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Is there anything comparable to this guy in the world of literature?

>Self taught
>Vast technical knowledge of medium
>Not afraid of going low-brow, hides his powerlevel a lot
>Great sense of humor
>Rejects most of the "high class" community of the medium
>Hated by most mainstream critics because of being too hard to pin down
>Has work through...
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Was Zappa the original meme?
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>>8325344

He was one of the first memers in music for sure if you consider obscure inside jokes that nobody understands a meme.
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Pynchon is the Zappa of literature

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I've read tons of books but for whatever reason, I'm having a hard time reading this one. He seems to love using commas and the narration jumps around a lot. Anyone else have this problem or am I just retarded?
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what else do you read?
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i hated it, i wonder if GR is worth it
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>>8325381
read M&D instead

Hello /lit/. It seems that everytime I ask the question "where do I start" on this board I get the same answer, "with the Greeks". I understand that the Ancient Greeks are basically the fundamentals of literature, but I wasn't exactly asking for a genre or a time period. I was asking for a BOOK. What BOOK do I start with? With the Greeks? What Greek book should I start with? Thanks in advance.
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>>8325109
One of those Cambridge short introductions or something.
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>>8325109
A number of Greek philosophers wrote some great introductory works to philosophy, you should start with them.
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>>7628174
the last link

Just wanted to share my latest journal entry. Feel free to post yours too.
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just want to let you know you're gay
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Better Nate than lever LOL
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>>8325119
thanks anon

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Damn. I'm 200 pages into this and I haven't been this impressed with a book since GR. Vollmann's prose is amazing. Unlike his other work I've read (which I've tally enjoyed) this book so far has been extremely consistent, quality wise.
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Really*, not tally. I'm on mobile and have big thumbs.
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Haha that sounds so gay. Tally ho my good man
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>>8325328
Ironically the 18th century was a far more heterosexual time period than nowadays.

The kind of men to whom that phrase would be current would likely think you a bit of a soft-handed arse bandit yourself; you wot couldn't slay a vole with a hatpin.

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ITT: Select a single book that encompasses a crash course in your chosen field of study. Philosophy, sociology, economics, whatever...
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>>8325072

ez
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>>8325072
The manual to Ford F-Series trucks
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The Engineering of Consent by Edward Bernays

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I've finally snapped. After literally months of reading almost nothing because Nicholas Nickleby was SO FUCKING POINTLESS AND BORING I've finally cast aside the spooks and decided to stop reading it.

What should I read next, out of the books in picrelated?
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>>8325047
dostoyevsky or rand
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>>8325047

>The Idiot

Because you are one.
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Read great novellas you've never read so you're never bogged down by mammoth sized books that you will lose interest in half way through.

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This guy wants to be a European so bad LMAO
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>>8324986

>wants to be European so bad
>dies the most American death ever (goes on a bender and coopted by political party strongmen for petty election voter fraud before being left to die in a Baltimore gutter)
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Is this the 'muh heritage' thread?
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Compare Poe to Cooper, Hawthorne, Melville or Clemons.

While the latter write about distinctly American settings & characters, Poe is always trying to ape the Europeans by referencing obscure greeco-roman mythology to show off his 'aristocratic sophistication'. A good deal of his stories are set in Gothic-style castles or something.

Poe wanted to be an aristrocrat but his adopted dad wouldn't let him lol

Do Roald Dahl novels have literary significance?
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>>8324960
what the fuck is "literary significance" you pretentious sack of shit
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They do to me and a lot of other people around the world, I'd imagine
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>>8324978

is he as good as Pynchon, DFW, Hemingway, Dickens, Austen, etc.?

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This thing is the best ereader, bar none. I don't believe anything else even comes close.

There is one caveat to the reader though. It only accepts PDFs. BUT, and I want to point this out, a properly formatted PDF looks so much better than an autoformated epub or mobi. The reader itself is very nice. I bought one off amazon and I've been using it for about 2 months. It's super lightweight, like less than any magazine. You can even read comics on the thing.

It has a really nice OS. Allows creating workspaces where you can use the pen to write, circle,...
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>only accepts PDFs
if you're going to shill a product at least lie about the god awful negatives to purchasing it
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>only accepts PDFs
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>>8324940
>e-readers
Enjoy your diminished attention span and inferior retention

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OK, so now you move to NY in order to become a socialite. Which of these latest bestseller books are you willing to read?

I'd take Daniella Steele. Even the Simpsons talked about her work and I was just about to find a decent female author for a change.
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>>8324926
I'm already here and no one gives a shit about what you read.
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>>8324933
You evidently spend your days here blowing cock to come up for the rent in Old Winslow Hotel. Go find a better! For instance: hire a consort and hit the museums.
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>>8324963
I don't know what language you think you're using but it's not English.

Isn't it quite scary how the "dystopian" future in Fahrenheit 451 doesn't seem all that dystopian in our current year. Ray Bradbury talks about women having 3 husbands, 10 abortions meanwhile having no regret, or remorse at all, as if that would be so strange, but to us it isn't. To us it is a common phenomenon . Also how ideas are silenced and how political correctness has taken over the world where any form of criticism or opposing thought is banned. Not to be political or anything but the world in Fahrenheit 451 seems like a world where liberal establishment...
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>>8324908
Tell me how "political correctness" has taken over the world when 70% of the United States (I'm assuming that you're just an upset, privileged 15 year old) sees it as a problem.

Also, what the fuck is the deal with the term "political correctness?" Do you realize that there are other words for it? Inoffensive, sensitive, considerate, etc
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>>8325066
>70% of the United States

Yea, no. Maybe on 4chan but not in the mass public eye.
almost all radio hosts, tv news broadcasts and newspaper editorials are beyond politically correct to the point where a lot of the media outlets in Europe weren't even reporting the name of the shooter in Orlando, The internet is the only refuge we still currently have for free speech and it seems like it is the next target for silencing. Even more so after all these bannings by twitter recently.
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>>8325104
>all these bannings by twitter recently.
Oh my god, how tragic

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Do you read audially or visually?
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Dialectically.
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Ethnically
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braille

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Is 4chan a literary medium?

Discuss.
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I like a girl with a great big ass
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Before
U
May
Perish
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Australia is in overdrive.

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Hahaha analytics btfo

Anglos btfo hahahaha
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>>8324891
Fake quote. This is just a modified version of a diffrent fake quote that was about how voters are stupid and that they would believe anything
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analytics dont get enough shit desu. Continentals are too busy with actual relevant philosophy i guess
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>>8324902

Wow, nothing gets past this guy!

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someone on /lit/ said that the literature board on reddit (/r/literature) wasn't too bad so I'm here to lodge an informal complaint
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>>8324889
They probably meant 'it isn't too bad compared with r/books'.
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>>8324889
How do you feel about /r/writing?

“His verbal poetic texture is the greatest the world has ever known, and immensely superior to the structure of his plays as plays. It is the metaphor that is the thing, not the play.”
Nabokov

“Shakespeare seems to have regarded his own perspective as being as unreliable as anyone else's, and less suppressed his own ego than "vanished" it, clearing the way for an apparently infinite capacity for human empathy. There is no one – saint, monster, sage or fool – that he couldn't ventriloquise; but to do so he had to remove himself wholly from...
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I agree 100% with the nabokov quote.
The second one I don't know.
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>>8325017
>I agree 100% with the nabokov quote.

me too
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>>8324886

These are exactly the two things that make Shakespeare the greatest writer of all time.

Either one alone would be enough to make him a great writer. The combination of the two is almost a miracle.

However, between the two things it is his verbal ability that is the most impressive: I have never seen anything like it.

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>get to the exciting part of a book
>don't read it again for another few days
Does anyone else just bask in the tense feeling?
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I get up, walk around, maybe listen to some music and get back to it between a few minutes and a few hours later. I also do this for films, which makes it hard to them with other people. Probably autism.
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No as I don't read books with plots.

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>reading Pynchon
>not relaxing
>not sitting down to read it
>not reading at a brisk pace
>getting caught up on all the characters, references, and themes
>taking him seriously
>not taking him seriously
>not re-reading

http://www.wikihow.com/Read-a-Thomas-Pynchon-Novel
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>start with AtD >MD should only be read by diehard fans
Mfw I have no face
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i'm halfway through Gravity's Rainbow and haven't read any of his other work yet, so i'm by no means a Pynchon expert, but i agree. i didn't really start to enjoy it until i just said "fuck it" and read the damn thing; yeah i don't get a lot of the references, but i get some of them, and when i started i assumed it was 100% "serious" so i read it like so, until i realized there's loads of clever jokes throughout. and around part 3 i decided to go back and re-read the first 50 pages or so and it was that much clearer. i look...
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>>8325146
That's been edited at least

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Write something funny, off the cuff /lit/

Humor critique thread:

Remember you're anonymous, no one gives a shit what you say, so just attempt it. Even if it's shit.


I'll go first
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>>8324839
>I'll go first
>Doesn't say anything
I guess we were all doomed from the start

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I'll post my edition in the following post:
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WTF is the deal with this edition? I ordered a paperback edition online, hoping to get a big book like I've seen around in other threads, but I got this shit instead. Super fragile, bad paper, upper margins nonexistent.
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>>8324814
inside
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>>8324818
Seems fine to me.

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Does Endymion not hold up? I'm halfway through Hyperion's second part and don't know if I should pick it up after. I've only ever seen Endymion referred to negatively on /lit/, but without reasons given as to why it's bad.
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>>8324804
It's a pretty good cologne, if I'm being honest. Great for Sundays.
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>>8324804

Why does everyone praise Hyperion so much? Of all the sci-fi books consistently recommended, this one was painful to plow through.
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>>8324837
I'm liking it well enough. During the first book, starting with the most interesting backstory and following with two of the least interesting was a bit of a bore, but all the bits of revelation near the end were satisfying. If you want painful, read New Sun.

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Do you give up on books you're disliking? Even when they're Western canon books that people will accuse you of being a pleb for not reading?
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Ya.
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>>8324794
I'm in the middle of A Tale of Two Cities and I want to blow my brains out but I'm going to finish it because of that fearful reverence we all share for "the canon"
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>>8324794
>continuing something you hate just to show off

ISHIGGYDIGGY

I've dropped three books i hated. Two i still own cus they're old, nice books and one is a Dostoyevsky.

Read what you enjoy OP

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>Spent a month reading Faulkner, McCarthy, and The Elements of Style
>Now 90% of the books I read have bloated prose and I can't enjoy them

Rec me some writing with strong, succinct prose.
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>>8324772
>Yeand and and and and and andCarthy
>"strong" or "succinct"
Get fucked, corncobber.
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Try any Hemmingway.
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Look up minimalist writers. Raymond Carver is a good one, I'd recommend Fires for a good selection of his work.

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Feedback thread

http://pastebin.com/UbZHnQMa
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>>8324737
>>8323650

what do you guys think about this writer? Please share your personal opinions about his books and story line. I'm pretty much enjoying every book of him.
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Dude, Daniel Radcliffe got old.
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Does that guy look like danie radcliff retard?

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I got caught in the rain. Now all my books are wet in the corners. The pages will be fine, but it will leave a dark spot from the water.
Has anyone successfully remove this watermarks?

I can't live like this
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Get rid of the dark spots fast or they'll keep growing until eventually you'll have to get Trump to fix it
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>>8324824
>Get rid of the dark spots fast
but how
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>>8324844

Surgery.

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Do you just cut the over off of books with ugly covers? I do. Is it bad?
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No, they are your books.

You could feed them all unread into a furnace and it would still be fine.
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>>8324684
I'd probably think you're autistic for caring that much, but they're your books so I couldn't care less.
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>>8324684
What a cute duck.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Potter_and_the_Cursed_Child#Production

>Some fans were surprised that a dark-skinned, Swaziland-born Noma Dumezweni was cast as Hermione, sparking fervent online discussion.
>In response, Rowling said that Hermione's skin was never specified as having been white.
Is this /pol/, /tv/ or /lit/ related? Posting here because a script will be published.

She's a complete sell out now, isn't she, /lit/? Or is she pressured from some tumbl black lives matter...
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>>8324668
>>>/tv/
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>>8324668
She wants brownie points. In the 21st century, being "progressive" is considered lawfully good.

In twenty years, you will see people like Shakespeare being played by a black guy. Because we're not racist and we need to perform mental and spiritual gymnastics to prove it to ourselves.
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>>8324679
>In twenty years, you will see people like Shakespeare being played by a black guy.
This is already being done.

>>8324668
>Either way, it's a play, and plays have been retarded since cinema was invented.
You are retarded.
This is /pol/ material, /lit/ has had enough of these threads.

what is the philosophers of /lit/'s opinion of the armed forces?
or just War and the life of a soldier in general
it made Hemmingway a better writer, right?
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Depends on the war
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>>8325136
Vietnam
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The last romantic war was the Spanish-American War.

Prove me wrong.


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