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I'm looking for books in the same vein as The Prince. I want to dominate the corporate ladder, or at least have a general understanding of how people gain power and keep it.
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That book sounds boring as shit.

What's the best place to read a summary?
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>>8836220
maybe machiavellis other book. I think its called "Discourses on Livy", never read it though
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>>8836273
>>8836220
Oh, and also, "On War" by Carl von Clausewitz

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Should this be required for high school/college students?
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>>8836205
Yes.

/thread
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>>8836205
Another nice little booklet for essay writing is "They say, I say" or something like that. It's about the same size as TEOS
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>>8836205
incoming bait posts calling it shit

Should be required for everyone.

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Guys, I think Robert Fitzgerald translation of Homer's Illiad and Odyssey might the best out there: http://www.bopsecrets.org/gateway/passages/homer.htm
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The Iliad:

Sing, goddess, the anger of Peleus’ son Achilleus
and its devastation, which put pains thousandfold upon the Achaians,
hurled in their multitudes to the house of Hades strong souls
of heroes, but gave their bodies to be the delicate feasting
of dogs, of all birds, and the will of Zeus was accomplished
since that time when first there stood in division of conflict
Atreus’ son the lord of men and brilliant Achilleus. . . .
Translated by Richmond Lattimore


Anger be now your song, immortal one,
Akhilleus’ anger, doomed and...
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>>8836150
>Best

It all depends on what you're looking for. Honestly.
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i am quite partial to Stanley Lombardo's translation.
You ever hear of dactylic hexameter?

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I really liked this book until it became the Tumblr Bible
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>>8836130
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nice blog post, fag
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>>8836130
so you liked it until 2010?

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>spend more time designing a cover for your novel than you do actually writing it
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Sh-shut up sanpai, im writing it in my head!
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>actually writing a book instead of hiring a ghostwriter on fiver
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>>8836136
Dumbass weeb faggottron.

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Just finished reading this for the first time, you guys arent going to like this but this is the first book ive ever voluntarily read, this is my first post, and man do i love this book its like i just finished a really good tv series, anyway to real matter at hand i want to watch the movie version, how do you feel about that?
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>like i just finished a really good tv series

You don't say?
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bad bait
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>>8836101
no i did say that, thats how youre quoting it

>>8836113
no, not bait, but i wonder what that means about this post

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What are some books that are good in audio form? Making long drives to work and need something in between.
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Pride and Prejudice with Rosamund Pike. She does a good job with the humor and characters.
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Poetry, maybe?
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>>8836072
Let this man read you Harry Potter.

>>8836104
All I can hear in her voice is the crazy bitch from Gone Girl. That movie killed my crush on her.

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Name a great book that ISN'T a meme.
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>>8836060
I dislike the meme that distorts what meme actually means.

Greats books stay great because of memes. People hear of them and sometimes read them and then it passes on.

But you of course mean to ask; what books are trolls. I answer; fish around. Read the descriptions and some reviews. I could recommend a good book that doesn't do anything for you personally. This doesn't mean it isn't a good book, and it doesn't even mean you wont end up liking it someday, you should rather find in your own time.
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>>8836060
William Gaddis - The Recognitions
Joseph McElroy - Women & Men
William Gass - The Tunnel
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>>8836083
ALL MEMES

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Why does he trigger SJWs? They won't even admit he was a good writer.
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He wasn't though
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>>8835941
do you think Henry James's prose is good? do you find yourself agreeing with Harold Bloom?

talk to your doctor about bad tastes today
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>>8835937
Where have you seen this?

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Any love for John Fante?

I loved Ask the Dust. It reminded me of a Bukowski if he was a polished writer. That may be a turn off for someone, but I enjoyed it greatly. I'm starting "Wait Until Spring, Bandini" with hope it's as good.
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>>8835926
As bad as Bukowski, Kerouac, Fitzgerald and Hemingway.

Read Portnoy's Complaint instead.
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>>8835926
Fante is such a comfy read, I've worked my way through most of his books. I'd rank them like this:

Brotherhood of the Grape > The Big Hunger > West of Rome > Wait Until Spring, Bandini > The Wine of Youth > Dreams from Bunker Hill > Road to Los Angeles > Ask the Dust > 1933 Was a Bad Year

Currently reading his Selected Letters (the authorial style is as Bandini as expected). After that I think I've got just Full of Life to go.
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>>8835926
I like Ask the Dust. I call it Fante's Inferno.

Over-rated and over-analyzed trash.
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>>8835909
Why is American art so "watered down"? This happens in movies and books. Even the supposed patrician ones are like this.
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>>8835927
this is completely false, try to read more
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>>8835909
What does overanalyzed even mean you pleb

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I'm really interested in Latin poetry, particularly the writings of Roman poets around the time of Augustus' rule and Maecenas' patronage. Virgil's Appendix Vergiliana is one of the few books of his I haven't been able to find a translation for online, and I'm too cheap to buy a translation. I was wondering if anyone knew of a website where I could find a reasonably accurate translation of these poems, think you guys can help me out?
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http://libgen.io/book/index.php?md5=997271693343C2852F0F00552A3742FE
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>>8835899
Thanks, I'll start a torrent for this, but I'm pretty shitty at pirating. At least I'll be able to read it but I'd still like to find an online translation so that I can source it "legally" for future essays.
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>>8835923
you don't torrent it, you click on one of the mirrors. anyways it's in the public domain
https://archive.org/details/workswithenglish02virguoft

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I just read that shit and i feel so cheated. Is there any real meaning of what happened?
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>>8835868
no you got meme'd.
if you didn't like the quaint pomo journey full of references and flat characters,
then murakami isn't for you
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>>8835868
You may ask me two specific questions and I will elucidate. I'm not going to spoonfeed you a dissertation on KotS as a whole without a modicum of effort on your part.
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>>8835882
Jesus Christ get a load of this fucking pseud.
Gonna spoonfeed us his dissertation on Murakami because it's such deep Oedipal postmodernism

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What did you get out of this book? I think I missed much of the point because I'm unfamiliar with Christianity.
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>>8835824
reading faust will help a lot.
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>>8835824
all you have to do is read faust and the gospel of matthew... not much in the way of pre-requisites.
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>>8835830
What do you mean by reading Faust?

Like, is this an author, a story, what the fuck is a Faust?

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I read Meditations, loved it. Want more Stoic.

From my understanding, most of the early Stoic works are gone, but can I get some recommendations on ancient stoic philosophy and/or modern commentary.

Thanks!
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>>8835820
Anything cicero, seneca and epictetus for a start.
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Musonius Rufus is one of the few left. He was a student of Epictetus. You can find a few paperback editions of his fragments.
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>>8835820
Letters From a Stoic by Seneca, that Epictetus book is pretty good, and Ryan Holiday's books do a justice to stoicism in modern times

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Recommend a book based on photos

>Inb4 phoneposter
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man that henry viii sure was a faggot
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>>8835827
That's not a book but I agree

I like books that are 200 pages that I can read in an hour or two. How do I make it possible to read war and peace in one day? Is it advanced or can you read it as your first book?
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>200 pages.
>Reading in an hour or two.

Sure you do.
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Someone we knew raved about a guy called Tolstoy and we remember, or any of a myriad of reasons.

I picked up Chekhov recently since I've been enjoying Russians, for example.
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>>8835788
It's not hard.
>>8835794
How long will you read? Is there a special atmosphere that you like to create and what if there is noise from your neighbors

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Lets write a story, sentence by sentence.

My father and I used to go on walks together.
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>>8835752
Then he destroyed my ass with his massive cock.
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It was quite awkward since I always had a throbbing erection.
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>>8835755
the end

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What's the average wage for fiction writers?
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>>8835658
wage?
$9.50/hr
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a dollar a year depending if you sell your boypussy otherwise zero
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>>8835658
$0.00 starting
$0.00 after 10 years of experience

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Has anyone here ever read anything by Andy Warhol?

I know he's considered by many to be a charlatan whose art wasn't really art, but his books are actually quite readable. He's pretty observant and has some interesting things to say about people and society and such. He also has a really good deadpan sarcasm. I'll give you an example:

> There are so many songs about love. But I was thrilled the other day when somebody mailed me the lyrics to a song that was about how he didn't care about anything, and how he didn't...
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>he's considered by many to be a charlatan whose art wasn't really art
[citation needed]
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>>8835567
go to /his/ and claim you like him
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>>8835574
k I'll see you there.

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Busted out my Nook Simple Touch after probably a year of not using it and realized I'd much rather have a newer ereader with the illuminated screen. What's the best one now? Kindle Paper White? I liked the Nook's ability to read ePubs, but I guess I could convert all my pirated books for a Kindle if I need to.
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>>8835547
I have this same one. Imo its really good looking and really comfy to hold but the screen is doodoo
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KOBO AURA ONE !!!
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>>8835547
Get an e-ink. Get a Kindle Paperwhite, or if you have some extra cash get the Kindle voyage. If you want you can go look at Kobos.

Why does he feel ashamed?
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Also, what is the Western equivalent of this book?
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>>8835523
Because he understood
>>8835550
notes from underground is sorta close
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>>8835523
He's Japanese.

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>book I want isn't on libgen
Well fuck you too it's probably shit anyways
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Sour (g)rapes
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>so many torrent sites are private

whoever they are, are bitch made
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>all the books I want are on libgen
>libgen is blocked by the high court

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How do you quit drinking and continue writing?
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>>8835493
replace drinking with doing 125mg cannacaps instead
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>>8835515
yeah, great authors have never been alcoholics, only stoners
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>>8835493
ask your higher power to give you ideas
seriously

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ITT: Favorite books as a kid

>I loved pic related and everything by him
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nobody loves you
there is no god
nobody loves you
there is no god
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>>8835477
I realize how shitty it is now but hot damn 8yo me loved it.
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i fucking loved maniac mcgee tb.h

did you love it? did you hate it? and why?
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>>8835466
>and why
*what would you rate it? you're the best, you're the best, what should I review next?
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>>8835466
not sure when it came out, but reading it now feels like a grumpy old man picking the low hanging fruit. hes right about a lot, but they werent really ideas that were new to me. btw im super red pilled. like literally completely based. him and his brother howard are almost as good as the hitchens sisters.
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Been trying to read this book for ages.

Still on page 150 or so because I got frustrated with the whole moral panic over sexual mores and the horrors of rock and roll. I mean, really?

But, there is some actual conservative thought and reasoning at parts, like defending the idea of the nuclear family (only time i've actually seen anyone try to coherently explain "family values").

Honestly not well versed in philosophy, so when he starts going off about Western Civilization and truth and shit, I'm utterly lost.

Pretty shitty, but...
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What are your opinions on the "hard problem" of consciousness as outlined by David Chalmers? Does it exist, or is it a bullshit attempt to bring dualism into the 21st century?

Note that what's being discussed here is any and all forms of subjectivity, not human consciousness vs. animal consciousness or anything like that.

Posted this on /sci/ earlier and didn't get any really novel answers, so I'm trying here.
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>>8835465
ugly
opinion dismissed
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>>8835465
it's a probably genuine problem

and if the p-zombies thought experiment works in the way that it needs to in order to show that the hard problem is in fact a problem, epiphenomenalism is true

that is, if it's conceivable that there could exist people just like us but lacking qualitative expereince, these people should still talk about qualitative experience--or they aren't like us. Since we have no reason to think that talking about qualitative experience is the only outward expression...
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>>8835472
Refreshing honesty
It's been too long since I've posted on this board

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I became an avid reader like three months ago and I can't stop. I stopped watching tv and I don't spend much time on 4chan anymore.

Here's how I did it.

-Remember the average person reads like zero books a year. If you read 5 pages a day, you are 5 pages above the average person

-Don't force yourself to read. Commit to read 5 pages a day. I swear after three days you'll feel like reading more and after a month or so you should be reading 50-100 pages a day for pleasure

-Read various books at the same time. When I grab a difficult...
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>>8835433
mods pls sticky this
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>>8835433
>this pasta again
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I became an avid book like three months ago and I can't stop. TV stopped watching me and he doesn't spend much time on 4chan anymore.

Here's how I did it.

-Remember the average book reads like zero people a year. If a book reads 5 people a day, you have 5 oranges

-Don't read yourself to force. Commit to be read 5 pages a year. I swear after three months you'll feel like reading more and after a month or so you should be reading 50-100 pages a decade for pleasure

-Read various times at the same book. When a difficult book grabs...
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Any other good books about eating poop?
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>>8835405
is there poop eating in Gravity's Rainbow?
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>>8835405
yer mum's logbook
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>>8835408
Along with comparisons to black peeners.

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>poem doesn't rhyme
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>>8835242
Blasphemer.
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>>8835262
Sod.
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>>8835242
so?


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