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What are your opinions on this book, /lit/? Why is it considered great?
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>>8356900
Go read it, make up your own mind, and then make a post about what you think and invite us to participate you literal shit of a person.
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>>8356900
I just read it. I thought it was good because I liked Meursault as a character and I thought the story was good. Similar reasons to why I like genre fiction, and elitists will probably judge me for that but they can fuck right off.
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>>8356900
It's well crafted but I wouldn't call it profound. It is very good though because it crafts in theme in a nifty and concise way makng you ponder the themes which are presented in the book. In merely 120 or so pages, Camus manages to make you ponder the meaning of life and the nature of good and evil.

What does /lit/ think about pic related?
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Its dumbed down as shit but I found it useful. Also it's probably too long. I recommend it if you feel that you're not getting everything out of the books you're reading.
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Bump
this book also intrigues me but i don't know if it's worth it or not
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>>8357011
just tell us some shit from it

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>So I told John to write a poem with Satan as the hero.. he actually did it the absolute madman!
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There's nothing heroic about Satan in Paradise Lost. He's just an over-proud asshole.
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Someone post the Andrew Marvell greentext about paradife loft
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>paradife loft
I actually read a relatively modern book in French where they had decided to use a font that turned s into f, it was torture

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The Clod & the Pebble

"Love seeketh not itself to please,
Nor for itself hath any care,
But for another gives its ease,
And builds a Heaven in Hell's despair."

So sung a little Clod of Clay
Trodden with the cattle's feet,
But a Pebble of the brook
Warbled out these metres meet:

"Love seeketh only self to please,
To bind another to its delight,
Joys in another's loss of ease,
And builds a Hell in Heaven's despite."
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If it's egotistical it's shit
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>>8356729
Hegel claims that subject-object identity (the identity of subject and object is realized only in self-consciousness because only in self-consciousness are the subject and object of consciousness one and the same), such self-consciousness, exists perfectly only in love. What he means is that in love the self (the subject) finds itself in the other (the object) as the other finds itself in the self. In the experience of love subject and object, self and other, realize their natures through one another, and moreover...
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if time can cure love, was it love at all

I can order one of these right now.

Which should it be?
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Put the money in my PayPal account
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>>8356599
I vote for oblomov
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>>8356599
Let's be honest, anon, you're probably not going to make it through any of those.

Though, Infinite Jest is always the correct option.

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Anyone read this bad boy? Thoughts?
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>>8356570
I've never read Bernhard but I hear Gaddis was a fan so he should at least be worth a look. Which of his books do you recommend aside from this one?
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>>8356588
I've read only this one and loved it. You won't be disappointed.

I might sound deluded now, but it's similar to The Waves in the sense that a narrator is reminiscing about his friends and the way they shaped his character. The whole book is one long interior monologue.

It's very bleak and often humorous in its bleakness.
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>>8356570
I liked it a lot. It's the only Bernhard I've read.

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I like to read book about spongebob
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>>8356441
what a funny thread :D

sage and report
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>>8356445
Why?
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>>8356441

didnt even know anyone else owned that

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How come people always talk about The Castle and The Trial but Amerika is rarely discussed? I'm currently halfway through it and it's a fantastic novel. Granted, it does feel a little different from the other two but it is incredibly charming.
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I plan on reading it soon. How is it different from the other two and Is there a short story from Kafka thats simular to this book?
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>>8356361

It has the same theme of a character being obstructed from his main goal by different circumstances but it's generally flows a lot less abstract than the previous two.

>Dat chapter 3 of Karl exploring the house
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>>8356368

Also it feels a lot of it was inspired by Dickens work, no surprise giving how Kafka was a fan, especially one scene where Karl gives his name and it reminds me of the famous scene of Pip going into the origins of his name from Great Expectations.

Am I canon yet?
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Did you sell a third copy already?
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No one cares, shill.
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>>8356288
Counting free and paid downloads together I've moved 200 something copies at this point. I assume most of them haven't been read though since there aren't really any reviews from nearly all of those people.

Do you want to believe in magic, /lit/? Couldn't this world be so much more lovely if it were so?

I know a lot of you object to magic in literature, but why? Do you see it as a shortcut? As something not reflective of the true human experience? Could you envision a magic that was?

I've read my share of occult philosophy, and though it's not the most thought provoking, something about it tugs at my heart and fills me with a somber hope that there is some kernel of truth there. When you get into it, the lines between the mystic and the psychological...
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he Art of Magick and the Magick of Art - Miles Hingston

As mentioned previously, our brains are all about finding and decoding patterns, we are designed to think symbolically. Consider then that as children we have been taught what symbols to use to construct our model of the World. We are taught how to “spell”, or rather be put under the spell of language

Words are also symbols, when we think about things we are really thinking about the construction and interaction of various symbols, it is a code. This is the foundation of magical practice, language is an...
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>>8356298

I don't believe in a singular or unified magic, not in the "chaos magick" sense where you can will anything you desire into manifestation, but rather that the beating heart of magic is the personal and the ritualistic.
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>>8356306

I agree with this analysis overall. I have considered magic in a semiotic/deconstruction framework and it meshes well with my critical theory education.

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I'm trying to read the social contract in french and I've ran into a sentence I can't wrap my head around

"Ne pouvant se considérer que sous un seul et même rapport il est alors dans le cas d'un particulier contractant avec soi-même : par où l'on voit qu'il n'y a ni ne peut y avoir nulle espèce de loi fondamentale obligatoire pour le corps de peuple' pas même le contat social."

Can a french anon help me understand this?
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>>8356236
>reading philosophy in a language you can't fully comprehend
Nice même.
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It's saying 'stop reading this fedoralord political philosophy written by a hypocritical asshole and perhaps even skip the entirety of the enlightenment because virtually all of it is as self-gratifying as the Rouss'

I hope that helped.
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>>8356236
literally to blame for giving women and nonwhites the vote. he started the nonsense about them having moral worth

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As somebody who use to bonk skanks and now has a loving girlfriend, can confirm. What do the lovers of /lit/ think?
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>>8356220
it is natural for men like you to crave the validation of their existence and get depressed if they fail to feel relevant, responsible, dutiful.
The best way for a man to cater his need for approval is to serve some woman (and some of her children) through emotional&financial support, which he sees as ''a childish useless submissive woman'' [or whore and he feels betrayed by her]
Men are pleased to contribute to someone else life, to support their family.

Why women are a good way...
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Uh... Duh? Do men not get this?

This passage is truthful but hardly insightful.
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>>8356220
My neck hurts, you cunt.

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There is cockroach behind my bed. He is very loud. What is lit equivalent of this situation?
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the metamorphosis
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>>8356173
kafka - metamorphosis
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The Metamorphosis.

ITT: literary crushes
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>>8356102

>Dem eyes.

Every time.
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Got the complete nonfiction right here by my side.
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became a taxi driver (and writer) after graduating Princeton.
now showrunner for HBO.

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>it has a really good magic system
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>>8356088
Stop shitting up this board
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>>8356088
>It has magic
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I know it's a meme to hate George RR Martin but I like the way he handles Magic in his stories

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Is there a really good book about someone overcoming the desire to commit suicide?

Really need it at this time, /lit/. Please help.
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>>8356085

I'd tap that.

Either as she was zoning out and unable to fight back, or after she'd already passed on.

Looks delicious.
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>>8356085
The Bell Jar
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>>8356096
Post something useful or don't post at all, anon. Please don't contribute to the already abysmal shit posting /lit/ has been plagued with lately. Thank you.

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>A new edition of Miguel de Cervantes’ 17th-century novel Don Quixote, which sees the classic story of the would-be knight errant adapted into modern Spanish, might be making waves in Spain, but Don Quixote scholar Ilan Stavans has said that Andrés Trapiello’s new version is needed if Spaniards are to keep on reading one of their country’s most celebrated works of literature.
>“Was there a need for a modern...
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Updating spelling and punctuation is ok. Changing words, phrases, etc. is not ok. Rewriting with only the plot intact is abominable.

I prefer reading the original spelling though, I find it interesting.
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>>8356066
As long as they aren't burning the older version, I don't give a shit

capitalism, not even once
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>>8356066
>Many readers, said Llosa, are discouraged from reading Don Quixote from beginning to end because of the “antique vocabulary” and the scholarly footnotes
>tfw swedish "abolished" the plural verb forms

It's not that deep: the board
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>>8355966
Heh pick up Gravity's Rainbow and see how deep a book can really be.

There's cock imagery and pop cultural references.

You'd have to be really trained in literature to understand such genius
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Well, obviously? Believing something is beyond your reach makes you a bad reader and exceptionally uninteresting person to talk with.
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>>8355966
It is funny that there's disdain of plebs on /lit/ when most here are plebs themselves. They read mostly meme books that plebs have read for centuries. Sad.

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Hi /lit/.
As you can see with the picture, I am more of a /mu/ guy.
However I would like to get into literature.
I checked the /lit/ list of essentials but I really don't know where to begin.

Here is what I like :

>Music
MBV - Loveless
Radiohead - Kid A

>Video games
Silent hill 2
Dark Souls

>Movies
It's such a beautiful day
Virgin suicides
American beauty

>TV series
Six feet under
The...
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>>8355934
Wow, you sound deep as shit

Start with the Greeks
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>>8355934
The Sun Also Rises and Men Without Women by Hemingway
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>>8355934
The Greeks

Are they good?
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>>8355870
>genre fiction
>medieval
>fantasy
>swords and rugged men
What do you think, anon.
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>>8355870
I chucked reading those headers, most cliche book covers I've seen.
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>>8355911

kok

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ITT: essential grandma-core. pic very related.
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Have you read any of her novels?
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>>8355882
I've read the corn maiden and I lock my door upon myself.
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>>8355865
My grandma is redpilled as fuck, she'd never read a black

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Is it even worth it to read for recreation when you're not very smart?

I like reading and language, however I just feel like a pseudo-intellectual reading for leisure. Like one of those glasses wearing, bearded hipsters loitering with a book in coffee shops.

I know I'm not smart. I'm shit at STEM, graduating with a meme degree soon, have a 110 IQ, and have zero lateral thinking skills. I feel like a phony when I pick up a book. Who am I kidding? I'm not smart.
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>>8355811

You're being unnecessarily hard on yourself.

Just keep on reading.
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just go to /r9k/, sounds perfect for you
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>>8355811
>I like reading
cool
do that then

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At Chapters, looking for books to read. What are some objectively good books that won't look weird when my mom sees them?
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>>8355674
kill yourself Canadian scum
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>>8355680
It's cute that you feel threatened by my superior birthplace.

But seriously.
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>>8355674
Lolita. It's 2016, the very time to come out as a pedophile. You'll be considered a protected minority in Canada.

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Am I the only one who writes only to entertain people? I've been making fiction for a few years now, and I do it for the sheer joy of it and the joy that it brings people. Am I a pleb?

To be specific, I write horror stories on Reddit and erotic stuff in various other places. I really thrive on the idea of people getting pleasure out of my work.
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>>8355649
>Am I a pleb?
>on Reddit
Do you really have to ask?
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>>8355654
Reddit provides me with clear feedback and an interested base of people. What exactly is so bad about it, great tripping one?
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>>8355649
it is natural for men like you to crave the validation of their existence and get depressed if they fail to feel relevant, responsible, dutiful.
The best way for a man to cater his need for approval is to serve some woman (and some of her children) through emotional&financial support, which he sees as ''a childish useless submissive woman'' [or whore and he feels betrayed by her]
Men are pleased to contribute to someone else life, to support their family.

Why women are a good way...
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>rewrite famous lines like black gangsta thugs.

romeo! ayyo why the fuck yo nigga ass gotta be a romeo sheeeit.
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shiiiiieeet, nigga call me Izhmale, fews years back, nigga don't worry how long back, a nigga got bored, a nigga wanna get a little wet, shiiiieeeeet.
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wardines cryin yo
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To throw down or not to throwdow'h
That is the wackshits
Whether it is pimps in the grill
To boo be the gats and the pieces of uptown nigger hardass. By shack swoles

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I'd love to give this to a feminist.
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"Women are directly adapted to act as the nurses and educators of our early childhood, for the simple reason that they themselves are childish, foolish, and short-sighted—in a word, are big children all their lives, something intermediate between the child and the man, who is a man in the strict sense of the word. Consider how a young girl will toy day after day with a child, dance with it and sing to it; and then consider what a man, with the very best intentions in the world, could do in her place."
>tl;dr "women are children"
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I'm sure she'd love to read Arthur's rant on noise
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>>8355558
women are simply inferior

Is this a /lit/-style /r9k/-'woman-hate'-thread?

Would love to see a daily woman hate thread on /lit/, to redpill all the feminists and nu-male cucks on here

All women are mere holes; they're worthless whores.

>inb4 is your mom a worthless whore too?

Absolutely, a prime example of the inferior sex.

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Is it the most superior type of literature? Why or why not?
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>>8355524
It's the most relevant to our times, but that doesn't necessarily mean it's the best or that all of it is good.
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Not even close lol.

It was a necessary movement of self-consciousness, but it was really bad in developing it.

It's just a stepping stone towards a more enlightened and more sincere genre of literature.
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Don't listen to faggots like this though >>8355571

Pretty much anyone who starts talking about sincerity and "enlightenment" has no clue what they're on about.

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I jumped into this as a pleb and im feeling that i can only understand like 35% of it.

Please, tell me im not retarded
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>>8355486
you're retarded; it's not complicated
though as a pleb, good choice
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>>8355486
ka-moo le-tra-nger
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>>8355486
I first tried reading it in highschool, a lot of his references really went over my head. Just read it this summer (after first year of Uni) and I got a lot more out of it. It helps if you're at least semi-familiar with earlier absurd thinkers (ie Kierkegaard). Reading The Stranger first also acts as a good intro to some of the ideas expressed in Sisyphus. Also,

>inb4 start with the greeks

It does actually help to a degree. Camus is definitely working from the western...
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what would you define as "good prose"? what makes prose beautiful to you? people seem to be quite divided on this. also post examples of what you consider "good"
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>>8355482
>post examples of what you consider "good"
Romeo and Juliet provided an outlet to talk about sex in the classroom (...)
“Right. I think if they’d never had sex, they wouldn’t have killed themselves and stuff. I saw this video about how sex can, like, release stuff from your brain and make you crazy.” (...)
So tell me, Jack, since you don’t speak up in class and leave me guessing at the thoughts inside that head of yours. What do you think makes someone crazier—having...
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>>8355541

Placing my hands on his shoulders, I lowered my head and moved my ear against the warmth of his mouth, awaiting a response. For several moments I could hear nothing but labored breathing that sounded like an answer in itself.

"I don’t know," he said, his breath hot upon my hair. When he stopped talking, I pulled more tightly on his shoulders, drawing his mouth so that it actually pressed against my ear. "It can feel intense," he admitted.

Just as my right hand began to move...
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>>8355543
what is this from?

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>“You know, I don’t want to be offensive. But ‘Infinite Jest’ is just awful. It seems ridiculous to have to say it. He can’t think, he can’t write. There’s no discernible talent.”

>"But Stephen King is Cervantes compared with David Foster Wallace. We have no standards left. Wallace seems to have been a very sincere and troubled person, but that doesn’t mean I have to endure reading him. I even resented the use of the term from Shakespeare, when Hamlet calls the king’s jester Yorick, ‘a fellow...
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>>8355440
Can we make these retarded 'what did he mean by this', 'wow really makes you think', 'wtf i hate [x] now', etc. a bannable offense?
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>>8355443
what the fuck I hate (you) now
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>>8355443
Here's a (You)


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