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What are some 150+ year old books that maintain their humor?
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Marx, Capital
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Tristram Shandy
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>>8796425

Rabelais' work.

Fucking awesome gif, by the way.

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Best scifi writer? With emphasis on "writer".
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>>8796420
Gene Wolfe.
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Vance.
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Philly Kindred Dick

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>Best
The Dead
>Follow-up
Araby
>Worst
After The Race
>Overrated
Eveline
>Underrated
Grace
>Overall Score
10/10
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Why should anyone, anywhere care about your "power ranking"?
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>>8796407

>/lit/
A Little Cloud
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>>8796415
hey i just thought maybe we could do that on here, for short stories instead of albums. eh. eh

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A 19th century Russian nobleman is sent to a hard labour camp for four years, comes back, and then writes a character that is literally me. How is this possible?
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Dosto was being satirical when he wrote the Underground Man, I hope you understand.
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>>8796384
Notes from Underground is a case study of being irreparably spooked. Dosto was sent to gulag precisely because he was spooked by his Christian morality out of acting in his best interests, i.e keeping his head down and not being sent to gulag. The underground man is spooked by his literary ideals in a similar fashion. The conflict between egoism and subservience to higher ideals is timeless and manifests in infinite ways, but I believe the answer you are looking for is simply "spooks lol"
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>>8796386
What's he satirising?

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What is the nicest book?
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>>8796354
The Bible, which is by God who made Us with His magic several years ago... The Garden of Eden, Noah's Ark, David And Goliath, and the Whore Of Babylon among more are all pats of the Bible!
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>>8796365
>magic
Get behind me, Satan.
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>>8796365
>Whore of Babylon
What a fucking rotten woman, like all women.
>oh, I'm a whore, teehee, I love sex!
>only fornicates with seven kings VIZ. CHADS

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Ok guys, I haven't read this yet (it's on my list), but the idea or plot seems interesting enough. I'm assuming the novel is about an avant-garde(insofar as he's attempting to operate on grounds not yet explored) architect who sticks by his attempts despite the opposition. Is this far off? If not it sounds like the story of an artist to look up to, what's the issue? Where does the egoism come in? Is the protagonist a piece of shit?
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:(
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It's a 700 page diatribe on collectivism. I like it tho
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>>8796351
God it's so bad. There's so much to say about why it's bad, but to focus on just one thing is the constant fucking emphasis on his iconoclastic avant garde style of architecture that the stodgy architectural community won't accept because they dont believe in new ideas, and it's described as nothing more than watered down Frank Lloyd Wright and the book was written decades after he became popular and the architectural community started sucking his dick.
Which is to say the book sucks because...
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We're so lucky that Pynchon was born in his generation. If he were born a couple decades later he'd be a writer for Family Guy, and that would be epic as fuck, but we'd be missing his awesome zaniness in literary form.
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>>8796320
How do you know he doesn't write for Family Guy?
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he kinda looks like ole what's his name
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You very clearly have not read a single one of his books

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beyond Psycho whats his best? worst? BEE /general/
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I've only read Less Than Zero by him. Was pretty good, liked the style.
>I woke up
>I turned on MTV
>I called my gay fuckboy
>I disregarded my sister
>I did cocaine
>I went to dinner with my gay fuckboy
>It was good
>We talked about MTV
>We went to his house
>We...
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>>8797055
Holy... I could happily read a novel of greentext Less Than Zero satire.
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>>8796305
But every Bret Easton Ellis novel is his worst.

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You aren't deluded enough to think you can just "become" a writer... right, anon?
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>>8796283
No, I'll have to force you to suck me off first.
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>>8796283
I already am a writer
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>>8796283
I became a writer when I was four faggot.

Pretty much since I can remember I've always wanted to be a writer, but then as I got older I realized the chances of being a successful one that's able to actually support myself is more or less impossible. But now that I have a decent job and am able to support myself, I've started writing more and more as a hobby on the side.

How hard is it to get a book published? Is it as easy as writing a novel and sending it to a publisher, or is there political hoops I have to jump through/initial costs I'll have to pay for first? Im not really looking at this...
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>>8796193
Dude if your shits good then someone'll publish it.
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>How hard is it to get a book published?

Very hard, even if you're good.....especially if you're good.

>Is it as easy as writing a novel and sending it to a publisher

Uh...no.

>or is there political hoops I have to jump through

Knowing people in publishing will definitely help.

>initial costs I'll have to pay for first?

Going to writers conferences and hobbnobbing with other writers an agents will greatly increase your chances, but admission to these things are extremely expensive.

>I'd rather not have to pay anything

Really? Wow, I'd never have guessed that about you. Your chances go way down without networking, but it's not impossible....like winning the lottery isn't impossible.

>If my shit's good

Stop thinking in terms of good or not. Think in terms of marketable, or not, from now on.

>will front all the costs of printing and publication, right

Yes, they pay for everything up front, and claim 80% of the profit later.

>Or will they just see a document from an unknown author and immediately throw it in the trash?

Most likely thing to happen, yes. If you're not published, strike one. If your project isn't very similar to something that's already selling, strikes two and three.
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>>8796216
Can you only publish a book if you have notoriety nowadays? Do you have to have something published in a literary magazine or newspaper before anyone will even talk to you?

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ITT: pleb filters
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>>8796170
Fuck off, Reddit
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>>8796170
You're a retard, and I would definitely put this book very high on a list of must-reads for beginners. It's an excellent example of a person who convinced themselves that they were right by virtue of their own conceit. The reason the book is so reviled is because it's easy for plebs to see why it's basic premise is stupid, and I would suggest this book to any person who is in danger of convincing themselves that they are right, rather than exploring the possibility that they are wrong.
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>>8796170
literally among the worst (if not the very worst) literally canon has to offer.

Pure shite on every level, the writing is essentially proto-fanfic writing

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>Oh boy, what a legal process that one was, it wasn't just a trial, it was THE TRIAL

Kafka you rotten roach
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>>8796127
>I am a sick man. I am a Notes from Underground man.
Dosto you compulsive-gambling neanderthal what have you done?!
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>>8796127
>Her body was erect and high-breasted, her legs long and narrow like a Maltese Falcon's.
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> "Pass the salt," Thus Spake Zarathustra

Nietzsche you hack

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>In the jungle, welcome to the jungle
>Feel my, my, my, my serpentine
>I, I wanna hear you scream

What did he mean by that?
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bump for merit
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>You well-heeled big wheel, ha ha, charade you are!

What did he mean by this?
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>>8796038
How many 'drines have you popped today, anon? Be honest.

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What is Ulysses of cinema?
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>>8796020
I dunno, Ben Hur?

Ask /tv/ for fucks sake
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My Winnipeg
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im looking for books about painters
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>>8795959
Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man
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gogol has a real good story about a painter, i think it's called the portrait?
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>>8795959
Honoré de Balzac - The Unknown Masterpiece

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What would it mean to write in the fourth person?
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your future self
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>>8795930
Future is the wrong term, its more like to write outside time itself.
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>>8795938
your outside future self

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It's so boring that makes me sick
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Yeah man, all the adventuring in WW1, Africa, America in the first half of the book is boring as fuck.

Not.
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>>8795979
?
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>>8795979
Yeah wtf how could you not like the first half at least, OP? I thought a lot of that stuff was especially memorable.

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Bloom is a reactionary tilting at windmills. He appeals to a popular but largely inaccurate idea that cutthroat postmodernists have shown up to wrest Shakespeare from the hands of the reading public and force them to read Mary Wroth instead. Who are the people saying this? A shadowy cast of Frenchified literary critics that Bloom never seriously engages with. Why, it's almost as if Bloom's idea that the discussion of canonicity in the eighties and early nineties is affirmative action designed to replace aesthetically superior authors with minority also-rans is a broad...
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>>8795898
Furthermore, how can we isolate the aesthetic from the wider scene of history? I've never seen a real answer to this question. Art has a special value to me in that I often find it profoundly moving. How can I justify making imaginative-objects-that-are-valuable-to-me into a special category distinct from both imaginative-objects-that-are-not-valuable-to-me (bad aesthetic objects) or other historical objects? To this, Bloom might turn to attack me rather than my questions about how he came up with his categories,...
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>>8795898
>>8795901

fuck off bitch. i can tell from the first sentence that you haven't read any criticism in your life.
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i don't think we have as much control over society as you project. what is canon can easily be reduced to ash. look at all of history. the words of the oppressed are the words of the oppressor.

Why isn't Don Quixote talked about more often? Not only is it the first modern novel, its also a legitimately a good book.
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>>8795847
>babby's first classic
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never heard of it. It like the godfather?
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>>8795847
Controversy breeds discussion. That DQ is good is not controversial.

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Is this worth it? I've read 40 pages of him rambling. I read El Túnel and Sobre héroes y tumbas and enjoyed them a lot, even if he gets a bit too dense at times; but this one seems to be going nowhere, like an unfinished work with anotations.
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It is very much worth it. The best of the trilogy.

Is it ok if i answer your question in Spanish?
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>>8795756
Por favor.
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>>8795769
Pues mira, tienes que tener en cuenta que es una obra muy diferente de El túnel y Héroes y tumbas. Los tres conforman una trilogía, y cada vez que avanza la estructura, la narrativa y los temas se van haciendo más fragmentarios y oscuros. En El.tunel la narrativa de Castel domina todo. En HyT, es la de Fernando Vidal Olmos, aún si no es hasta el tercer capítulo que lo encontramos frente a frente. Tienes también los dos niveles narrativos:la historia de Alejandra y Martín (enmarcada por la narrativa de Bruno...
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Oh my dear life
What the hell is going on
There's so much strife
There is something wrong
We need to fight enemies with a knife
Look out for the con
He is there with a chance on his sleeves
And his soul tortured by those ghosts
But quickly we can rise again
We can fight the old plans and the new
This is my destiny for you
If you only you could see to live beyond your dreams
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I was planning on doing something today, until i read that. It really just sucked all the energy and hope out of me
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>>8795706
You're stiff as fuck and you're too direct.
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Why your poem is objective shit: an analysis.
--You haven't killed yourself prior to writing your poem

wew, kys

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Is Milton a better poet than Shakespeare?
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Can someone explain how Milton is good?

Especially in blank verse, anyone can write hundreds of pages of the cramped, unmelodic stuff that fills Paradise Lost. Even just outside of the poetic form itself, there's nothing remarkable nor even interesting in the narrative of P.L.

I don't get it.
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Who cares mate
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>>8795602
t. pleb

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Just pulled the trigger on 5 Joseph Mcelroy books i have been looking for (for years. refusing to order them online because i like to hunt).

- Lookout cartridge
- Cannonball
- Night soul and other stories
- Smugglers bible
- Actress in the house
- Ancient history: a paraphrase

This is it for me lads. After these books im out of here. I have nothing left to read but obscure lit and i wont do it anymore. Time for a new hobby. I'll make some threads about each book when i'm done (which no one will reply to) and that's that. Anyone read...
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>>8795336
>Just pulled the trigger on 5 Joseph Mcelroy books
>lists 6 books
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>>8795374
>none of them are Women and Men
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>>8795399
Am I alone in thinking there's little to no value in reading that book? It's purely intellectual masturbation to plod through that shit. And worse, it's not even fun masturbation.

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is it ethical to imitate someone's writing style if I don't have a writing style of my own?
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>>8795298
Bad artists copy. Great artists steal.
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>>8795298
No, but does it matter?
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>>8795298
>if I don't have a writing style of my own?
But you do. It's theirs but worse/with your own twist on it

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Odyssey : Ulysses :: Iliad : ____________
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my novell desu
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>>8795295

that brad pitt movie
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Dante:Bruno::Vico:Joyce

Tybalt did nothing wrong.
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>>8795229
Romeo the kinda nigga that turns his personal problems into a group activity
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>>8795229
That movie was so fucking bad
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>>8795264

You're crazy

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How do you start writing for money? It used to be that you'd send a writ or two to a magazine or publication and hopefully you'd spark enough attention to get published. How does it work these days? Any of you does it?
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You might be better off asking /lit/.
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>How do you start writing for money?

type
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Research niche fetishes and find where people buy them

Unless you're writing about weird shit getting dicked you're probably not going to make anything writing

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Hey /lit/ im new here, any must read books about existentialism / nihilism ?
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>>8795170
Not really, no. Especially that out of date crap from the 19th century.

Are you having trouble dealing with the fact of the matter dawning on you? Or are you just trying to be Absurd, like Papa Albert recommends?
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>nihilism
Fathers and Sons. Then Crime and Punishment so you can laugh at nihilists.

>existentialism
Nausea and The Stranger. Then move on to worthwhile books.
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>>8795170
notes from underground by dosto

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I'm interested in books and authors interested in the death drive, or the base human unconscious yearning toward annihilation. The examples I know of include Yukio Mishima, Georges Bataille, Kobo Abe, Marquis de Sade. Looking for recommendations for authors with similar sensibilities. Thanks in advance
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>>8795133
freud obv
>you've read this

nick land, the thirst for annihilation
>you've probably read this

schopenhauer
>patrician af despair

antinatalism: cioran, ligotti
>i find it meh but w/evs

blood meridian
>p much a maymay at this point but still

lovecraft
>more the criticism of him

spec-real...
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Gravity's Rainbow. No that's not a meme, it's a huge theme to the point that characters fetishize V2 rockets (which in turn represent the proto-atomic bomb)
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>>8795604
Oh, and I mean fetishize in a literal sense.

I'd like to learn stream of consciousness writing at a high level. Other than reading Joyce, Proust and some of the famous stream of consciousness writers, what else could I do to get very good at this writing style? Is writing poetry a good idea from a general writing standpoint?
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Try automatic writing so you'll know it has nothing to do with it, you might learn something from the difference
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>>8795142
do you mean free writing by any chance? like just writing whatever pops into your head? because i googled automatic writing and its like some /x/-tier spiritual stuff supposedly
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Get a dictaphone.

2016: cellphone mic

If it is for a character, first put yourself entirely on the characters'...character. For stream-of-consciousness needs, probably, mimesis of this kind.


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