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Is he worth reading?
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heard he is a dick.
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>>8785599
yeh
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>>8785619
Pseud detected

His prose is complete shit and his ideas can be recycled but he has some interesting shit. I would recommend starting with Ubik, despite how cliche that is becoming

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Has anyone got a recent New Yorker rejection? I want to know if the one I got is a form or not.
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u applied to the new yorker? lol i hope u went to an expensive undergrad
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>>8785554
>wanting to publish your work through a liberal echo chamber
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>>8785554
Does anybody else read the New Yorker?

I feel like most of what they publish isn't really very good.

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I'm wondering who here has given getting published a serious try? I hear nothing but negativity.


I'm 18, in college. I've written four books and countless other shit in the four years I've been writing.

I just sent out my first manuscript to thirty agents. My English teacher gave me positive feedback on the fourth draft. I drafted it five more
times. I've only given it to a few friends, but all feedback has been positive. Granted, most of my friends don't read a ton, but they said it was really interesting and i really hope...
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>>8785527
>i really hope they're not lying.

They are or if they're not, they lack objectivity and are only supporting you because of your friendship.

Good luck!
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>>8785539
You're right. I need to give it to some who doesn't know me.

Is there anyway to get objective feedback on my work.

Would anyone here mind taking a look at a sample and telling me what they think of the style? I'll send it over email for obvious reasons.
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if they're not too long/bad I'll take a look at whichever you think is your best

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I've tried to get into his videos but his analysis are so surface level and brief. I wonder if he is actually even reading them.
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>>8785421
still waiting for an update from c fanwise on Cliff's newest vid
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>>8785425
cringe.
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saw his Recognitions video and dropped it at him reading the most popular quote he found on a quick google search. Also that unread copy he uses to fucking flex.

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What's his best book?
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his short story about the man given refuge in the secluded schoolhouse left the biggest impression on me, even though ive forgotten the details of narrative
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the fall
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>>8785251
The Rebel, by far. Considering the political climate, he gives vast amount of information regarding both the metaphysical and the historical side of rebellion

just took 5 huge bong hits. has anyone or is anyone reading this right now? I just finished the first chapter. Pretty good. do they ever get off the bus?
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if the bumper for the novel says something about it being the most ambitious, creative, unique, remarkable, etc. of our generation or time, I tend to stay away from it.
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>>8785113
i think they're on the bus for like 400 pages
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>>8785113
Turn back now, OP. It is literally the most desperate attempt I've yet come across to write an "epic novel." Idiots who are impressed by a large page count will flock to it as another book to say they have read, but it is a very mediocre read. I only got about halfway through before dropping it. And I'm not just saying this because she's a woman: Rebecca West's epic is a million times better than this tryhard trash

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I really enjoyed Neuromancer, and as soon as I finished I went out to buy this, but I'm having some trouble really getting into it.

I just finished the chapter where Count Zero's apartment gets fucking blown up
and I think I read a bit past that.

I think the trouble I'm having is that it keeps jumping from character to character with seemingly no common theme or narrative between them.

Should I keep reading? Or should I pick up some other cyberpunk novel?
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>>8784986
I would stick it out, can't imagine it is terribly long. I've only read Neuromancer myself, so eventually planning on reading this one. Hope it gets better.
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>>8784986
>>8785045
Its kind of shitty, Mona Lisa Overdrive its better desu
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>>8785102
hmmm alright
but knowing that mona lisa overdrive is better, i guess ill get through this so i at leasty know what's happened beforehand

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My mother tongue has 4 million native speakers. I was fucked over as a writer from birth. I know it's hard for you (Americans / French / Germans ...) to make it as a writer as well, but at least the prospect is unlimited for you. I feel like a goldfish in a glass bowl.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHXDMJRcDF0
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>>8784979
You feel very special and unique hence this thread
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>>8784994
Am I not entitled to at least one selfish thread once in a while? All threads on this site go into oblivion in a week. Why does it matter if I complain here or not??
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>>8784979
Catalan has a much richer literary tradition with regards to its size than probably any European language with 40+ million speakers; sure, most Catalan writers won't achieve the readership of popular English, German, or French language writers, but arguably any given Catalan writer has a higher chance of some recognition than any of the others. It's like Faroese literature: barely 66k L1 speakers but an undeniably solid literary tradition. If you were to divide up other languages into regional variants, 90%...
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Would you describe HST as politically apathetic?
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>>8784835
why anon

just why
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No? He was a staunch leftie who admired Marx and Guevara and endorsed George McGovern back in '72.
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>>8784841
His writings seem to not really base themselves on any kind of moral system, so it seems odd that he would be interested in politics as anything more than a pastime.

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In 25 years time, what would you have hoped to accomplish, in terms of literature?
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>>8784734
A series as well respected as Bernard Cornwell's Sharpe series.
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I have a cute sci-fi short story I hope to get published.
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a sentence that makes people die when they read it

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What's the essential Jewish literature?
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>>8784710
The Torah

>inb4 it's a 'le epic /pol/ bait' thread
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>>8784710
mozzart
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>>8784710
the bible
the protocols of the learned elders of zion

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What does /lit/ think of the greatest Italian author of XX century?
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One of his books has had a recent printing in the U.S which I have temptations of owning. It's one of his novels. One of his fiction books is at my college library. I'm not sure if they are the same one.

I've seen four of his movies and they were good. Two of them were alright, one of them was really really good (a masterpeice?) and one of them was a masterpeice

Alright: The Decameron, Salo
Really good (my favorite): THE CANTERBURY TALES
Masterpiece: ARABIAN NIGHTS

I own these on Blu-Ray.
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>>8784669
mediocre at best - celebrated only from leftist politicians
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>>8784669
Good, but in no way the greatest.
Also leftists don't understand him usually.

is anyone reading this right now? just blazed a huge canon and I'm on page 7. let's talk about it. I see where the Greek meme came from now. is it bad I haven't read any Greeks
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Sup OP, Im always rereading parts of this book, it's all still pretty fresh in my mind.

I don't think it's bad that you haven't read any Greeks, it illuminates the text a little more but isn't by any means necessary
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>>8784659
I read it for the first time this week. Just read a summary of the Odyssey and maybe a summary of Hamlet. a lot of references went over my head, but it was still very enjoyable.
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>>8784659
These are the worst threads on /lit/. Not the shitposting, not the Tao Lin or Mira Gonzalez threads, not the women or minority hating threads, not the "I'm a literary genius threads," but these. The threads with a underlying feeling of "I'm so special because I read books" while barely understanding anything about them. The fact that you only got into 7 pages of Ulysses before making a stupid thread about it, and having to tell everyone about it demonstrates this. Yeah you try to cover...
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Hi, I wrote something about how I feel I don't belong on this planet. Please read.
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I seriously hope you didn't seriously hope you'd waste my time on this crap
Write an interesting story or a poem, nobody cares about your pent up teen angst
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>>8784591
yes

>>8784586
have you ever heard of a claim before man? lol start your essay with one, or with an attention-getter. Obviously a pleb gtfo
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>>8784595
It only took me like 30 minutes to write, it's hardly an essay. I'm just getting some thoughts out. And sorrynotsorry for writing naturally and not like a tryhard.

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>tfw rejected for publication again
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me that globe under the table
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>>8784386
NIGGA NO LITTLE NIGGA
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Keep fucking trying

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Why don't we have any literary geniuses anymore?
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>>8784301
why not you?
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sorry i was taking to break
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>>8784301

We do. They aren't writing forms you'd recognize as "literary" anymore, though. Poetry, novels, the short story—these have all been commodified to the extent that individual talent and genius is no longer possible there. Instead you just see glorified market campaigns spread out over 1000 pages penned by cheap two-bit MFA grads with three names, like Garth Risk Hallberg. The really talented writers of this generation are writing in that other genre variously theory, criticism, or continental philosophy.

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How do you describe >tfw no gf
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>>8784285
Whatever by St. Michel
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>>8784285
Sorrows of Young Werther
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>>8784285
I am alone with my thoughts, and my thoughts don't like me.

So if this is complete bullshit, should I still read it? Why or why not? Should I just skip Freud and go to Jung?
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If you have it, read it. I would
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I'm also interested in the answer. Bump.
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>>8784026

you can skip them both

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>Dante
Catholic
>Shakespeare
Catholic
>Joyce
Catholic
>Pynchon
Catholic

What did God mean by this?
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>>8784005
>Pynchon

He's fucking Jewish, you idiot.
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>>8784005
>putting Pynchon in that company

God, I hate this place
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>Thomas Pynchon was born in 1937 in Glen Cove, Long Island, New York, one of three children of Thomas Ruggles Pynchon, Sr. (1907–1995) and Katherine Frances Bennett (1909–1996). His earliest American ancestor, William Pynchon, emigrated to the Massachusetts Bay Colony with the Winthrop Fleet in 1630, then became the founder of Springfield, Massachusetts in 1636, and thereafter a long line of Pynchon descendants found wealth and repute on American soil. Aspects of Pynchon's ancestry and family background have partially inspired his fiction writing,...
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>He only read 10 books the this whole year
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It doesn't seem as if you have been reading at all mate. Can't even form a sentence.
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>>8783925
get on my level

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I'd much rather read and carefully understand 5 books than blow through 50+ books with minimal understanding.

I'd much rather remember the plot, the structure, and the author's style weeks and months after reading than to be a mouthbreather who says, "omg DAE completely forget what happened in the books they read the very next day? xDDD"

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There are three types of female characters: whore (Shamhat), wife/mother (Penelope) and priestess (Antigone). There are mixed female characters (Dulcinea, Molly Bloom).
There's only one type of male character (Christ, Achilles, Raskolnikov).
Discuss.
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>>8783902
Harry Potter and Rob weasley are not the same character
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>>8783902
>Don Quixote and Sancho are the same man
>Christ and Achilles aren't fundamentally different
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>>8784131
Sancho is a beast
How are Christ and Achilles fundamentally different?

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Is there anywhere I can find a paperback edition of Knausgaard that doesn't look like this shit?

Also shitty covers general.

The old one was hideous, but this picture of the author shit is worse to me.
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>>8783796
Learn Norwegian faglord
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>>8784297
Those are still shitty covers, though anything beats authors face on the cover
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>>8784324
this is the norwegian paperback, design by yngve

>Japanese light novels aren't literatu-
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By definition they aren't. Light novel = pulp fiction.
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How hard is it to get published in the LN industry? Seems likes an easy way to get rich (or at least make some money with a fairly small amount of effort)
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Top notch thread OP

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Are there any anti-environmentalist philosophers?
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>>8783477
Dölään Truumppä
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>>8783519
can't find him
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>>8783477
Donnie van Tromp

Thoughts? Praises? Concerns? Criticisms?

Does it deserve its success?
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>>8783346
haven't read it since i was a kid. it's good for kids and teens though. good story but i dont think it should be taught in classes or anything like that
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Book 7 is literally Deus Ex Machina:The Book
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ebfjuk2fHJo

One of the many reasons you shouldn't forget your classics.

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>tfw lost all faith and moral objectivity in the last few months
>tfw you realize Marx was right about organized religion
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>>8783324
What did he say about organized religion?
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>>8783339
Religious suffering is, at one and the same time, the expression of real suffering and a protest against real suffering. Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people.
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>>8783355
He's talking more about social conditions being oppressive than about religious belief

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Was egoism the last spook he couldn't overcome?
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>>8783140
Spook is a derogatory term
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>>8783140
Its logically impossible for egoism to be a spook
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>spooks
>the ego
>the self

Pleb!

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Is Nick Land trying to be a supervillain or something?

What's with his "sacrifice humanity on the altar of acceleration"? What makes him think disembodied intelligence is any good?
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NIG

NIG

NIGGGGGGGGGGEEEEEERRRRRRRRRRREERERERERERERERERERERERERERERR


RAAAAA

RAAAAA
RA
RA

save me
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>>8783061
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>>8783074
Is this like a wapanase Nigeru Farage?

Nigel Farage is kind of like nigger fag now I come to think of it.

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I've never read philosophy before. What's an easy text to introduce myself with? Doesn't matter what school, doesn't even matter if it's good. I'm just looking for something that can teach me how to read philosophy effectively.

Any other advice you may have is appreciated. Thanks
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>>8782726

Do you already have a good idea of the areas of interest in philosophy, what types of questions it tries to answer, and an overal history of its development?
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>>8782726
This is pretty accessible.
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>>8782728
Are you telling me to start with the Greeks? Because I'm planning to in 2017. I just feel like I'll be lost during difficult philosophical texts if I have no real experience.

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Are they even literature? Are they too mixed media? Do you think they rely too much on visual stimulus to convey emotion and plot? yes. For people who scoff at comics, I've had the same emotional impact from reading graphic novels as well as traditional books.

Thoughts?
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>>8782431
> graphic novels

" Someone came up with the term graphic novel. These readers latched on to it; they were simply interested in a way that could validate their continued love of Green Lantern or Spider-Man without appearing in some way emotionally subnormal. This is a significant rump of the superhero-addicted, mainstream-addicted audience. I don't think the superhero stands for anything good. I think it's a rather alarming sign if we've got audiences of adults...
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>>8782438
Long lost brothers?
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>>8782438
I'm not a huge fan of superhero movies as well but The Incredibles is GOAT


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