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Which books of the bible should I read?
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Preferably all of them, but if not:

Read the Torah: Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Number, Deuteronomy.

Read the beautiful stuff: Ecclesiastes, Job, Song of Solomon

Read Isaiah, the only prophetic work required to fully understand the weight of the NT

Read all of the Gospels. Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John.

Read Acts.

Primary Epistles: Romans, Corinthians, Ephesians, Timothy, Hebrews, 1/2/3 John

And of course read Revelation.
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>>8281625
All of these and also Daniel
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>>8281625
lol don't read Leviticus or Numbers or Deuteronomy unless you really want to. It isn't necessary unless for study.

Also not mentioned, Proverbs and Isaiah

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>tfw can't even make myself eat healthily anymore due to existential crisis reasons ("Who cares, looking good is a spook" or "Procrastinating this won't mater, having low willpower won't matter" etc)
>tfw struggling to have any beliefs at all (whether to work hard or be lazy)
>as shown by my 4chan presence I just do whatever is lowbrow enough to manipulate me (internet, fast food)

wat do???
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Read something by Grant Morrison.

Read something by Camus.

Think about death. Realize it's inevitable. Realize it comes for everyone.
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>>8281600
>I don't have any real problems so I will just invent some
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>>8281600
that's just depression m8, not some sort of existential crisis.

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Is this one of Pynchon's worst? I've read Lot 49, Inherent Vice, and some of Bleeding Edge. I'm really not getting Bleeding Edge so far. I want to try V. and GR eventually, but if it's like this, I think I'll pass.
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>i-is it ok if I stop reading this /l-lit/?
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>>8281520
it's still Pynchon so it's still a good read, but pales in comparison with his best work. Can't blame the old man. Finish the book, son
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>>8281520
He wrote it in his 70s while the two you're talking about were written 40-50 years prior. What do you think?

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I always had a passion for it but never realised it and now I want to do it and also to replace my habit of playing computer games with it.So my question is how should I begin If I want to get the best out of a book(to understand it fully).Should I just google all the terminology or there is a book that have them all explained deeply and the same with analysis(is there a good site for it or I should google it and just read all the results.)Also feel free to share any tips or things that you think might be helpful.Oh and in case youre wonder I obviously read a lot of books already...
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>>8281511
Look at lit's list of recommended literature and go for the one you recognize for hearing about them before.
If you tell me what sort of things you like we could advise you better.
Read literature of your own language first obviously.
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>>8281533
>If you tell me what sort of things you like we could advise you better.
I don't have any preferences yet but I'm usually irritated by love noves
and am also really interested in surrealism(i know its a broad term) but am not sure if i'm literate enough to really read such literature.
>first
Really?I'm really interested in my country's literature but I thought they were probably influenced by west writers so I thought I...
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>Being a complete beginner but having a passion about literature
you've spooked yourself, you don't know what passion is, the closest you've come to experiencing it has been the mind-numbing æther of vidya which you've let yourself luxuriate in for the entire nascence of your degenerate life

read the blind owl and then off yourself so you can start over and try again

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So, other than Paradife Loft, Lycidas, Il penseroso, l'allegro and a handful of his essays, are Milton's other works worth reading? I mean, I know they're worth reading; but are they worth investing the time to look up sources, explanations, critical insights, etc? I've read a few of his sonnets and they seem more like exercises in the form than meaningful contributions to his work as a whole.
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>I've read a few of his sonnets and they seem more like exercises in the form

if you read when i think how my life is spent and you think it's just an "exercise" idk what to tell ya

read samson agonistes
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>>8281417
Milton is probably the most encyclopedic author of all English tradition, the more you read the more what you've already read gets reinforced or expanded.
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>>8281417
Milton and Shakespeare are GOAT,

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What did Jack Kerouac mean by this?
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"im a degenerate faggot with no talent"
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>>8281495
Many "made up stories" are literature though
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Jesus, he can't write for shit.

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Lit, how do I be a bad writer?

Unlike you guys, I don't want to write well. I want to write awfully. But I keep writing stuff and it ends up coming out good, or interesting. It's maddening and there's no real help on this front.

I thought maybe you'd know better than anyone else.

Thanks,
Jeremy
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>>8281293
Sample of my work
>Ahhhh the turd said as it slid out of an anus and was flushed away to the sewers, feeling bliss. For you see to the turd this was the end of a long and arduous life-cycle that begun as part of a cow. Now he was going to dissolve into water, be purified, and one with the Earth. Briefly, before his consciousness left him, he felt a sense of gratitude for all the humans who made this possible. The Tao was real.

See this isn't actually that bad. People want...
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>>8281293
That's half like asking how do i become bad at the science of physics, and half like asking how do i become bad at carpentry... you can't accomplish the former without intentionally causing harm to your brain, probably. The answer to the latter is obvious but you probably think it's too obvious so you dismiss it. You become bad at carpentry by not doing the things you are supposed to do to be good at carpentry in the way you are supposed to do them. Which is a little interesting because it means that...
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>>8281527
(im obviously only assuming you "would be good at physics and carpentry". Whether or not you actually are is besides the point.)

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What books should I read while visiting London?
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Peter Ackroyd's biography of London is excellent.

Apart from that, the quintessential London author is Dickens.
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>>8281615
Wow, I downloaded this image to my HDD. Do I have permission to post it on my FaceBook? I think it's gonna be a real hoot!

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>Richard K. Morgan's books are generally set in a post-extropianist dystopian world. Morgan described his "takeaway" of one of his books as

>Society is, always has been and always will be a structure for the exploitation and oppression of the majority through systems of political force dictated by an élite, enforced by thugs, uniformed or not, and upheld by a wilful ignorance and stupidity on the part of the very majority whom the system oppresses.

God damn, why are sci fi authors such...
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>Taskeshi Kovacs

As a Hungarian this sounds so fucking cringe, I would never touch these books.
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>reading pulp scifi trash

plebe
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>>8281233
He's from a planet colonized by a Japanese elite with slav working class.

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Islam is part of our daily lives wether we want or not. I for one would like to learn more about it, since I know so little. Thus my question is, are there any books you could recommend that deal with Islam? Fact or fiction, both would be good, although I'd rather read some fact first. And please don't tell me to just read wikipedia, I've done that but I find it to be very boring and would rather read an actual book.
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>>8281213
>Islam is part of our daily lives wether we want or not
It doesn't have to be.
Here's a good resource on it, though.

http://thereligionofpeace.com/
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>>8281213
Start with the hindis
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>>8281213
A History of Islamic Societies: Ira Lapidus
The Great Arab Conquests: Hugh Kennedy
A Season of Migration to the North: Saleh

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Can we talk about this a little? I haven't really been exposed to other's thoughts about it before.
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Others' ***
Whoopsies.
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>>8281173
this isnt reddit
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>>8281176
But really is it not the thought of The Other we expose ourselves to? And is it not natural to make it the proper noun, for it represents to us the only thing without ourselves, the Pozzo to our Estragon. What I am trying to say here is that when we cry out for multiple interpretation is it not the case that we wish the universe to agree with us, rather than us to agree with the universe and so on.

Can we talk about this instant classic? What are your favorite parts?

TJIA general.
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Couldn't you find a different image for the cover? At least attempt to make it look genuine.
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>>8281165
Fuck you, you piece of shit. There isn't to be any negativity in my threads.
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I never heard of this book, looks silly

Is there any self-help book that can compete with this one?
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>>8281085

Marcus Aurelius: Meditations
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>>8281107

>Less then 200 reviews on amazon

Nice try
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can we finally get rid of this self help meme?

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Laurie Penny.
Laurie Penny.
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Laurie Penny.
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>bickering and snide remarks
So it's like Twitter?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oj9dA6E3fJw

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I just read these novels.
Any other good space Oprah novels? I'm new to the genre.
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>>8281044
Look into Taming Riki.
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What is the genre definition of space opera anyway
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>>8281044
haven't they only released 1 or 2 of these books in english?

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Hey /lit/

what's the best way to write impressions about something I read? I'm not going for a professional review or anything, just something I can share with others. I honestly don't know about what to mention in that kind of thing... like maybe a check list kind of thing?

I'm asking because when asked about what I think about something I've read I usually don't really know how to answer besides the very basic "I liked it" and whatnot, and I kind of want to record my thoughts of a work to revisit it in the future since...
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List every aspect that you could possibly talk about.
Now, go though the list and ask your self for each point
"Is this really necessary?" if not use the 'fuck it' technique and cross it off.
Do this until you know what you HAVE to write about for the review.

t. hitler
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Would appreciate some more input
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>>8281723
On the map?

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hey /lit/ I'm writing something and I'm trying to remember where I read something about the need to study the roots of a concept before studying its consequences.

For instance, if you would like to speak about Nationalism, you need to know what a Nation is.

Its something similar to "Ab ovo usque ad mala" or something like that.
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>>8281006

Etymology?
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>>8281006
What you're looking for is called "naive reductionism"
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>>8281026
perhaps that was a bad example.

If you want to speak about thermodynamics you need some basis in mathematics and physics.

How do you conceive this idea? Something like "from the egg, the chicken".

>>8281013
somewhat, thanks.

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what are the real downsides with not starting with the greeks ?
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>>8281003

Not knowing the greeks.
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>>8281003
Since so many have flown down from the Greeks you miss many bits of reference/context.

and this>>8281034
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>>8281003
you won't be able to meme as hard

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Is it pronounced "Pinch in" or "Pinch awn"
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pee in your own
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pinecone
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>>8280980
peen-cya-on

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What are /lit/'s favourite tales from the Metamorphoses and why? I really like Pyramus and Thisbe because its just a good love story and it's interesting to see the parallels with Romeo and Juliet
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Phaethon is my second favorite:

"And Phaethon sees the earth on fire; he cannot
Endure this heat, the blast of some great furnace.
Under his feet he feels the chariot glowing
White-hot; he cannot bear the sparks, the ashes,
The soot, the smoke, the blindness. He is going
Somewhere, that much he knows, but where he is
He does not know. They have their way, the horses."

Orpheus and Eurydice is my favorite:

"They climbed the upward path, through absolute silence,
Up the steep murk, clouded in pitchy darkness,
They were...
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>>8280966
Which translation is this? Recommend a translation for the first time reader, please.

>>8280937
Which edition is this? I saw a similar cover for the Iliad yesterday on this board and I think they are Empyrean-tier.
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>>8280976

That translation is by Rolfe Humphries. It's the only one I've read so far, but I enjoyed it quite a lot.

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Over the course of about a year I've gathered a huge collection of high brow literary works for absurdly cheap or non-existent (hehe) prices. I have read exactly zero 0 of a bookshelf nearing triple digits. I constantly shitpost in /lit/ threads assuming an aura of confidence and knowledge towards the works, and making sure my opinions become standard in the /lit/ zeitgeist - however I have only gathered what little I know from memes and Wikipedia summaries.

Whilst you /untereaders/ """expand""" your knowledge, I have gained...
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>>8280780
I truthfully unironically do this as well
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Irony aside, I also semi-do this as well. I brought many religious books, a lot of philosophy and all of the Greeks, the Chinese and Romans. I'm considered quite intellectual because I am SEEN reading a lot, and I do read, but all of it is YA and SFF. For the plebian mind, all reading is intellectual regardless and merely being seen with a book makes you seem elite.
No regrets
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Your "charisma and quick wit" wouldn't fool anyone actually versed in what you're discussing. You're the fastest guy in the special Olympics thanks to steroids. Face it, you're nothing but a pretender, and even if your retarded friends never realize how intellectually shallow you are, you'll always know, thinking about it before your head hits the pillow every night.

That or you'll bullshit your way through life and become a millionaire playboy who fucks supermodels or something. Probably the first thing though. Seriously though,...
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/mu/fag here, I thought the albums were pretty good, except godspeed, what is the literature featured on here like?
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Just get Existentialism from Dostoevsky to Sartre.
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It's some cool shit if you're 16 and hate your life and have never read a book before.

Or if you're living in 1940's Paris and have just seen some shit and are now reading this kind of thing for the first time.
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>>8280768
You won't understand Thus Spake Zarathustra (I have no idea why people keep pretending like it's straightforward - maybe they don't read and are bullshitting?). The rest are pretty standard and straightforward existentialist (C&P is arguable 2bh but it's at least a proto existentialist work and often gets thrown around in existentialism 101 type classes).

Substitute Nietzsche for something like Either/Or by Kierkegaard and you'd be better off. Or even (if you have a lot of patience)...
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>about to pick up pic related
>read blurb
>"...novel follows the intertwined destinies of two families—the Trasks and the Hamiltons—whose generations helplessly reenact the fall of Adam and Eve and the poisonous rivalry of Cain and Abel."

Someone please explain the appeal of deliberately re-telling a story that's already been told.
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To give a unique perspective.
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Marketing meme blurbs very rarely reflect the actual book.
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>>8280767
On this principle, OP, youd have no more stories. Theres only seven plot lines for any fiction. We just retell them with different names and slight tweaks.

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Hello, all. I really would love to read more and it's a great shame of mine that I don't. I seem to have a problem with picking up books and read very, very infrequently. I find that with a film or documentary one can sit down and watch with ease, but for a book one needs to carefully select the book that's right for that person. A book is obviously different from any other media. If one buys a book, one needs to read it through to be able to say they've read it. And the fact that it's a physical thing that will just be lying on the bookshelf unread...
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>>8280757
get an e-reader

read short stories

get an attention spam

idk
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>>8280783
I know you it's a typo, but "attention spam" could be quite clever in the right context.
also short stories are a good thought.
>>8280757
I really enjoy jogging now, but at first I really hated it. I had to set up an alarm to ring every evening that told me when it's time to go out and run. I had to stop what i was doing even it is was more fun than running, and go put my hour of jogging in. at first it felt really rigid and annoying, but...
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>>8280757
If you enjoy a book, do read on.

Apparently, you're also interested in "serious literature" but can't seem to get the same satisfaction from it. Try and read more accessible "serious literature" and move your way up. Reading a book when you're not ready or not yet in the mood for is a bad idea.

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>muh garbage
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>muh phonies
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>muh Ántonia
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>muh muh

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What author/philosopher makes the besy argument for the concept of "true love".

I've fallen in love and want to believe.

Pic unrelated
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I would say Pessoa.
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>>8280714
Dante.
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>>8280714

Let's instead turn the question inwards on you, anon, and then let's try to bring it back round to the board's topic - literature. Image choices with such scant info are rarely accidental. It is reasonable to assume that you are in a gay relationship. And what's more, you profess /love/ (as opposed to mere rutting). The very idea of a gay man admitting to /falling in love/ is quite rare, quite something.

You sound like a schoolgirl, which doesn't necessarily make for bad lit, but...
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Looking for good/must read books that are around 100-200 pages in length, that I can read in a couple of days.

Noteable short books i've read the last couple weeks: Machiavelli The prince, Nausea Sartre, The PLague Camus(didn't fancy too much), Communist manifesto, Notes from the underground, Hunger Hamsund.
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The Death of Ivan Illych
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The Turn of the Screw
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>>8280700
>>8280697

Thanks for the suggestions, I will look for them at the library. I'm pretty sure I will find the Tolstoy book at least.

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What are the best books for fully understanding the human condition and the depth of humans and the essence of being a human being?

I'm not trying to be pretentious or a pseud but i'm genuinely wondering after reading rainer maria rilkes novel and poetry. He seems to have a depth especially in his prose which is so beyond me at times or normal human sight that I wish to be closer to it.
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It isn't so much about understanding (rather it expedited my own interest) the human condition scientifically, but I really enjoy Stephen Crane; The Open Boat struck a chord with me few short stories have as far as man v man v nature and all that is concerned.
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What is this "human condition" meme?
Can't literally everything we feel, think and experience be told to be part of the human condition? I don't see how it means anything.
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Anything by William Golding

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What are /lit/'s opinions on Terry Pratchett?

I read a lot of Discworld as a young man and I remember thoroughly enjoying them, particularly pic related.
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They are genuinely funny.
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read the first two and two others years ago and was indifferent to them
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>>8280678
t. reddit

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Man, I'm sick of seeing everyone saying "DUNE NEEDS A MINISERIES" or "HBO SHOULD ADAPT DUNE". I've been reading Dune books for two thirds of my life and the series is just not that fucking good. Nothing in the original books would really translate outside of a novel written in the 1960s. What draws people to these awful fucking books
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An unparalleled achievement of imagination
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Dune is good but perhaps a little heavy on the worldbuilding. It's not "awful" by any stretch.
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The onely dune I care about.


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