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I'm suddenly gaining an interest in fiction /lit/erature. So far, almost all of the fiction stuff I read was fantasy or post-XXth sad novels. I'm looking for classic novels, love stories, people in conflict with themselves, I don't know, something beautiful. What would you rec me?
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>>8375831
Something easy,
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>>8375840
jk just check out some plot summaries and find something that sounds interesting. Spoilers aren't really a thing.
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I'm seeing a lot of interesting political movements in the world today and I can't help to feel that is likely that a similar thing has happen before.

Maybe we are 20-30 year from something like the fall of an empire or something similar but you guys might know more, so what can I read about a similar historic period to know what to expect?

Things are pretty degenerate today so that might be a sign
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The whole west is in Weimar republic mode. So go and read Spengler if you have to.
>Things are pretty degenerate today so that might be a sign
Honestly, was there ever a time when it wasn't like that?
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>>>/his/
>>>/pol/
>>>/pseud/
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>>8375817
Of course, but I think maybe the deegre of liberties present has been seen in other declining civilizations before. You know how this is we go from one extreme to the other in a few years

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>against the day
>fall 2006
>inherent vice
>late summer 2009
>bleeding edge
>fall 2013

are we getting a new pynchon novel next september??????????
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>>8375787
you jinxed it, fuckwad
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>>8375787
No, I just spend all my time on here now
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>>8375821
Do you have anything in the works at least?

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End, Middle, Beginning

There was an unwanted child.
Aborted by three modern methods
she hung on to the womb,
hooked onto I
building her house into it
and it was to no avail,
to black her out.

At her birth
she did not cry,
spanked indeed,
but did not yell-
instead snow fell out of her mouth.

As she grew, year by year,
her hair turned like a rose in a vase,
and bled down her face.
Rocks were placed on her to keep
the growing silent,
and though they bruised,
they did not kill,
though kill...
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>>8375769
>let him drill you into no one.
I'll drill that ass into no one lmao
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the images seem haphazard and sloppy (though most modern poetry is like that) but evocative. i like her a bit, she's more intense and interesting than her compatriots like lowell.
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Kobayashi Issa

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>he thinks metrics and rhymes are important
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Poetry is just shitty prose without metre , rhyme, wordplay, etc. Etc.

Regards
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>>8375747
Pic related is what happens when you throw out metre and rhyme desu
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>>8375747

>removes everything that classifies writing as poetry
>calls it poetry

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>I guess, so, well, yup, uh...
>THIS IS NOT AN EXIT.

What the fuck did I just read? (Should I watch the film?)
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>current year
>not watched American Psycho
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>>8375777
I've just put off watching it for years saying I was going to read it first.
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>>8375742
While Christian Bale is who I see when I read the book, I think the film is worse. Obviously it couldn't be as graphic but something else is missing as well. And I hated the stupid chase at the end where suddenly everything is from the girls perspective.

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I found these on my dad's bookshelf today

How did I do? Was my dad /lit/ in 1995?
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>No Ulysses
>No Gravity's Rainbow
>No Infinite Jest

FUCKING PANNED
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>>8375462

Please don't be rude about my dad
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My professor had us read the Ghost Road but not the others in the trilogy. Are they worth checking out? I did like what I read

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'Whatever exists,' he said. 'Whatever in creation exists without my knowledge exists without my consent.'
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>>8375438
well, who said it reddit?
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>>8375461
gui'hds
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>>8375461
The one who will never die

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What is the opposite of Solipsism? Like believing that everyone is normal except for you and that you are broken or incomplete?
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The opposite of solipsism would be that you don't experience anything
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>>8375277
According to Wittgenstein, the opposite of solipsism is realism (from the tractatus), but somehow they can both be true at the same time.
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>>8375277
>What is the opposite of Solipsism?
It's definitely not believing that everyone is normal except for you and that you are broken or incomplete

The opposite of Solipsism, is Solipsism, and by that I mean: believing that "others" exists and that "you" do not. It's paradoxical psychosis dude.

>>8375292
>witty
This is probably the correct answer

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"I have finished works that will never be destroyed by fire, iron, time -- not even the wrath of God. When that day comes, let my life be ended: the better part of me will fly eternal to the stars, and my name will last forever. In all the world I will still be heard, and my fame will endure for all time." - Kanye West, 2014
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he is this generation's closest thing to Einstein.
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>>8375265
He's right.

Thanks to the set-up of the net, an 11 year old brazilian teenage girl lip-synching to Katie Perry will last until the end of civilisation.

Within our lifetimes you will be able to backup all the data that has ever been output into a physical space that fits in your palm.

The age of expiration, of decay and of the death of ideas is over.
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>>8375283
>Within our lifetimes you will be able to backup all the data that has ever been output into a physical space that fits in your palm.

Have you ever heard of Beckenstein?
You can't physically increase the amount of information contained in a finite space, and the amount of information we generate is growing exponentially faster than our storage efficiency.

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i want to read kant - what is necessary for me to read beforehand so that i'll understand him?
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Greek philosophy.
Berkeley, Leibniz, Hume.
Some familiarity with Newton philosophy and physics can be useful.
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>>8375225
is descartes unnecessary? what about augustine/aquinas?
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>>8375219
why?

Why should I read books when all the information I could ever want is easily available on the internet?
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>>8375212
I'm reading that.
Good shit.
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I don't care
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Why should I listen to music when all the sounds I could ever want are easily available on the internet?

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RIP Slovenian Heideggerian philosopher Ivo Urbančič

Friend of our boy Zizek
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>>8375202
Sadly the meme Slovenian is popular and a possible actual philosopher is not.
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>>8375209
no real slovenian
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I seriously doubt Slovenia has produced more than one person I should remotelycare about

I'm looking for a book that is extremely intense, which will take you through the twilight zone of your own thoughts. Idk whether I'm looking for a book that is entirely a metaphorical journey, or a book which is a lot of dialog between two characters, like when Obrian in 1984 is interrogating Winston, I don't even know what I'm looking for. I'm looking for a book which takes me down a twilight zone of thought, and is possibly an extremely uncomfortable and frightening place for your thoughts to go. I don't think I'm looking for a conventionally told story either. I don't know what I'm looking for to be honest, I've sort of just had this feeling of the sort of text I'm looking for for a very long time now, and I feel that I'll know that I'm reading it when I find it.
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>>8375176
Read Hunger by Knut Hamsun.
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Just do some strong Salvia with Xenakis playing

You'll probably have a really nightmarish trip but it'll be intense at least
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>>8375261
https://youtu.be/S-GEbbgT5Io

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Can a fan fiction be literary? Is writing/reading fan fiction pleb?
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No. Yes.
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Anything has the potential to be literary.
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>>8375155
Yes. No, but pretty much yes.

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>reads an awesome and interesting book series
>it ends on an unfinished 20 year cliffhanger
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>>8375118

>reading for plot
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>reading genre fiction

what a pleb
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>reading
anon....

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>finish a book
>all those treasured moments are nothing but paper and ink
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>live a life
>all those treasured moments are nothing but memories and mementos (emphasis on the meme)
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>implying books aren't fooking magical
Nigga you are literally sharing thoughts, ideas, and emotions of men who lived hundreds, maybe thousands of years ago. Perceiving the world through books is the most authentic way of understanding the reality
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>>8375182
>Perceiving the world through books is the most authentic way of understanding the reality
literally cannot believe some people unironically believe this

What does /lit/ think of David Hume?

I tried reading his works, but his outdated English turned me off. Should I give him another chance?
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You should hang yourself
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Absolutely, Hume is a brilliant writer and you will struggle with Kant if you didn't read him. But even if not too read Kant you should still read Hume, he profoundly affected my life
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>>8375044
I will eventually, but not now. I'm still young and healthy and beautiful.

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>says he's completely sincere in his words and actions
>kills self
So basically he proved life isn't worth living?
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>>8375027
No, HE was convinced.
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>>8375027
His life, yes.
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>>8375027
yap

anti-natalism is the only sensible approach to life.

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Cats or dogs?
Tolstoy or Dostoevsky?
Voltaire or Rousseau?
Tea or coffee?
Lenin or Trotsky?
Aragon or Breton?
Beckett or Joyce?
Gass or Gaddis?
Star Trek or Star Wars?
Nabokov or Faulkner?
Apples or oranges?
Gravity's Rainbow or Mason & Dixon?
Finnegans Wake or Ulysses?
/lit/ or /his/?
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I'm hungry.
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Dogs
Dostoyevsky
Rousseau (More interesting politically, though Voltaire was a better writer)
Tea
Trotsky
Read neither
Joyce
Read neither (sorry for pleb)
Star Wars
Nabokov
Apples
M&D
Only read Ulysses
/lit/
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>>8375001
Dogs
Tolstoy
Rousseau
Tea
Lenin
N/A
Beckett
Gass
Star Trek
Faulkner
Apples
Mason & Dixon
Ulysses
/lit/

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>this is a librivox recording
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>>8374888
What is a librivox and why do you hate it?
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>>8374927
What did this guy mean by this?
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>>8374941
What did this guy mean by this?

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>There is only one really serious philosophical problem, and that is suicide.

So knowing this, and all of Camus' other ideas, how do we kill ourselves properly (i.e. in the most absurd way possible)? Does one seriously have to go through all the trouble to set up a "car accident"? Have it occur at some random time unbeknownst to us in the future? I mean there's got to be an easier way, right?
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>>8374881
He looks so hansom in this picture.
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>>8374881
>The meaning of life is whatever you can think of that stops you from killing yourself.

Suicide is for the philosophically infantile.
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the meaninglessness creates the meaning :DDDDDDDDDDD

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ITT: we post what we're currently reading
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>>8374755
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>>8374759
lmao sick
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>>8374759
Is it good?

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Guess what I just bought for $2
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>>8374689
I hope it's a noose.
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>>8374695
#rekt
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>>8374689
2 dollars more than what i paid. lol you got fucking scammed

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How do I read Ethics? I can't even get past the axioms of part I without completely getting lost.
Plz /lit/, I want to believe in God.

Anything for general advice to annotated editions would help!
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Get an edition with decent notes, read something online about the Ontological Argument and its history, Parmenides (might as well read On Nature, takes five minutes), Descartes and his ideas and, well, get a general idea about where Spinoza placed himself/was placed by history's accident in the philosophical debate.

Read the first two parts slowly, go back and reread the propositions and axioms he refers, make your way through assimilating the system. Parts three, four and five are more easily readable - I also think they're the weakest half of the book, but...
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>>8374568
Listen up. This book is the most profound thing I have ever read. By the end of it you will realize how to obtain intellectual love of God and transcend your casual existence. Pay attention and don't give up.
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>>8374591
*Causal

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I'm a big pleb and pic related is probably my favourite book. Some authors that I like to read are Bret Easton Ellis, Dostoyevsky, Chuck Palahniuk, Tao Lin, Cormac McCarthy, Irvine Welsh, Bukowski and Don DeLillo.

As you can tell, what I like is all a bit samey, and I'm looking for new stuff that I might like. Does /lit/ have any suggestions?
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>>8374367
infinite jest
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>>8374367
>Bukowski
stop reading forever please
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>>8374367
You're not very pleb desu. Read Homer.

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What does /lit/ think of David Mitchell?
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Really milking the peep show persona - a character he didn't even write.

He also married pic related - a professional poker player
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Only read Cloud Atlas, but his ability to bring to life wildly disparate characters is pretty amazing.
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Never read him but he sounds a bit tumblrish.

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I'm looking for a book to read while being on vacation. Thinking of something like "The four hour week". Any suggestions?
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The fact you have a job.
The fact you enjoy going on "vacation"
The fact you appreciate large breasts
The fact you even consider the idea of reading non-fiction
All these things tell me, in turn and in whole, that you are really, really dumb
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P-p-p pad it up
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>>8374237
What a usefull post. Thanks.
I am unemployed, Fact.
Why is reading non-fiction dumb?

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>pre 20th century
>all philosophers are theists or deists

>20th century
>most philosophers are atheists

Why?
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A lot of them just threw out the name and kept the substance - even though chaging the name is, sometimes, changing the thing itself.
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before Darwin it was nearly inconceivable that there was not an intelligent creative force behind the universe's complexity
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Where do you get your statistics?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_philosophy#Contemporary_philosophy

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Today is the feast day of St Dominic, patron saint of astronomers. Write a poem about St Dominic or about the stars, and let's see if it's any good
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Twinkle twinkle little star,
Point me to the nearest bar.

Where I'll booze and beer and barf,
Where last time I lost my scarf.

Twinkle dinkle little star,
alcoholic seminar.

Raise your glas and raise your voice!
Pick your drink and girl of choice!

Hickup pickup check out bar,
Now you feel like you're the star.
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>>8374128
>where last time I lost my scarf
Hits deep man
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>>8374128

Guess everyone is too impressed by my poetry to follow my act. Understandable.


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