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Can we have a thread for conservative or reactionary literature of all kinds?

There's a fascism thread up already, so why not.

Pic related, Russell Kirk, changed my life.
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>>8781778
Change it again.
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>>8781783
I don't understand.
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>>8781778
>you will never have a porcelain princess gf

>He was written one masterpiece, I would say, is of contemporary American fiction, of fiction written by human beings still alive and among us, I would list Philip Roth's Sabbath's Theater and American Pastoral, I would list Don DeLillo's Underworld, I would certainly list Thomas Pynchon's The Crying of Lot 49 and Gravity's Rainbow, and his recent and magnificent Mason & Dixon

>But if I had to vote for one novel by a living American it would be Blood Meridian.
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>>8781686
Can we all just admit that Bloom is a hack with bad taste? He literally just likes what he imagines a good critic is supposed to like + Jew stuff. Corncob McCorncob writes terrible, empty dribble.
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this book wasnt good
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>>8781686
I like it. Sorry /lit/.

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Has anyone on /lit/ actually read this book, or is it ranked on the 2016 top 100 chart because of all the soods on this board?
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It's not for reading, it's for diving in and out. Even Schmidt said it wasn't for reading cover-to-cover. It's like a weird museum where you look at a bunch of clever/unusual/thought-provoking stuff for a while and go home.
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The chart anon insisted on taking all the votes at face value, despite everyone asking to have that and Jerusalem left off.
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>>8781154
I'm currently 1/3 through Jerusalem and then it's next on my list.

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What books should I read to become whole?
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Do not read.

Contemplate.
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Aristophanes
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The Phenomenology of Spirit

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The Forum
“Quiet please, everybody, Julius is ready to make his speech, and if you would kind Julius be quick boy, there are a lot of important matters which must be discussed today.” Julius took center stage, but first gave a bow to his friend Quintus, a senior holding not more power than himself, but respect, which was the real currency of the senate. “Thank you dear Quintus, we are mere dogs squabbling over the consul’s scraps without you.” Quintus returned the bow to Julius, and took a seat next to his friends Gaius and Septimius. Gaius was a stern optimate...
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Requesting some more critique on this scene, which is a part of my autistic novel I posted some of above as well. Basically the main city is under siege and losing the war, and the cities around it are falling one by one. So the main character decides they should launch an attack on the enemy's capital since they are doomed anyway. I am curious; does this move too fast? Should I add more interludes? This story is very long, this is only a tiny fraction of it, and I am trying to cover as much material as I can in as few words as possible....
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>>8779064
Stilted and robotic. Just awkward af.
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>>8779064
>>8779150

after reading both of these i really don't think we have any right to laugh at reddit anymore

>>8779150

i've never seen so many cliches concentrated into so little prose

you both need to stop writing a pulpy novelization of a movie you have in your head, and try and write a story instead

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how has your worldview changed over time?
what's the evolution of your favorite philosophers/writers/etc?
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libcuck -> libertarian -> Nietzsche -> republican -> 1488
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>>8778879

same desu senpai
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apolitical/liberal -> edgy special snowflake fascist (third way pseudo-anticapitalism) -> marxist

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How do I get into Aquinas? Any study guides (not only for him, but for any classical philosophers as well).
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I'm a girl btw
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>>8777906
Any contribution to my question?
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>>8777906
haha

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Do you guys read any literary magazines?
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Are there any literary journals that don't publish a lot of pretentious bullshit? I agree with this article, I just want more like Dubliners, Moby Dick, and Wuthering Heights. Anybody sympathize?

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2001/07/a-readers-manifesto/302270/
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>>8775995
The Paris Review
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>>8776895
Thank you. Any reasoning?

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>he knows only one language
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This pic probably makes this sound
>Bababadalgharaghtakamminarronnkonnbronntonnerronntuonnthunntrovarrhounawnskawntoohoohoordenenthurnuk
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>>8775463
What is the criteria for "know"? Because every European I've met has very loose criteria for claiming to "know" a language
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>>8775463
I'm a native English speaker, so why should I know more than one?

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What books will help me transcend caring about politics? I'm tired of resentment, defensiveness, and looking down on people
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>>8774824
Getting away from things that oversaturate political topics like social media will help more than literature will. There's so much white noise, non-news now that keeping up with it so regularly is exhausting and toxic.

Sounds like you just need some distance - whether or not you agree with it, you can get degenerative groupthink pounded into you by sheer exposure. The opinion vaccuums we create in our social media profiles doesn't help.

Just read something nihilistic, even if you don't...
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Might want to start with Epicureanism / classical hedonism, then move toward stoicism. Epicureanism posited that a good life was the result of keeping one's needs in accordance with nature - i.e. having a deep appreciate for the simple pleasures in life, or at least those that were most readily available. Anything that causes painful stimuli should be avoided where possible. (in your case, you should probably avoid politics and politically opinionated people, since that's just causing you misery)

Stoicism is a bit more on the cynical side. The stoics believed...
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>>8774845
>Getting away from things that oversaturate political topics like social media will help more than literature will
I'm sure this is true, but I don't have friends, just books and the Internet.

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Write what's in your mind
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I exist in a balance between wishing I was never born and wishing I will never die.
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>>877432
nothing is in my mind, wbu?
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Never, ever trust a person of the female sex. They are unable to keep it in their pants.

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>she opened the cupboard
>she grabbed the pistol
>she turned around
>she raised the gun

Fuck me comrade how do I stop this shit? I see the action in my head but when I write it down it feels so lifeless. I've hit a roadblock and I need help. Somebody save me.
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Read more books
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Sometimes a declarative sentence is all that's required. It's not heartless, it's just straightforward. 'She turned around' is infinitely better and easier to read than 'she spun abruptly on her heels to face behind her'.
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>>8774112
I agree and prefer when author's hurry up and tell me what's happening and don't try to drown me in words. But how do I stop the
>she
>she
>she
>she
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Crossposting this from a thread I saw on /tv/, but it seemed super pertinent to /lit/ in terms of subject matter. Norm is on some straight Schopenhauer shit for the first 20 minutes of this interview, it's literally like he's reading aphorisms out of 'The Trouble with Being Born.' It might be a bit, considering it's Norm, but I don't think so. What you guys think?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDji8i1jrWY
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>>8750715
I was in the other thread as well. He's perhaps the most literate comedian I've heard, he seems like somewhat of an absurdist, but that might be me lumping in the nature of his profession as part of his philosophy.

Most mainstream comedians seem to be very cynical or nihilistic in their confessional stylings, and I believe people unfairly correlate Norm's worldviews with them. People describe Norm as dry when I say he's wet.
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>>8750715

>I don't have sex with girls or men

lmao
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listening to this from that thread too, fucking lmao

to keep it /lit/ related, how is his book?

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>finish my book
>reread it
>have literally no idea of what the fuck is going on

Goddammit /lit/ how the fuck do I write a coherent story that actually makes sense?
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>>8786478
i plan everything out. that gets much harder when you have 3 characters and a non linear story.
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Pretend it was deliberate and claim the critics just don't get it
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>>8786478
Pay attention to the flow of narrative as you're writing. The problem you're having right now is hard to correct in editing, as it's probably more of a pacing thing, rather than detail.

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Are there any novels as perfect as the Harry Potter books?

Can literature get more comfy than this?

The magical world as represented in these novels is just so cozy. I don't think children's books, or any books really, can surpass Harry Potter. What child wouldn't want to discover that they are magic and be invited to attend a school in the Scottish wilderness with hundreds of other witches and wizards and going on all sorts of fun adventures with them?

How can these books get better?

Philip Pullman's alternative steampunk world...
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>>8786360
You posten it again epin
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Sure, i think we can all agree that it's a great setting for a children book series. No one shits on Rowling for the magical world she built.
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I'd prefer to live in a fantasy world where you didn't make this stupid post

Do non native english speaker have any chance to compete with English writers through their writing
my native language isn't a /lit/ language i have some ideas but i can't express them clearly can my english still improve through reading i'm really fond of writing
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>Frank Kafka
I am so triggered!
Literally shaking!
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>>8786335
Hire a translator, then.
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>>8786335
Thanks to Kafka from now on I will masturbate mercilessly.

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Anyone else have reader's block? I've not felt the desire to read a book since I finished one at the start of November. I hope it passes.
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What book was it? Do you have anything in your backlog that you particularly want to read?
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>>8786305
I've got quite a few books I can start, I just don't feel like picking up a book to read. I did do quite a bit of reading throughout the year though, from the start of February I'd been reading a full novel every week up to this November. I think I might just be burnt out.

I have a longhaul flight on the 16th, so I might bring along a book to start then.
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The last book l read was Heart of Darkness in mid-October.

After that l've tried reading The Myth of Syssiphus twice and gave up after thirty pages. I feel stupid.

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If a robot speaks intelligently and suffers, and insists it is alive, can you prove it is not life? Compared to say, a human, which does similarly, and yet is made up of gooey internals? Any books on this?
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>>8786301
anything that has to insist it is alive isn't.
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>>8786301
Whether it's alive or not is moot. If it suffers, it should be treated ethically.
Unless, of course, it's a cunt and I gain from it's suffering.
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>>8786301
Yes it is life. Anyone who says hurr durr but it aint got no soul!! but it aint flesh n blood!! hurr durr we caint play God mayne!! is wrong

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I don't spend time with anyone though
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>>8786105
Then you're a nobody.
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>>8786105
>>8786113
Damn...
Really fires those neurons up huh...
Only one enemy remained... Two, if you count brain...
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>>8786105
Then you're an amalgam of all the posts you read on 4chan.

Just read TV People by Murakami. Anyone on /lit/ have an idea what it the story was supposed to mean? All explanations about it online make no sense to me.
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>>8786017
Op here. Just to expand, my own understanding was that the praise the narrator got from his colleagues and higher up was probably due to them knowing about his wife's departure. That his wife was either leaving or having an affair. That he himself didn't pay attention to her or didn't enjoy her company (weekends were when they were together and he got headaches every sunday). However, I can not pinpoint an explanation for the actual tv people or the airplane broadcast.
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>>8786032
never read it.
but most murakami is about office drones/slaves getting righteously cucked.
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>>8786345
One of us doesn't belong on this board, and I hope it's you, neanderthal.

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Hello /lit/.

Can you please recommend some really good books on loneliness, regret and alienation? I can't exactly explain what kind of state I am in right now except that the feeling of loneliness and isolation and alienation has become more and more pronounced over the past few years and of late has left me as an emotional wreck. Some days are really bad when I can't keep myself together and end up crying because of how much it has begun to affect me. The combination of loneliness, guilt and regret at fucking things up with the one girl who used to care about...
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Journey to the end of night
The man without qualities
Maldoror
Diary of an oxygen thief
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I'm sorry you feel isolated, OP.

I haven't finished it yet myself, but Infinite Jest?

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which literary character do you identify with the most?

lord jim
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Cenk Ugyur
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The Arab that Mirrorsalt shot.
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Hal's Incandenza's retard brother.

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what is your favorite work of critical theory? What schools of thought hold yr personal interest? I love information bomb by paul virilio and minima moralia by theodor adorno the most
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I am a Slut by Savannah Brown
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Is the Dialectic of Enlightenment any good, anon? The college library was having a clearance sales last week and I copped a paperback copy of the book.
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>>8785793
not OP but DoE is legit good and worth your time to read. minima moralia also, and paul virilio wrote is indeed awesome

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help /lit/, give me a quick horror story prompt. i got nothing and i need to write a short story in four days. pic unrelated
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A vast canopy of trees stretches out before you, swaying softly. What lies below?

You have lived your whole life with the nagging feeling you've forgotten something terribly important.

You awake to find you cannot move.

One man's foreskin hides a terrible secret.

The feeling of the vastness of space above you.

Beneath your feet, under a thin layer of rock, a churning molten sea thousands of miles deep.

The secret world beneath the couch cushions.

I have no idea how to make a prompt but I hope these helped.
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>Guy walking around the streets
>Some dude comes up to him and tells him something
>He tries to engage him, but the dude flees
>Guy starts losing his shit over what the dude told him, with only vague hints to what it actually was
>He finds encounters the dude again by chance
>He ends up killing him
>What...
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A neet wakes up to the sound of his mum saying if he doesn't get a job by sundown he's going to be kicked out.

I want to tackle this book. How do I get through the nonlinear clusterfuck that the first section apparently is? Is there any good guides out there?
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>>8785709
you literally just fucking read it, I don't know why so many people struggle with that concept.
given the facts that 1.Benjy is in fact retarded, and 2. The narrative is fractured and nonlinear, it goes without saying that it isn't a puzzle to be reassembled by the reader. you can vaguely tell what age Benjy is in the narrative jumps by whether or not they pick him up, who's watching over him, the tendencies of his siblings, and other events, but it isn't necessary to rearrange the events because...
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if you stop trying to dissect and rearrange and fully understand the first part you lose whats good about it. Part two is much more difficult than part 1 desu
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Both Benjy's and Quentin's sections are going to be rather difficult to read and understand fully the first time around, but you'll get it. It isn't too bad. Just read sparknotes or something along with it if you insist.

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I'm a 21 year old college student and I have no idea what I'm doing with my life.

I study economics but love literature. I hate my major, but I'm a year and a half away from graduating and have been in school for 4 years (lost credits from transfering). I've done internships and have worked on research with professors but I hate my major. It's dry, dull, harsh, and leaves little room for creative thought because "neo-kanesian economics is the only true and righteous path" etc etc. Not that Austrian economics is any better, just that...
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I work at pizza hut and my only hobby is reading and film, life could be worse
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Got my economics degree, read lots, tried to fix Greece's debts, failed. Wrote a book about it.
>shamelessly plugs And the Weak Suffer What they Must
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>>8785601
How's that going for you?

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Some argue that money is the root of evil, that becoming ultra rich leads to corruption of one;s self and others. Do you agree or disagree? This can be viewed in the Great Gatsby as Jay Gatsby believed that money at a young age can achieve his biggest dream gaining the heart of Daisy ,but that dream died like him.
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but most argue that The Great Gatsby is garbage.
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some argue that money is the root of all evil, but have you ever asked what is the root of money? Money is a tool of exchange, which can’t exist unless there are goods produced and men able to produce them. Money is the material shape of the principle that men who wish to deal with one another must deal by trade and give value for value. Money is not the tool of the moochers, who claim your product by tears, or of the looters, who take it from you by force. Money is made possible only by the men who produce. Is this what you consider evil?
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>>8785549
Most people on /lit/ do. In my experience, Gatsby is pretty well loved by most people. From what I can tell, a lot of people on /lit/ got a watered-down high school reading of TGG, which is unfortunate cause it is a really interesting novel.

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Why did /r9k/ invade /lit/?
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>He doesn't think the 2 are related on some levels
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>>8785481
>ugly virgen detected

Fuck off back to your containment board

>>>/r9k/
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/lit/ is a /r9k/ spinn off you fucking newfag

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Anyone else read/reading "The Sellout" by Paul Beatty? It's been hyped a bunch because it's the first book by a US author to win the Booker Prize (arguably not that monumental of an achievement, seeing as until recently the prize was only awarded to writers from Commonwealth countries.) I'm about a third of the way through and it's solid in terms of style and humor if not anything special as far as the larger canon of literary fiction goes.

Feel free to racist shitpost, if I wanted shallow and bitchmade meditations on context and the intersectionality...
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>>8785213
>tfw when to intelligent to read african american authors
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>>8785213
i'm sellout-curious i guess, if i see an audiobook torrent i'll cop it, but when i actually have time to sit and read off a dead tree i gotta go with something more canonical
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>>8785241
Fair enough friendo. If you want to get a temporary email address and post it in the thread I'll link you the .epub at least (could probably find an audiobook as well if it exists), but I get that there's only so many books to read as well.

>>8785218
I've always found it funny that the only people who refer to black people as "african-americans" are either trying to hide their power level among the easily-(racially)-agitated or are socially...
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Could he have been more wrong? "I am more and more certain that a great deal of what now passes for literary study of the so-called politically correct variety will wash aside. It is a ripple. I give it five years. I have seen many fashions come and go since I first took up literary study. After forty years one begins to be able to distinguish an ephemeral surface ripple from a deeper current or an authentic change." (1991)
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>>8785177
>politics and aesthetics aren't inextricably linked

Nice meme
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He was only wrong about the time frame. The backlash is mainstream now, whether anons like it or not.
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>>8785192
You think so?


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