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https://www.reddit.com/r/books/comments/4teozs/have_you_ever_had_to_stop_reading_a_novel_because/?st=iqtd8ga5&sh=6b8345b0

>they post LoTR and Harry Potter
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>I don't get it therefore it's shit
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Someone also posted 50 Shades of Grey. I REALLY hope they were joking, but knowing Reddit it could be true.
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>>8296818
There are myriad identical posts on /lit/

I don't understand what it is with you kids that you are so fascinated with reddit.

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So im starting Das Kapital today.
Any tips or advices that may enrich this reading?

Im doing this 4 knowledge.
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>>8296807
marx was a hack
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>>8296807
Leftists are mentally ill.

We are anti-Marxism and redpilled. Go to leftypol if you want to talk about this trash
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Adam Smith > Karl Marx

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Do you know any good novel on Greek mythology?
Are also fine Greek prose poems.
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latro in the mist
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>>8296768
Mary Renault. Start with The King Must Die.
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Read mythology by Edith Hamilton of your a noob

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What works of speculative fiction do you like?
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>>8296755
Certainly not fucking Margaret Atwood.
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God she's such a hack
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>rockets and squid headed monsters
get out bitch your work is shit and only thought of as good by people who dont know any better

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What are some good YA romance novels?
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The Sorrows of Young Werther - Goethe
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The Red and the Black
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Middlemarch

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Hey lit,

Looking for books taking place in small spaces, but contain grand ideas and emotions. E.g.
>Moby Dick
>One houndred years of solitude
>The Moon is Down
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The attic one.
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>>8296591

The Life of Pi for sure.
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Sometimes a Great Notion, Ken Kesey
Old Man and the Sea, Hemmingway

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why do writers seem to peak early on? wouldn't you just continue to improve or does skill plateau after a point
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youth, ego
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Selection bias.
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Yes because life just keeps getting better and better.

It's like a video game.

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Does anyone else here agree with me that The Divine Comedy is overrated?
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>>8296462
No.
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Is not overrated. Stop this shit.
Works from the past are regarded as great not because they are in and of itself beautiful or masterfully written, but rather that they helped literature progress and inspired other great authors.
Don Quixote is now not as impressive as it was the moment it appeared but is still good literature
Divine Comedy was huge at its time but nowadays is just beautiful
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>>8296473
>Divine Comedy was huge at its time

Of course.

>but nowadays is just beautiful

Maybe not so much.

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I was thinking about giving J.G. Ballard a go, since my father has all his works laying around.
Which book of his do you guys recommend?
What is your opinion on him?
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Here's the order I read them in so far and I think it worked pretty well:

Crash
High-Rise
The Drowned World
The Atrocity Exhibition
Concrete Island
The Burning World

I feel like I left one out but it's not coming to me right now
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>>8296448
Literally

BASED JIMMY

the author. He's one of those authors with entirely their own voice and style, and it makes you feel rank and doomed and filthy, but in a sexy way. Don't miss his autobiographical stuff - he grew up (for at least a couple of years) in a Japanese POW camp.

He said that it was there he learned that life is basically a stage set, and all the pieces can be arranged at whim. That's something that stuck with me.
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>>8296448
His short stories are gold.

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I'm looking for books about Venetia. It can be 7th century, 1797, modern days, anything goes.
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Death in Venice by Thomas Mann (it sucks, but atleast it's really short)
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>>8296446
Anything by Donna Leon
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Shakespeare
Marlowe
Schiller

Venice was the center of world oligarchical power from the sack of Constantinople to 1797, so it is the setting for many early modern historical plays.

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Do you hear the musica universalis ?
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How geometrical is the color of your music ?
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>>8296414
yes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWINpXNd5KE
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The butterfly effect is the concept that small causes can have large effects

>>>/s4s/4613036

>when literature -- culture, really: music, art, film and anime -- just keeps getting better the more you engage with it

>when each experience rubs some form of wisdom on you and you have a larger accumulation of context with which to engage every following experience

anyone else get these feels?
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>>8296398
i have a notebook where i shit out some stupid ideas every now and then and i wrote down that exact same concept or whatever like a month ago, it's a great feeling
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>>8297229
(it's the bottom paragraphs for both pages)
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>>8297229
Nice diary. Would read

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Hello /lit/. I'm a 18yo that failed out of high school, I'll be retaking my exams next year. I always found writing to be a daunting task, but how do I improve and get good at it? Are there any textbooks?
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Your writing is shit because you don't read.
If you want to write read classics.
Otherwise it'll be shit.
Start with the Greeks.
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>>8296534
This is good advice. And Aristotle even has a bunch of guides on writing and that.
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>>8296534
>>8296541
What about stuff like writing descriptive, narrative compositions and commenting on writers style etc?

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How seriously do academic historians take Nietzsche's Genealogy of Morals?
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>>8296313
It's not really writen as a true history. It's a story that helps you understand worldviews and the sentiments and conditions which create them.
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>>8296313
is that wonder woman
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>>8296331
It's meant to be a history of the conditions that created Christian morality, as well as the conditions that created the morality it replaced.

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As someone who's already read Bartleby, Typee, Benito, Billy, Moby, Mardi and I've got The Confidence-Man queued up, I'm wondering: are all of Melville's works (at least, the ones I haven't read yet) worth the time? I read Typee as a youth because my english teacher told me I'd enjoy it saying, "you'll like where it will take you." I've heard Omoo is basically a rehash of the first, and that Redburn and White-Jacket—while being more mature works—aren't on the same level as even Mardi or his novellas.

How did you...
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>>8296282
I got into him with Moby Dick, and stopped after that, though Moby Dick was amazing. Is some of his other work on the same level?
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>>8296282
I kept going. So far, I've read Moby-Dick, Pierre, Clarel, The Confidence-Man, and Bartleby. His prose is god-tier and his stories like Pierre and The Confidence-Man have an experimental and modernist feel to them. Moby-Dick is still his best, even though Pierre comes close—funny, tragic, weird as fuck.

Don't force yourself through his oeuvre, but at least give it a chance. The Confidence-Man is great; Melville is in complete control and really fucks with you.
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I've read Moby Dick and Bartleby. I thought Bartleby was really good, but not "amazing." Moby Dick is by far my favorite book.

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Who is the final boss of literature?
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>thatsnothowtheforceworks.gif
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Seus
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David Foster Wallace

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tl;dr I cannot write my essay (semniotic analysis of song lyrics) and I am losing mental stability over it. HELP. PLEASE.

I'm doing a semniotic analysis of Empire Ants - Gorillaz. Specifically the lyrical content. This is a plea for someone to shed some light on how to approach this.

I can interpret what the lyrical content is saying but I am actually at my wits-fucking-end on how to analyse this and make it into a sensible, cohesively structured essay that discusses metaphorical meanings and deconstructs signifers and the signified.

WHAT THE ACTUAL...
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>>8296254
semniotic? did you mean semiotic? you did spell it as semniotic twice so I assume it can't be a mistake...
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Wow... I've said and written 'semniotic' since first being put onto this assignment... gross misunderstanding on my part... I never even once noticed google correcting me. You've already shaken the foundations of this for me. Thank you anon.
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>>8296337
You ignorant pleb, thou shall study, semniotic bastard. Have you ever read a book in your entire life, fucker?

Where to start with Dostoyevsky?
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>>8296106
the notes from brothers karenina
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the greeks
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>>8296106
Crime and Punishment
The Idiot
Brothers Karamazov

Shorter stories

Demons and The Possessed if you want more

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i have become deeply cynical, disturbed and jaded. everything nice seems naive, irrational or deluded.

im not claiming to be the ultimate rational thinker, but within my thoughts i cannot find where i am wrong. but the thought of going to a state of knowingly-irrational complacency is even more depressing than my current state. at least being sad identifies that things are bad.

"a critique of pure reason" has an attractive title to me for this reason but i am no philosopher and havent ever read philosophy

is this the wrong book to read for insight...
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i didn't read any of this but you are gay
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Wew, lad.
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The book definitely has nothing to do with what you think it does.

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How could Epictetusian stoicism and Nietzschean aestheticism be philosophically rectified
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How about you start thinking about it.
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>>8295954
by defining "Rectification" as the process elaborated in/undertaken by their works.
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ism cannot be rectified. they can only influence better new ways, that will eventually get fixed in new isms.

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I really wanna learn French so I don't have to rely on translations for a lot of things I read. Have ny of you tried Rosetta Stone? Does it work?
What have you tried?
(sorry i'm drunk posting)
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Duolingo. Currently at 40% and I feel like it works. I'm slowly starting to get pretty good at French.

Just do a couple of levels every day.

Once I finish the Duolingo course i'll go onto something more technical i.e. textbooks.
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>>8295976
Seconding this. There's nothing like immersion, and so once you have finished learning the basics of grammar and vocab, try reading one of your favorite (simple) books in French. Then try some French films.
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>>8295952
l'école... j'y suis allé

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I once read a book for english class in high school called 'Jasper Jones'

Despit being boring and badly written, the author awkwardly shoehorned in references to books like Moby Dick and To Kill a Mockingbird so that the reader knew how smart he was

And that isn't even mentioning the obvious main character self insert
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>>8295932
Are you by any chance Australian
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>>8295965
Fuck yeah mate
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>>8295932
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Well /lit/, I want to start reading Evola, what's the best order to read his books in?
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You're making one of the best choices in your entire life, OP. Prepare to reach transcendence and realise the state that the world is in.

Revolt Against The Modern World > Men Among The Ruins > Ride The Tiger, is the order in which to read the primary body of his work - each book captures his thought and philosophies well.
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>>8295920
Revolt Against the Modern world is really fucking expensive. If it's his most important work, why is it not printed as much as other books?
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>>8295920
Where would The Doctrine of Awakening fall? The premise seems fascinating

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>ywn live a full life like Rimbaud
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>>8295814
>ywn love a fair twink like Rimbaud
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>>8295814
Rimbaud was a qt
Is he worth reading?
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For some reason I thought he died at 27 and was like yeah he had a full life but he died at 37 and it's a pretty average life

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What do you think about /lit/ being in an anime website?

Is it good?

Is it bad?
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I like to discuss the merits of both as far as storytelling goes. Too bad about faggot mods though
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>>8295830
But what do you think of it?
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I don't think about it.
I watch anime occasionally and read manga just a little less than I read books.
Nothing wrong with it.

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Book of the New Sun and Black Company are decent, Name of the Wind is fucking cringe, but holy shit this book is such a better read than any of them. Such strong characterization. Is it worth sticking with?
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I closed it like 3 chapters in. I thought it was going for "intentionally bad and trope filled" like a b movie and that's just not my bag man
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Abercrombie has decent characters but does fuck all with them.

You're literally better off reading GRRM
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>>8295990

I find character-driven fantasy a nice change of pace from tedious world building.

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Reading Schopenhauer's "Art of Controversy" and realized it's basically "Advanced Shitposting Strategies"

>Stratagem XIV

>This, which is an impudent trick, is played as follows: When your opponent has answered several of your questions without the answers turning out favourable to the conclusion at which you are aiming, advance the desired conclusion, — although it does not in the least follow, — as though it had been proved, and proclaim it in a tone of triumph. If your opponent...
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>>8295781
>reading anything but his 'On Women' essay

pseud
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I'm surprised this isn't on the /lit/ starter pack
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>>8295829
God could you imagine?
Everyone here would have an advanced degree in shitposting, it's be intolerable.
But then again maybe we'd develop whole new levels of shitposting. Take shitposting to heights we can't even dream about. A brave new shitposting world.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L%C3%A9on_Bloy

"Bloy is quoted in the epigraph at the beginning of Graham Greene's novel The End of the Affair and in the essay "The Mirror of Enigmas" by the Argentine writer Jorge Luis Borges, who acknowledged his debt to him by naming him in the foreword to his short story collection "Artifices" as one of seven authors who were in "the heterogeneous list of the writers I am continually re-reading". In his novel The Harp and the Shadow, Alejo Carpentier excoriates Bloy as a raving, Columbus-defending...
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>>8295719
omg is that fucking Nietzsche???!!
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im aussie i only first heard of him on /lit/
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He's probably one of the most interesting late 19th century writers and he's basically unknown outside of France, it's a shame really.

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alright, /lit/, let's do this

who was the better poet: wordsworth or coleridge?
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>>8295660
wordsworth
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>>8295660
ww
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I've never read any Wordsworth that I can recall but Coleridge is pretty metal.

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can you rec me some good christian literature?
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uh, The Bible?
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The -tons, Mil and Chester
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>>8295514
do you mean literature with Christian themes? Or literal Christian lit


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