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Why is this site so cancerous?
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filled with women
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normies
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What are you talking about, you can find really great books on that site.

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Tell me something c/lit/, why Nobel juries are afraid and constantly rejected the major prize to /ourguy/?
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There are three possible priorities to have:

1) Actually good literature (Houellebecq)
2) Ooga Booga Chatterjee-Goldstein's diversity novels (What they usually pick)
3) Shallow, forgettable schlock for teenage girls (Murakami)

Personally I hope they get taken over by non-bourgeois people with taste, so that they switch over to #1. But I suppose there's a chance they might get taken over by 14 year old girls and your favorite could win too.
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>>8793533
>14 year old girls like novels about jaded 30 something Jap male protagonists in fantasyland

Judging authors you've never read really is a /lit/ meme isn't. I mean Murakami is not Nobel worthy but Jesus man..
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>>8793658
in japan he is no person

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What do you guys think about Ayn Rand's work?
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>>8793483
Why does it trigger lefties so much? Why do they think people who adhere to objectivism are idiots. It seems like she just has a utilitarian philosophy. I read half of The Fountainhead but left it on a plane by accident, was actually pretty comfy tbqh i liked the architecture element a lot.
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>>8793483
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>>8793483
I think she is the least original author that everyone should still read. Her philosophy is a weaker version of those that inspired her (and their philosophy is not particularly interesting either), but she is indeed influential and to read her is a nice way to understand a lot of what is going on with the world right now (trump, government, migration, alt-right, sjws... of course she would be biased about those topics, but her bias might inspire you as a source of neutral analysis.)

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>I hate the protagonist in this book, therefore I hate the book.

Is this a valid criticism?
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It depends why you hate them. A character who is hated because they are a terrible person is very different to a character who is hated because they are terribly written
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>>8793454

Depends on "hate the protagonist" means. If he's a genuinely unpleasant character but the book has reason for it, then no. If the book expects you to like the character and find praise in him despite being objectively terrible, yeah. If "hate the protagonist" means you just think he's weird and wouldn't want to date him, of course not. If the protagonist is just plain boring and shallow, then yeah.
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>>8793454
Dorian Gray was a rel piece of shit but the book was great

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Are there any good books (contemporary or classic) with very, very short chapters? Each chapter being, as 1 to 9 pages at the most.
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>>8793412
I've got Armada by Steven Wilson here. It's an utter piece of shit in my opinion since apparently you already need to know what specifically named seacraft/aircraft vehicles are in WWII without any description. 444 pages and 31 chapters. If memory serves, that averages out to about 15 pages per chapter, no? I consider that to be VERY short chapters.

But yeah, I'm a fucking connoiseur of WWII firearms, but ships/planes? Nope, not a clue, and this book doesn't seem to have people like me in...
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Co. K

Almost every chapter is less than 3 pages. And it's fucking soul-crushing
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Anna Karenina. Chapters are rarely more than 9 pages, usually averaging at 3 to 5.

Post rules you would like to see /lit/ abide by, comment and critique others' rules and defend your own

I'll start:
No one should post about works they haven't read, unless the post is a question about the work and providing that question is not about whether or not the book is worth reading (e.g. "should I read x?" or "would you recommend reading y?")

Controversial, I know
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Eat a dick, statist scum.
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Similar to yours, OP, but more specific: No "helping hand" bullshit, including flowcharts. We should not let people who need an "infographic" just to read literature to take root and make themselves at home.

Absolutely, the most stupid people in the world need a helping hand just to read a book, and you guys aren't doing any fucking favors indulging these retards. They come back for seconds, and thirds, and fourths, etc.
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>>8793409
I like charts of literature of kind or by an author, but I agree that flowcharts are trash.

Charts helps us affirm and establish canonical works (within certain bounds, categories). It can help more advanced readers discover works by authors they're already familiar with, or works within a specific genre of literature. I use genre here to connote both kinds of genre fiction and genres of literature more broadly.

Anyway, I realize you only applied criticism to flowcharts rather than "charts,"...
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I will give everyone in this thread an invitation to aaaaarg.fail if you can tell me who wrote this unmarked book of poetry I found at the library. I've been particularly obsessed with pic related. It's a slim book I found between the shelves at my uni library. The side is worn, the front is blank, and it goes straight into the poetry with no intro, publisher, or copyright page.

I've already tried Google. No luck.

Help me /lit/. Can't tell whether it is good or bad yet, but I'm definitely intrigued.
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What are you doing with my dairy?
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Edge Mclord
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Pic of front.

First eight pages are missing. It starts on page 9 entitled "Statements"

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Dancing Tongues, (judging appreciated)

they've got no flavour
they've got no soul
they got no oumf-
they whimper on in a magicless fashion
like it's all been laid before
again and again, word after word
made of magic, every one of them they say
i don't buy much of anything they say
they can throw words like water cascading down rocks in waterfalls
and play on me until i'm red and raw,
but i don't see the magic in it
like a crawling on the skin
they all reek of arrogance with their 'finesse'
and they're dancing, like tongues around the dinner table
slapping away at happy faces, fucking without touching
crying without tears, asking without caring

i'm used to it by now, as sad as it seems
the proverbial fucking that we get everyday
although no actual fucking has been had
lawyers and school teachers alike
they all get theirs,
they slowly push in their throbbing manhood
with their, "how have you been?"
which of course - is just a form of foreplay
after that is when the real fucking begins
"me and Jerry have been holidaying in Peru"
which each word getting closer and closer to the orgasm
and when it's over and done they discard you
like some cheap emotional hooker,

i avoid them now, in bars and cars
and shops and homes, at parties and at all places
whenever i see a good fucking i know what it is
i smile and watch.
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>>8793353
oh god this board is so depressing. filled with so many delusional adolescent dreams just waiting to be crushed.
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>>8793358
i don't have any dreams of grandure, i just like to write, if it's shit i'm cool with it
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OP is enlightened.

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Do you ever write randomly to pass time? If so, post what you have. I don't consider myself a great writer but I find it fun to write an intro or ending to a story without any other prior investment or thought
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>>8793220
yeah I do it in class all the time, i'll try to find a notebook from last semester.
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>>8793228
nice. Interested to see it. Here's one of mine from tonight for example. Just pretty much started writing on something that popped into my head. No research when into it whatsoever either, as I'm sure Azazel would not be the figure I'm needing for that role. I was playing binding of Isaac though so its whatever
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>>8793228
Here's what I got, you probably won't be able to read any of it, I just like to show what it looks like. If anyone cares, I might type it up, there's a couple more pages.

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Kant's Categorical Imperative is just a bourgeois version of The Golden Rule
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>>8793203
Kant was a fraud desu, maximum undergraduate
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>>8793203

no.

im paraphrasing hard but human as end in itself =/= treat others as you want to be treated.
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>>8793203
Except not.

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Itt: We post our best finds of the week
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>and mine was rejected
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convinced this site is run by a /lit/fag

http://bunkermag.org/max-stirner-and-me/
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>>8793157
>The spike in Stirner’s popularity is probably due to his ascendance to a meme in leftist forums
Fuck you and your shitty blog, nobody wants to read about shitposts on /lit/.

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>that's very Wallacian
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>>8793051
*orgasm*
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this post is very [OMITTED] ... kafkaesque...
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Wallatian

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>I want the Guns N' Roses audience
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>>8792997

>dfw John Jeremiah Sullivan wanted both the GnR audience and the Wallace audience with that Axl Rose piece he wrote
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>>8792997
>I want the homosexual cowboy audience
what did Deef mean by this?
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>>8792997
He got me

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is the secret to good writing confidence?
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If you get to cocky you'll write shit and like it

Be the most severe of critics to your own work
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>>8792947
no, thats the secret to get pussy
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I think it's being an egomaniac with low self esteem, being a crippling introvert who can really only communicate through writing, and projecting all of your problems into your work.

Recommend me a book that encapsulates a similar feel to this recording:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=feu2owd0MsY
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Paradiso
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The Desert Fathers. Read them atop Mt. Athos in solitude.
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>>8792939
https://www.goodreads.com/shelf/show/cuckold

hey /lit/,

this is my very first time post on this board! i'm very excited!

i've been writing sad, amateurish & sappy poems for about a year now and i've finally compiled a bunch of them into a "collection" that's actually just a hastily made .pdf file.

i want to put them out where someone will hopefully read them, and my question is, is there a group on /lit/ that does that kind of thing?

kind of like how a netlabel on bandcamp puts out people's albums, i'm looking for a group or collective somewhere...
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>>8792882
posting*

my bad, don't want to seem like i don't PROOFREAD or anything haha
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If this were real life right now I would rape you.
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I think this is just the sort of young blood we need on this board.

Post a poem or three, let's see what you got.

>"Telling instead of showing" throughout almost the entire book

Literally unreadable.
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>No discernible talent throughout almost the entire book

Literally unreadable.
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>>8792854
is that really what you got from the book? holy shit
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How's your freshman year treating you, OP? Make any friends yet?

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>buy a used book
>only the first chapter has notes and highlighted phrases
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>buy a used book
>there's squashed bugs between the pages
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>>8792834
>don't finish a book
>underline some shit and dogear pages in the last half so if someone comes across it when I'm dead they won't think I'm a quitter pleb

learned this after going through muh grandpa's books after he died, he fucking never completed them, always quit like halfway in.
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>>8792834
>buy a used copy of Consider Phlebas for £3
>Find a £5 note used as a bookmark.

mfw when literature has made me more money than the average aspiring author on this forum.

What was the point of this?
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I'm just finishing it now and I'm not sure what to think. It's not bad, it goes down easy, but there's really nothing great or memorable about it either, it just sort of passed though me. Didn't even have as much style as Slaughterhouse Five. Vonnegut's OK but I think I'm done with him.
Also, it's making fun of scientism and religion you doof.
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Vonnegut was just having a laugh.
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>>8792868
Nah, he's mocking anyone who blindly follows any belief.

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How much would you charge for writing a ten page essay for someone?
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>>8792821
$10,000.

I don't want to write a 10 page essay for someone.
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>>8792821
Dollar or two a page. If you're a decent writer you can bullshit a few pages on any subject without saying much at all.
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$100

1. Be Writerly: If your writing is too natural, then there is no way it is scholarly.

2. Sprawl: Content doesn't matter, it's all about size. Critics are impressed by big books, so brevity should be dismissed.

3. Equivocate: If it doesn't make sense, there can always be a good excuse. Truth can always be distorted as long as it makes the writer sound good. For example, the plot isn't important because the lack of plot is what's important.

4. Mystify: If people think that your writing is smarter than their writing, then they will...
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Don't forget
11. Be Ironic: Make sure to keep a cynical distance from your art. The more ironic you are, the better, because if you were to have strong views someone might *gasp* disagree with you and call you a tryhard. Don't risk it.
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12. My dairy farm.
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13. My diarrhea farts.

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Name me a more patrician author than Edward Gibbon.

>protip: you can't

This is seriously some of the most comfy prose in English. Get in here you gorgeous faggots and talk about the fall of the Roman Empire. Ed is laying it down.
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It is sufficiently known that the odious appellation of Tyrant was often employed by the ancients to express the illegal seizure of supreme power, without any reference to the abuse of it. Several of the pretenders who raised the standard of rebellion against the emperor Gallienus were shining models of virtue, and almost all possessed a considerable share of vigour and ability. Their merit had recommended them to the favour of Valerian, and gradually promoted them to the most important commands of the empire. The generals who assumed the title of Augustus were either...
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The field of victory was often the scene of their election; and even the armourer Marius, the most contemptible of all the candidates for the purple, was distinguished however by intrepid courage, matchless strength, and blunt honesty. His mean and recent trade cast, indeed, an air of ridicule on his elevation; but his birth could not be more obscure than was that of the greater part of his rivals, who were born of peasants, and enlisted in the army as private soldiers. In times of confusion every active genius finds the place assigned him by nature; in a general state...
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Of the nineteen tyrants Tetricus only was a senator; Piso alone was a noble. The blood of Numa, through twenty-eight successive generations, ran in the veins of Calphurnius Piso, who, by female alliances, claimed a right of exhibiting in his house the images of Crassus and of the great Pompey. His ancestors had been repeatedly dignified with all all the honours which the commonwealth could bestow; and, of all the ancient families of Rome, the Calphurnian alone had survived the tyranny of the Cæsars. The personal qualities of Piso added new lustre to his race. The usurper...
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Started reading today and I'm about 30% into it.
Not trying to insult anyone, but does it get good at any point? So far it's just a rather dull (though concise and reasonably well written) list of things that happened in this man's life... which is very little.
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>>8792682
Pathetic fucking ADHD generation can't even finish Stoner in one session without having to come to /lit/ to pontificate about it.

Just fucking finish it.
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>>8792694
Right buddy, but does it get good? I'm just asking if it's just a long list, because that's all it is so far.
I'd finish it in one sitting if I were enjoying it.
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>>8792703
During the time it took you to write your reply to me, you could have finished Stoner.

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Dan Schneider claims to have written 1500 genuinely great poems. By comparison, the greatest published poet of all time, Rainer Maria Rilke, has only 77: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJrj7WvTt8Y

This makes Dan Schneider a literary genius the likes of which the world has never before seen. Hard to believe? Read his poems and judge for yourself: http://cosmoetica.com/Poetrylinks.htm

I'd link a specific one, but that shouldn't matter, as they're all supposedly great. His wife, of course, is the second greatest poet of all time: http://www.cosmoetica.com/Jessica%20Schneider.htm

He...
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Not this guy again

He's a rambling idiot
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>>8792641
I'll agree he's a narcissist, but for the sake of argument, may you explain?
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Dan 'Dick like a tin can' Schneider
Dan 'Get in the van' Schneider
Dan 'The Hymen divider' Schneider

etc.

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So, i bought a Kindle, downloaded everything from lovecraft and now i don't know where to go. Can you reccomend me the best occult/horror/mystery books you know. Anything with a sense of a bigger darker meaning goes too.
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>>8792554
>i bought a Kindle
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>>8792560
Got tired of spending money on books, now i can download everything for free.
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>>8792554
Because Lovecraft's work is almost entirely short stories I'd recommend other collections that are considered essential horror reading.

>Edgar Allan Poe's works
Lovecraft idolized the man and his best tales give a real horrific face to insanity, still worth to read him because he shaped as many people as HPL has.

>M.R. James' Ghost Stories of an Antiquary
He's considered to have perfected the classical ghost story....
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The saddest thing about the philosophy and politics threads on this board is that with the exception of a few, you are not only wrong, but are not even knowledgeable enough that one could even say you have an opinion. It is so obvious that so many of you have never cracked open a book—except for one you saw posted here, and i do mean one—and instead have chosen a few opinion pump websites to forge yourself on and use this place as your intellectual toilet when it all gets too backed up.
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>>8792373
cool
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"you cannot know nuffin"
t. le hemlock man
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having/formulating opinions on things that does not concern you is stupid and a huge waste of time/effort

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I won't do it lads.
Right now, I'm stuck with Human Action.
How is the challenge going on?
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>>8792339
Do you have to pick from their list of books? I already have mine picked out for the rest of the year.

Interested in challenging myself with it in 2017
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>>8792508
You just set how many books you want to read for a year.
How many do you think you can read next year?

I'll try 50 again.
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1 book away from 200%. No I didn't set the challenge to 1 book.

>inb4 why are you losers reading for arbitrary numbers / why are you losers showing off / do you losers really need to set goals and force yourselves to meet them in order to read
It's really just a helpful forecast of the coming year, and you can keep track of how well along you are. I don't think anyone takes it this seriously.

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How do you guys feel about this? Is it okay to censor literature or is it wrong to showcase works that use words like nigger that are frowned upon nowadays?

http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/dec/1/huckleberry-finn-to-kill-a-mockingbird-pulled-from/
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>>8792289
Proof that SJW and butthurt culture is no longer a vocal minority
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>>8792295
Lad this is about Virginia, not California. This one isn't on liberals. Conservatives have a long history of banning books for retarded reasons.
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>Banning race mixing propaganda is a bad thing

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Are there any philosophers that discus local action and local problems?
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>>8792266
You simply apply traditionalist philosophy on a local level and build a community.
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>>8792266
Local Masonic Lodge.
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Do you mean communitarians?

Elaborate on whatever you mean with local action and problems.

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Anybody reading some good poetry tonight?


Got my hands on this old copy of "The Collected Poems of Rupert Brooke".

Anyone know anything about it?

Also, general poetry thread.
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Forget to show these two.
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>>8792217
That looks pretty. How is it so far?
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>>8792247
Actually, very nice. I'll show some of it.


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