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i need to download some suicide manuals like the complete manual of suicide or peaceful pill handbook just curiosity ok, pls help
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>>8358476
the holy bible
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>>8358476
My diary
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Call the national suicide hotline

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Post your bookmark
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I read chapters
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>>8358466
I figure if I can't remember where I left off I'm not doing a good enough job of reading
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>>8358491
I hate this board

ITT post your philosophical ramblings/woke thoughts.

People always need an excuse to do anything, no matter how innocent it may be; and even if none exist, they will make one. You can justify anything if you use the right words, it's all about finding which ones to say. That's the challenging part, the reason why we aren't all out commiting atrocities against all of humanity. All the little sins that don't matter as much, they don't bear as much weight, which is why we find ourselves guilty of them so so often.

Coming down after smoking...
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>>8358425
STAY WOKE F A M XD
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what if the color I see as red is the color you see as blue
what if you see fat girls as skinny, but because you were raised to like skinny girls, you like fats girls
it's like everything is Shallow Hal, but for everything
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i went to the cementery today, i have to go with my camera, i truly have seen it all today

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pinecone if your here right now, give us a sign.
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>>8358383
don't, Mr. Pinecone, it's a trap.
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>>8358383

stop with these threads please jesus fuck.

I am not Pynchon. I am actually just Stephen King, and I like coming here and checking up on you kids when I am not writing my new novel.
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just finished this, when does it get good?
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>>8358261
*when did
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>>8358261
it's "Gravities Rainbow"
you read the wrong book
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>>8358261
I just marathoned the first 20 pages, do I like it?

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I'm looking for well written literature that involves the ocean as a major part of the novel. Really any large bodies of water will work. I've already read(and loved) Moby Dick.
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>>8358210
Breath by Tim Winton is quite fantastic
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>>8358210
You should read Moby Dick, it's pretty good.

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What do you guys think about the concept that authorial intent doesn't matter at all in literary analysis?

Personally, I think it's bullshit and it's often used for dumb interpretations.
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Its just a way for people to legitimize their headcanon.
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>according to literary critics, literary critics should have higher status than authors.

Lol ok
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>>8358205
This. I've seen it often used by Tumblr-tier "this character is totally gay!" folks.

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What do you think about George Orwell's 1984 v.s. the current ideas of most liberals? What similarities can you make between the two? How accurate did you think George's prediction of the future was?
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>implying conservatives care about freedom
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>>8358175
Sorry if I didn't clarify lol. I know not all conservatives or liberals are the same. When I refer to conservatives I am referring to those that actively speak out against the black lives matter movement, or sjw feminazis. XD I mean pretty much anyone against Clinton could qualify cause she's the epitome of sjw feminazi, blm retard cuntbag
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>>8358191
>BLM
>sjw feminazis
>XD

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lmao who the fuck is talking?!?!
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why does /lit/ go through these meme of the month fads
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>>8358149
better than meme of the decade fads
big guy for you
death grips
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>>8358167
How about death trips?

Hi /lit/. What are some of your favorite books you read as a kid?
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Unfortunate Events
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these books were 10/10, like a more childish hitchiker's guide to the galaxy with elements of metafiction and a comic book style
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We read the first one of these in English class and I read the rest of them. Pretty fun reads.

There is a scene in I think the climax of the first book that I've seen multiple movies rip off, not sure if it originated in this book or another, but it's where a tripod picks up a character who then throws a grenade into its "mouth" or hole or whatever.

The exact same thing happens in a War of the Worlds adaptation and in 10 Cloverfield Lane. Maybe it originated in the War of the Worlds novel?

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There is something i really want to talk about, but the last time i made this thread, it received three replies. So, if you participate in discussion, i will give you an an invite to Aaaaarg.fail.

Who here has read the literary essay The Death of the Author by Roland Barthes? He lays down the argument that it is beneficial for an author (or artist) to not include any information about his/her life to the general public. This is because these works then exist in a vacuum. We cannot attach anything from it to a concrete event in the artist's life because we know nothing about the artist's life. Therefore, we are then able to more openly and honestly interpret the work.

Now i'm going to talk Shakespeare of whom we know nearly nothing (assuming he was not Marlowe in a wig or Adrian IV's great grandson). He is considered, by most, subjectivity, i know, to be the most skilled writer in the English Language. I do not attest that claim. However, he is also renowned as a great writer because of his existential themes and characterization. And, as i said, we know little of Shakespeare besides where and when his life existed. Imagine if we could discern his political, religious, and moral views all from his wikipedia page before we ever read a word of him. At the very least we could say that the spectrum of interpretation and by extension inspiration would be moderately, if not significantly, reduced. Imagine if we could trace the inspiration for King Lear back to personal story of his elderly father (or perhaps just a personal acquaintance) who was betrayed by their son or daughter. His works would lose their sublime, almost ethereal quality they carry today. It's not that people are simply placing Shakespeare at the top of pyramid without any thought. It's the fact that his works stand alone, not supported by a biography, a personality, or even an trustworthy image that allows us the freedom of interpretation to place him there.


Consider Hemingway. Academics and skeptics have a tendency to study his biography and character more than his works. His mother dressed him up as a child, and he compensated by being overly masculine in nearly all parts of his life. But imagine if he was as mysterious to us as Shakespeare is today. He still wouldn't be on Shakespeare's level, of course, but perhaps people would interpret what he wrote a little more creatively, a little more openly because they have no idea what kind of person the author was.


We can trace Bloomsday back to when Nora Barnacle gave Joyce a handjob for the first time. Edward Munch's the Scream is traced back to the eruption of Krakatoa. All these people simplified, their life's work, their hours of study and practice and struggle, dumbed down to a few notable life events. Should we know an author's life story before we read a word from them? Are we losing something in our search to uncover the individual?
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Everything any one person makes is entirely based on that person's lived experiences

To deny your audience any factoids is to leave analysis of your works forever empty and void of any real substance
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>To deny your audience any factoids is to leave analysis of your works forever empty and void of any real substance.

What is "real substance"? Words? Experiences? Why can't an artist's, knowledge, their wisdom, be transcended into a more coherent format through their art form? What is specifically lost when nothing more than the work itself is consumed. All emotions, all knowledge, can be transformed into a work of art.

Facts don't have to matter....
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Read Mao II by Don DeLillo

What books are canonical to /lit/? We should get an official list going

So far I have,

"The Greeks"
On Women by Arthur Schopenhauer
Infinite Jest by David Foster Wallace
The Bible

Am I missing anything important?
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Please stop ruining the board.
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>>8358008
Infinite Jest
'On Women' by Schopenhauer
Gravity's Rainbow
Lolita
Mein Kampf
The Recognitions
2666
The Protocols of the Elders of Zion
The Tunnel
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>>8358018
2666 is not a meme

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What book cures anxiety and being a loser?
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I suggest
infinite ____
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No book will do that, but maybe some Stoic literature would act as the impetus to deal with the anxiety. Try Epictetus' Enchiridion, or Marcus Aurelius' Meditations.
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>>8357969
On Women by Schopenhauer
Mein Kampf

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How do I make the jump from left to right?
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I guess Zumiez?
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>>8357869
become handsome, wealthy and attractive

basically FRAME/FACE/HEIGHT brah
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>>8357869
psychedelics desu senpai

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What do you guys think of Susan Sontag? I started reading her because I found out she was a Cioran fan.
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>Susan "Blame the Men" Sontag
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<3 her. against interpretation is a must read
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>>8357834
>Susan "I'm wearing a fucking bear suit your argument is invalid" Sontag
fix'd

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William Golding wrote an essay titled 'Thinking as a Hobby' in which he delineates what he believes are the three categories of thinkers, which can be crudely summarized with a da Vinci quote: "Those who see. Those who see when the are shown. Those who do not see." Or in other words: Intelligent free-thinkers, open-minded folk, fucking idiots.

My question to you all is, regarding stupid people: Do you think the world would be better off letting them 'think' on their own, or be directed—spoon-fed if you will—to think a certain way?

Schopenhauer's...
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>>8357843
>Those who do not see
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>>8357818
Part of me thinks its intensely immoral to coerce groups of people to do anything at all, yet another part of me thinks that the human tendency towards mob-mentality borne thoughtless actions (and even entire political movements) is one to be curbed if not wholly eliminated. So I guess my answer to your question would be similarly structured to most of my answers to either/or questions: a happy medium of both.

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Thoughts?
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literally the first cultural marxist intent on subverting Western civilization by promoting degeneracy, individualism, 'all is relative' cuckolding.

>"just interpret it any way you like lol"

Played into nascent capitalist (bolshevik liberal capitalism) ethos of atomized agents who pursue their own self-interest and opened up for any interpretation being as good as any other.

The original Derrida. The ultimate cuck.

the destroyer of Western...
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The original shitposter

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Just finished this, want to talk about it. Anyone else read it? Overall, I enjoyed it a lot, but

I was kind of letdown with the extent or lack thereof, of Nick and Klara's interaction. I feel like it could have been a lot more... significant?

[quote]Is Matty an aspie?[/quote]
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>>8357543
It's a great fucking book. I sorta see what you're talking about with Nick and Klara. A lot see the Klara sections as the weakest.

> Is Matty an aspie?

Maybe, I thought he reminded me of Pynchon, at least his secret job and then smoking weed and getting paranoid about it

The novel as a whole felt incredibly cinematic to me. Not only the creepy Texas Highway killer episodes (dat description of the video playing on CNN...)

Also, fuck the meme...
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>>8357543
I wasn't all that impressed with Nick at all. I liked the nuns and the Graffiti artist, the Lenny Bruce parts. And the black kid and his father. Didnt care much about the 70's art scene in New York. Or nick's dark secret backstory.
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>>8357580
Is there a lot of art life in this book?

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Has anyone read this? When does it get amazing/mindblowing, etc.

I've heard ridiculously good things and so far it's just edgelord rambling.
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>>8357449

You got memed on senpai.
His poetry expresses everything in that book much more succinctly.
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>it's just edgelord rambling.

Bingo.

It's edgelord rambling with great prose, basically.

Listen to >>8357461 and read his poems, especially The Message.
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>>8357449
its literally like two guys from r9k that masturbate to that book

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/lit/, can you help me identify a short story and its author?

Basically, the story is about these boys who go to a prep school and at some point they end up eating lunch with some older woman and the story ends with them trying to plan how to get hookers? Does anyone know what I'm talking about?

Pic unrelated.
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>>8357412
Holden fucks Phoebe
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>>8357413
S-Serious answers please, guys.
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>>8357412
Yeah, I know that story.

The Grand Dragon hosts a Georgia Barbecue, by Harry Styles

Which boards do you think famous authors or philosophers would frequent?

My guess:

>/pol/ (redpilled on reality)
Nietzsche
Evola
Hitler
Houellebecq
Heidegger
Plato

>/r9k/ (redpilled on women)
Schopenhauer
Eliot Rodger

>/lit/ (meme tier)
Judith Butler
Stirner
Derrida
Zizek
John Green
Laurie Penny

>/lgbt/
Foucault

>/sci/ (rational)
Richard Dawkins
Sam...
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Houellebecq is quite the robot desu
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99% of these people would find imageboards ridiculous.
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>/mlp/
>Kant

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Ok /lit/, here's the deal.

I have read hundreds of books in my life time; however, only around five have been fiction based.

Everything I have read has been related to theology and philosophy in earlier years, then entirely science based.

Which books should I read and in what order to map a solid and thorough trajectory through the history of fiction?

Where do I start?
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>>8357234
Space Chronicles: Facing the Ultimate Frontier

i swear to god it changed my life forever dude
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>>8357234

You don't need a list. Just read what looks interesting. We can help you narrow the options down. Do you like fantasy? war stories? would you like to start with The Greeks?

Although if you really want a laundry list, here's a good site that has a bunch of them:
http://sonic.net/~rteeter/greatbks.html
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>>8357234
I personally enjoyed the Fault in Our Stars by John Green. Really made me think about death and how we should appreciate everyone in our lives, since we never know when they'll leave. Let me know if you want some other suggestions.

/lit/ do you recite literary quotes to people irl?

is this a social faux pas that makes you seem like a pretentious douchebag? or does it make you seem cultured and well-read?
is it crucial you get the quotation right by the word?
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>>8357175
Rarely, and when i do I paraphrase unless it's a few words.
I think the Bible is the safest thing to quote aphorisms from without coming off as pretentious
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>>8357175
what a shitty quote LOL
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>>8357210
why is it shitty?

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help me. im a NEET and decided to be a novelist. wel my dad whose retired did at the same time. so we both do it in the same
home. the problem is I think I am better than him at it and all he does is talk
about his own book and I dont care about it. He does not care about mine and never asks me about it. things have gotten tense like I am competing with my own father. has anyone gone through fuckery like this before?
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Sounds like you are both immature individuals, cannot wait for your novels to appear in the cringe threads.

No but srsly dude this is some retarded shit you are pulling, why not you become mad happy that you can relate with your father on a passion so deep like literature. Cmon man, grow up a little and get some emotional intelligence while you are at it buds.

I would do everything to have my father love novels like I do. Instead, I'm trying to become more savy in History and failing at it, since Ancient Rome and WWI are his highest passions rn
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>>8357148
First off this is hilarious and you should write a story about it. Second you just need to tell him politely that he's distracting you. I live at home but go to school though and cant get shit done, motherfuckers are loud. Just got to focus as much as possible I guess
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What a fucking weird situation. Maybe he feels like he needs to be better than you at it because he is older, and is afraid of being surpassed by his son.

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>hmm nice book, I'm gonna buy it
>go to amazon
>this happens
why
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>>8357118
Free market bitch nigga, if you own something you set the price
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>>8357118
Maybe it looks nice
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>>8357118
Also, check the description, maybe it's signed or something

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where do i start with this guy
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>>8357088
I heard he was redpilled as fuck, so I'm monitoring this thread for suggestions of what to read on this based ass motherfucker
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>>8357088
With the greeks.
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His essay on fear

Why do people keep pretending like the savages who lived 3000 years ago could possibly offer modern man anything in terms of wisdom? Not even trying to stir shit up, the idea that great greek philosophers would amount to anything but fedora tipping highschool neets in modern age is absurd
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>>8357085
>its another historicist // baiting episode
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>>8357085
this BATE > your bait
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The idea that OP would ammount to anything but a fedora tipping highschool neet in modern age is absurd

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Anyone here have a /lit/ job? I've just started working as a proofreader. Bit antisocial, but you do get paid to just sit and read all day, so I imagine it'd be perfect for some of you guys.
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>>8357068
Nope, I work as asset protection.
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Where do you work if you don't mind me asking? I just submitted a bunch of job applications to various publishing houses.
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>>8357145
My dad is an editor/publisher, and up til now has been a one-man operation, but has too much work at the moment so has taken me on to help. So I got lucky, basically. Doubt it'll turn into a permanent job because I don't think he's looking to expand, but it's a nice earner over summer.

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I am testing a new thing to read books.
I will be printing them by myself, downloading them via pirating etc.
This way I have the best position both in $ and designing as I want. I leave big margins before printing so I can take notes etc.

I want to try it out first by printing short books, max 20 pages. They can be guides, short stories etc, anything that's inspiring. Any recommendations?
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stuff like booklets and things like that
just need names
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>>8357003
I do it in my job

Free laser printer that print in both sizes automatically. A3 pages to spend less in paper and I have a machine to put rings.

It is easy to use a kindle, tablet or phone, but I need paper...
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>>8357025
what does that machine called?

also any suggestions to read first? very short?

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>book spoils other book
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You can't really "spoil" literature, so you must be talking about genre fiction.

In which case: grow up.
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>book spoils the ending of an unrelated earlier book by the same author
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>>8356935
I see this repeated now and then on this board and have yet to see any argument why. It seems that people put a lot of imaginary baggage on the word "spoil"


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