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Well, that was weird
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Why
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>>8375381
Fishing for attention and desperately seeking validation most likely
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>>8375453
OP or the books?

I'm sick of being a Murakami pleb.

How do I into serious Japanese literature?
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Start with Genji and work your way chronologically.
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>>8375198
>Japanese
There's your problem right there.
We can fix 'er, but it's gonna cost ya.
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>>8375198

If you want to read more modern nip shit, check out Mishima, Kawabata, Oe, Tanizaki, Abe, and Dazai

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Hi. I have problems understanding what genre fiction is and why is bad. Please enlight me
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Quality science fiction and fantasy
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>>8375160
Anne Frank? Why
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>>8375178
The holocaust is a fantasy mate

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1. Copy a poem into a word processor
2. Remove the line breaks so it looks like prose
3. Read it

If you can still tell it's a poem, it's a poem. If it turns into prose, it's not a poem.

Compare a stanza from Lord Byron's Don Juan:

>Most epic poets plunge 'in medias res' (Horace makes this the heroic turnpike road), and then your hero tells, whene'er you please, what went before—by way of episode, while seated after dinner at his ease, beside his mistress in some soft abode, palace, or garden,...
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bump

Compare Pope's Essay on Man:

>Know then thyself, presume not God to scan. The proper study of Mankind is Man. Placed on this isthmus of a middle state, a Being darkly wise, and rudely great: with too much knowledge for the Sceptic side, with too much weakness for the Stoic's pride, he hangs between; in doubt to act, or rest; in doubt to deem himself a God, or Beast; in doubt his mind or body to prefer; born but to die, and reas'ning but to err; alike in ignorance, his reason such, whether he thinks too little, or too much;...
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Someone mistakenly took that reader response Wikipedia article to heart
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>>8375500

I have no idea what you're referring to. That's a characteristic of autists, making obscure statements that are more or less meaningless to everybody around them, because their theory of mind is warped and they aren't very good at predicting what they have in common with other people and what they don't.

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So what's the deal /lit/?

This book came highly recommended to me from a friend.

Worth a read?
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>>8375116
Its somewhat trying but i really enjoyed it.
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>>8375116
10/10 great book (also good entry level material). Genre done right. Also, it gives you the right to say you read black authors.
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I read a Barnes and Noble version of this which was about 650 pages, and realized later it was an expurgated and abridged 19th century translation that omitted the good stuff, like implied lesbianism and infanticide. Good page-turning genre stuff but not much more.

>Did you enjoy reading that Shakespeare play?
>Yes, I loved it! So entertaining! Absolutely amazing stuff!

Kys.

No one actually enjoys reading Shakespeare. You were probably bored out of your mind when reading his plays.

If you say that you found them entertaining, you're a pretentious fedora-tipping LIAR. People only read his plays because they were so influential and almost essential reading for the patrician if he wants to understand their impact in current arts and literature.
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>>8375003
There dick jokes and sword fights, All you have to do is learn a bit of Shakespearean English.
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Apart from the obvious shitpost, what's the reason for this influx of demented frogposting in the last few days? Is it a lonely, sad anon or is it a whole posse of dedicated sadbois?

Sage as always, though.
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>>8375003
>It's a 'pleb reveals himself' episode.

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I am having trouble finding information about this set of LoTR books. I found the Hobbit in the local bookstore, but there weren't any matching books to go with it. When I got home, I searched and discovered this photograph, but I can't see to find these specific books anywhere. When I search the ISBNs, I keep seeing the same books, but with different art on the front.
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>>8374767
It's probably a conspiracy.
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I found this specific set on eBay but it's $200. The single book I bought was $6.
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This is the set I keep seeming to find whenever I search for the ISBN or "centenary edition".

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Can anyone recommend me a book like Yourcenar's Memoirs of Hadrian? I'm looking for that mix of melancholic introspection and nostalgia, especially one set in the ancient or classical eras. I think someone recommended me The Death of Virgil, but I haven't gotten around to it yet.
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I, Claudius
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Augustus
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>>8374717
Definitely this should be your first stop.

Also check out Lavinia by Ursula le Guin. It's definitely melancholy.

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What does /lit/ think about the Book of Ruth?
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>>8374644
good shit
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>>8374644
bad shit
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>>8374644
the book of what

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chapter 2 - what the fuck he talking about? predicable? what? understand sep article, but having lots of trouble getting through the actual text. plz help.
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>bigaristotle.jpg

for you
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>actually reading the Categories
>actually reading Aristotle
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>>8374338

Some people fall for the MEEMS...

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Why should I 'start with the Greeks'?
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>>8374021
Some things in life are just axiomatic, nigger
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You don't have to bother if you don't want to. You can still enjoy literature without having read the Greeks. The point is that it allows you to have a deeper understanding of what people are writing about, particularly in classic literature and philosophy. Most of the great authors were educated in the classics and the Greek texts influenced their work. Without understanding how the Greek writers told stories, you lose some of the meaning behind the literature you actually want to read and understand. It's more important on the philosophy side, because any philosopher...
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>>8374021
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1y8_RRaZW5X3xwztjZ4p0XeRplqebYwpmuNNpaN_TkgM/pub

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Who better than Nietzsche or Socrates in terms of philosophy? Ктo лyчшe Hицшe или Coкpaт в плaнe филocoфии? Eceнин пиcaтeль.
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You can see the autumn in his eyes.
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>>8373946
Why russian though?
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>>8373970
Why not?
Чтo нeт?

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Do you think the Molly's monologue in Ulysses is a trustful depiction of the femenine mind?
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>>8373828
No, it was written by a man.
It was a depiction of a man trying to think like a female.
Anyway, insight into one mind is not representative of an entire gender.
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Yes. Women can't express themselves at all, and there's no doubt Joyce did a better job than any woman could at capturing their process of thought.
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>>8373833
I think your last sentence is way more important than the first two. To the point where the first two are made redundant by the last.

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does anyone want a job writing anime reviews ? I need to write up around 33 reviews for the summer 2016 season by the end of today or I'll get fired. I'm pretty sure I won't manage so if somebody wants to jump in and help then that'd be awesome.

I'm offering half of my entire paycheck which usually averages about $360.

If you're interested please email me ASAP at grzes.musko@interia.pl
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>>8373570
I'd write but I don't watch the seasonal stuff. Sorry famalamalam
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>>8373575

how about watching the seasonal just to write ? I'm fine with a 1000 words of first impressions on the first episode
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>>8373585
This thread is getting a bit too surreal for me. Also I'm Australian and my precious bandwidth is so depleted that I couldn't even get one episode.

Good luck with your endeavor, if it's actually real.

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Hey /lit/, I was wondering how long it takes to make a sci fi book. I love sci fi and want to write a sci fi book. I'm not expecting it to be good, I just want to do it. How long does it take you to write a book?
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Varies widly. I'm rather quick once I've constructed the spinal cord. But that construction takes time since I'm shit to make decisions.
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Michael Moorcock once said, quite proudly, that he could knock one out every three days.

it took me about five years, but i did dick off a lot in the middle. do you want a good SF novel or a cheap-ass shit one?
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>>8373453
A shit one, so I can learn how to write and learn from my mistakes.

Are there any novels that are similar to this?
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>>8373148
Go to Reddit
I'm not even being sarcastic.
4chan has it's uses, but i have found that reddit is by far a better place to discuss mature comics than 4chan. Because if you read alternate comics then you belong to neither /co/ (you'll simply get ignored) or /lit/ (bottom tier genre shit etc)
But if you ask me i guess Swamp Thing and Promethea and Sandman volume 1 are great for urban mystic horror
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Yo OP if you're still here you might like The Dresden Files.
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>>8373751
Reddit is also the best place to talk about books
Here all you have is memes, "lol this author is shit" from people that don't even read books

btw I'm talking about /r/literature, stay away from /r/books

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Anyone remember this book that you had to read in MS?
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Yeah man, this book was horrible. It was a real chickflick
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>>8372975
No they put me in the nerd classes
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>>8372975
I don't remember ever having to read it. Especially not in Microsoft.

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How do I get better at writing /lit/? In class, I do fine with debates and discussions but as soon as I have to put ideas on paper everything goes to shit.
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endlessly rehearse conversations in your mind. make up situations and then imagine what you'd say.

as for putting them down on paper, there's a journalistic tradition called the inverse pyramid lead: you've got something to say, so you look at the concepts you'll need to get across and you sort them in order of most important first.

this used to allow the typesetters to remove paragraphs from the end of your article without compromising it much.

aside from that.. practice. practice a lot. someone said every artist has 10,000 shitty pictures...
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>>8372830
I appreciate it Anon. Seems outlining and practice are key.
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>>8372935
that journalism dodge i mentioned forces you to look at what you're trying to say, and then say it in the clearest way possible. anything else is decoration, and can be left for when you're feeling playful.

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Hey, /lit/, what is the most scary novel?
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>>8372456
Fight Club
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>>8372456
The bible.
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>>8372456
ur diary desu

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Where can I find some books that are really pulpy, grindhouse, direct-to-video exploitation trash horror? Like are there any publishers that specialize in this? Pic not really related but a step in the right direction maybe.
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Have you considered R L Stine's Goosebumps series?
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>>8371898
Yeah, I read some of those as a kid and his Fear Street stuff. They are trashy and 80s enough for sure, I like them but I was thinking something gorier.
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>>8371888
Flesh Gothic
forget the author
any books by him are exactly what you're looking for

Into the second page do I have potential?:

The Policeman and The Sword
White flowers in a beautiful glass jar with water in it adorn a table at the lobby of a certain law officer's apartment building. The silver doors open and the guests go in. Every item in the construction is new. At the windows are visible the dark purple night cast as such by the countless orange emitting street lights of the cool city. Four women leave the gentleman's floor likely going to a temple dressed in white wool dress and smelling like expensive perfume and carrying bibles. "Hello, Andrew" said the cool young voice on the phone, "I am going to pick you up at 11:30 pm" and added "is that alright with you?" Andrew said "That's fine."
Andrew was putting on his police uniform. A dark navy blue collared shirt with a dark navy blue pants. The color of the clothes was nearly black. He is 6'2" and is built as a track and field runner. He runs track in the morning. He sprayed on some blue men's cologne on his neck and his chest. Then he picked up his pistol, adjusted his belt, and set his black flashlight on his belt. 11:30 pm came and he went down and Barry rolled up to the white apartment building by the city college. Andrew's hair was neatly cut and gelled to the side on top like a Nazi. "Hey Barry," said Andrew as he stepped into the new black and white police car which looked like a slick and visually pleasant automobile up close and from a distance. The two entered their badge numbers and went on patrol in the city.
They were in the financial district when they got a call from the office reporting an armed robbery on 5th and Market St. A dark skinned man in his early 30's in a gray jacket pulled a gun out on a woman at a Wells Fargo ATM machine and demanded money and then ran off. The police officers talked to the woman. As they drove about the block they saw a similar man at a bus stop. As they drove up to him he began to ran. Andrew noticed he was carrying a purse. He exited the police car quickly and ran after the dark man. Barry parked the car and tried to find the two.
"Drop the bag and put your hands in the air!" yelled Andrew. The man in the gray jacket did so. Andrew pulled his hands behind his back and cuffed him. "Why did you run?" asked Andrew cooly cutting the man's cry. "I was scared," "Scared of what?" asked Andrew. "I have a warrant and I don't want to go back to jail," said the suspect. "Well you're under arrest for runing from a police officer right now" said Andrew. After some further investigation Barry and Andrew concluded they had the right man. They brought him to the downtown city jail and he would spend space there until his court hearing soon.
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>>8371692
>I've begun to write a novel about a policeman

It was at this point I lost my interest.
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interesting combination of purple prose and police. it won't work.
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>>8371692
>with water in it
kek

>at the lobby
what's your first language?

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Hey folks!
I'm working on compiling a new, actually good left-lit chart, so I'm looking for suggestions of things to include in it, or other formatting ideas ppl might have. I've already got a fairly large list of books so please don't suggest anything too obvious, I understand The Communist Manifesto should be on there, but works that get forgotten about or just are generally less obvious than that.
Also of ppl have already existing lefty charts they want to post that would be awesome to, the ones I've seen before are always lacking, but maybe...
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pic related is the only other left chart I've saved

I'm still working through the fundamentals myself so I can't suggest much other than perhaps some Howard Zinn, Jodi Dean, or Simone Weil. The Platypus Society website also has pretty extensive reading lists, maybe you'd find those helpful. I'd also really appreciate some Latin American perspectives if you can include those in your chart.
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Reading the Iliad but it's so fucking boring. Have you read it?
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What translation are you reading? It better be Pope.
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Keep in mind it was made when there like like, no action movies, so long descriptions of dudes fighting as the most exciting thing they had back then. It's really not worth bothering with now.
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>>8389472
Reading a Finnish translation.

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Make fun of him, but you know he is right and Nietzche and Stirner are just memes.
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Stirner is a meme. Nietzsche not so much.
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>>8388801
Nietzsche is Stirner with extra edgyness.
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>>8388804
the other way around senpai
sage sage

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It's sad how few people on /lit/ have actually lived. I mean really lived. There are so many aspiring writers here who haven't even left their own country, or have only left it to holiday with family in their youth. There are people here who have not experienced a series of tumultuous relationships, people who have not hitchhiked for hundreds of miles in whatever direction suits them best that moment, people who have not found themselves drinking hard liquor with a gang of strangers at 2am in a city they can't even remember the name of. Me? I've done all these things. I've traveled the lonesome highways, caught trains and buses and sat shivering and damp in the passenger seats of cars belonging to people who told me more about life than the lonely and callow narcissists on this board ever have. I've gazed lovingly into the eyes of women who taught me the ineffable secrets of their mysterious sex. I've worked more jobs I can remember and learned more skills than I will ever need. I have made friends and enemies from coast to coast and experienced more emotional peaks and valleys than most people here can even comprehend. How can you guys even call yourselves writers when you haven't even mastered the world about which you are intending to write? How can you expect anybody to take your writing seriously when you have experienced barely more than a child afraid of what lies beyond the boundaries of his comfortable little world? My writing flows with an assurance that reflects my own internal state. The dialogue I write is representative of the parlance of the man on the street, not the child in the abstract universe you have concocted to compensate for the fact that the world outside your window terrifies and confuses you. When I write a profound sentence I do it knowing I will be understood and admired not only by the academic whiling away a quiet afternoon in his armchair, but also for the orphaned young man working sixty hours a week as a knuckle-puller in a Sheboygan abattoir. And all this at the age of nineteen, my literary life almost entirely ahead of me, several USBs hanging from my keychain full of stories that would no-doubt make the pale and sheltered suburbanites that browse this board gasp in incredulity. Next month I move to New York to begin a degree in English Literature, focusing on creative writing. The professor phoned me as soon as he had read my application to ask that I choose his university (it's one of the best in the country, why wouldn't I?) with the promise that he will personally guide me over the next three years, or however long it's going to take for me to get my first book out there. Have you lived /lit/? I mean, really lived?
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Calm down, Bukowski. What you did on your gap yah doesn't make you an interesting person. An insufferable one, maybe.
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>>8385483
7/10
not bad, OP, not bad.
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>>8385483

Maybe, but I know how to tickle my prostate with a small griffon dildo from Bad Dragon.

It's all about unique experiences.

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What's wrong with Russell's History of Western Philosophy? Everyone says that it's a bad choice and has biases, but never told me how it's biased. From what I've read so far, it's quite solid. What do you think about it?
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He uses dry humour as a platform for simplistic views.
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>>8385036
it's not enough as an intro to philosophy but it's not that bad. slightly biased but there are no fallacies
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>>8385037
>He uses dry humour as a platform for simplistic views
Please elaborate.

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Questions That Don't Deserve Their Own Thread:
Does /lit/ already have these threads?
12 point font or 11 point font?
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Yes.
12.

What's the best academic edition for Hamlet and The Merchant of Benis?
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Is Pynchon just shitty genre fiction with great prose? I feel like I'm having way too much fun reading Gravity's Rainbow.
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How are hogarth's translations?
I just got dead souls off of gutenburg and I noticed he's the translator
Haven't heard much about him

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What's with some science fiction novels being nearly great, but desperately in need of editing, considering the latter third or half of a story loses steam or compulsion? Why didn't they just retain quality by making it shorter?

I don't get it. We're past the sexually erpressed rea of the Big Three writers, and modern writers should have absorbed their strengths and improved on their weaknesses. Yet the state of science fiction is embarrassing, so what gives?

>inb4 impotent autist "reports" the thread.
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Yes I made some embarassing typos, which only corroborates my point.
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Sci-Fi books are created for an audience. You know who this audience is. The publisher cares more about plot devices and action scenes than thematic elements and such.

No doubt this is how Gene Wolfe got through the publishing scene (torture is cool man!) or Joe Abercrombie or Scott Lynch.
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That's pretty insightful, I dont know how I missed that since Ive made that observation in the past for different areas of science fiction. Ah capitalism, you never let me down.

In defense of Wolfe, who I admire, Wolfe's story has almost nothing to do with the actual process of torture, especially not to the extent of Abercrombie. In fact almost none of New Sun could be considered filler, since many of the lengthy ramblings actually are key to answering the narrator's blind spots, or develop his...
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Wondering who here in Toronto is still interested in *ahem* being friends. Last thread there was talk about setting a discord server, honestly I haven't used discord so I don't know much of the details there. I just have an email torontofosterwallace@gmail.com which anyone people in Toronto can email if they're interested.

Besides that, everyone is welcome to talk andor continue talk about meeting up from last thread.
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sure i'll be there
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Can someone in Toronto go shopping with me and tell me what shiitake mushrooms to get and which ones aern't spoiled, and also how to make a greek salad
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sent ;)

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Be me
>mid 30's
>stranded in foreign country
>horrible divorce after decade long horrible marriage
>said country does not recognize rights of foreigners to gain custody
>ex-wife stole all savings except $700 US
>devolve into high functioning alcoholism
>steady job but mind numbing
>drink at least 750ml of scotch per...
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>>8387801
what are you talking about dude?
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I am talking about having your serious work ignored but something you never intended to be public being praised.

Maybe like The Wiggles. Imagine them. I am sure none of those guys thought, "I am going to be a super famous children's songwriter." They all probably had serious musical goals.
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How do I have meaningless sex with 4-5 new women per week?


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