of Belgians everywhere.
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>>8395917
Also Wedgwood's 30 Years War

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>I'm sure that comparing Riordan to Hemingway is going to cause a certain amount of wailing and denunciation. But that's the thing about aesthetics; there isn't a single standard, or a single agreed-upon rubric for what is "good." Graham tentatively suggests that the Percy Jackson books are too beholden to their own time, and timelessness or universality is, of course, often used as...
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>>8395811
This rustled my harambes.
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>>8395811
>But that's the thing about aesthetics; there isn't a single standard, or a single agreed-upon rubric for what is "good."
Stopped reading there, any critic who resorts to this loses all credibility in my eyes.
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>>8395811
Amelia Bassano Lanier was technically black because she was of Hebrew descent (do a quick google search on the ancestry of Hebrews, they all have Canaanite blood). But they lessen their argument by depicting her as that black.

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Virgil? More like Virgin! xD
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Immanuel Kant? More like Immanuel Cunt x)
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/lit/ thread? More like /shit/ thread
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>>8395777
Anonymous? More like Angrymous :(

I remember someone once posted a rar file with epubs of books usually recommend/discussed here. It had a few folders titled
>reading genre fiction
>hipsters will hype
and others.
I no longer have it. Anyone knows what I'm talking about and has a download link maybe?
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Bumping out of interest
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>>8395835
Same
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dont have it but interested aswell


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