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Are all the characters in this supposed to be unsympathetic and vapid?
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yes, because they're closer to real people than most of the characters created in the last 30 years.

Sympathetic, likable characters are reddit tier
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>>8273767
They're just no fun to be around apart from Bunny tho
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>>8273767
muh muh postmodern ethics

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Lit, I've never had sex and I'm 22. What's a good novel for me before I kill myself? I'm gay btw.
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Death in Venice.
Don't kill yourself.
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Phenomenology of Spirit, don't kill yourself until you figure it out.
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Don't do it! Think of all the great books you haven't read

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Is /lit/ the cheapest hobbie?
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>>8273668
Lots of hobbies are free if you have the Internet.
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>>8273668
If you have a kindle and the patience to handle an infinite amount of dead links, yes.
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>>8273668
Depends like a lot of hobbies.

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Do you read novelas to pad your stats?

Lit peen is important.
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I've read a lot from that list, but not to impress people. I think that people are more impressed if you've read longer books.
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>>8273617
He's talking more in terms of the quantity of things you'd read.
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>>8273604
I read them because I just enjoy novellas.

Can we all agree that post modernism is one of the best things to ever happen to art, if not the best thing? What better revolution than realizing that art is whatever you find enjoyable, it doesn't have to be done by some sort of standard. If you find something interesting, it's by default a good piece of art.

I think this is wonderful, because not only does it get art to be fun and exciting again (as opposed to stuffy) but it opens up your mind to outside the box thinking. It gets you to think about the subjective nature of our representation of the world....
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>>8273587
I'm not quite sure you 'read' postmodernism correctly. Then again I'm not confident that I and the rest of /lit/ know and understand postmodernism.
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>>8273595

Postmodernism isn't about any of those things.

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This book is amazing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vb1_ALSLuLQ
http://www.pdfarchive.info/pdf/H/He/Herbert_Frank_-_Dune.pdf
https://www.amazon.com/Dune-Frank-Herbert/dp/0441172717/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1468410775&sr=8-1&keywords=dune

Go buy it and read it yourself.
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Literally finished this half an hour ago. It is pretty good, yeah.
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>>8273602
Awesome. Thanks for the reply. I'm on the 4th page and it's so goood..
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Stop shilling, we don't read dumb sci fi shloc here.

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The entire arts and humanities academia-media-publishing culture is posturing bullshit.

All claims of artistic worth are unfalsifiable. All philosophical claims are unfalsifiable. The Munchhausen trilemma shows that we can never know anything except for our inability to know anything. We can accept shared axioms but obviously anyone can pick different axioms (e.g., "Murder is good").

The Stirner meme is a version of what I have said above but it's only done because pretentious people only bother entertaining ideas that have been mentioned by published...
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>post-modernists browse /lit/
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so?
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>>8273527

Look, there he goes again. Packaging things up and throwing them in to discrete areas like his professor told him to. Yeah, that shows understanding.

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He's not wrong, you know.
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Watchmen was disowned by Alan.
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>The series was created by a British collaboration consisting of writer Alan Moore, artist Dave Gibbons, and colorist John Higgins. Watchmen originated from a story proposal Moore submitted to DC featuring superhero characters that the company had acquired from Charlton Comics.
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>>8273504

>the writing sucks

Nah fuck off, the writing is fine, not exactly fucking Nabokov but it's a comic book not a novel. Different mediums have different styles.

>>8273507

No it wasn't, he just realised it didn't make a difference and that capeshit continued unabated.

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>read books because of great writing and ideas
>told that good books can only be about the "human condition"
>if your book isn't about serious people thinking serious thoughts and having serious emotions then it isn't worthwhile

When will the human condition fags fuck off? Ironically, caring about people requires the least strenuous use of empathy.
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Being a robot frogposter is part of the human condition, write about that.
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People say something you disagree with so you dwell on it to the point that you can no longer enjoy the things they disagree with you on?

It sounds like you were beat the fuck out.
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>>8273491
>worthwhile
Values, values everywhere
Read what you want, OP.

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The fuck did I just read?
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Moby Dick?
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Sparknotes is your company.
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Twenty chapters about the sea.

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Will any of his books still be read in 200 years?
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HA! No.
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>>8273474
probably.
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They wont ecen be read in 20 years
Quality post op

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What's your opinion on Murakami?
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He has certainly written books.
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>>8273460
That's a fact, not an opinion.
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>>8273459

I read Kafka on the Shore and enjoyed the dreaminess to it. Then I read he stated that the book was like a riddle, with a different answer to every individual, requiring many rereads to solve, and thought he was an insufferable hack.

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Good day /lit/

I am looking for books to improve myself, so I am looking for non fiction books.

So far I've made a small list, can you suggest any additions to this list?

History or autobiographys are also wanted.

I hope you can help me, thanks :)


The sex god method
Sexual intelligence
48 laws of power
Dress like a man, a style guide for men
Dave ramsay, The total money makeover
Adulting, how to become a grown up
Verbal judo
How to talk to anyone, 92 tricks
What everybody is saying
Think and grow rich napoleon...
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This board is really slow.

Ill just patiently wait :)
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A lot of those are memey

just read Ancient Histories and Biographies

Herodotus - The Histories
Thucydides - The Peloponnesian War
Xenophon - Hellenica; Anabasis
Polybius - The Histories
Caesar - The Gallic War; The Civil War
Tacitus - The Histories; Annals; Agricola; Germanica
Suetionius - Lives of the Caesars
Plutarch - Lives of Eminent Romans and Greeks
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I know this is a memepost but if someone here is actually looking for some sort of self improvement book; stop. The only way you can get out of your slum is to become passionate about something. You've got to find that part yourself because no one else knows what it will be. Fuck it could be just walking around finding bottle caps or some shit just find something

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>mfw I've been reading almost non-stop for weeks now, while also writing and actually studying my notes

I finally made it

I developed habit
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I encourage you to make posts like this on your blog and not here
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>>8273387
this
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>>8273387
Not OP, but what if this is one of those parody memes

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Today while sitting in the library I asked a Chinese girl across from me how long it took her to read one of the manga books she was reading. I was sitting there reading a PKD novel I had already read while waiting for my Dad to finish browsing, and this girl had been reading them one after the other, going back and forth between her chair and the manga section, and I had only been there for twenty-odd minutes. She was too absorbed in her Chinese comic book to even notice my question. I walked away, feeling a little flabbergasted. Being immersed in a book I understand, but why...
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It's probably a reaction to the 16 hours of studying they're forced to do every day.
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>>8273316
The same exact thing happened to me not long ago.
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Maybe she just didn't want to talk to you.

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she sent me a message yesterday at 1 am to ask if I was home, I ignored it because I was busy but I'm still thinking about it.

This is also after nearly a year of no contact
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We met while I was spending a month in Australia. Messaged each other for a few days after I returned to the UK and then it just suddenly stopped. She's always on my mind.
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>>8273313
I spent 5 days with her, the 5 best and truest days of my life. When I returned home we kept messaging eachother until she lost interest in me. A year and a half and 2 other girls has passed and Im still thinking daily about her.

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Why does profound literature have zero effect on people compared to augmented reality?

Is this something to dismiss as for plebs? Or as something completely separate from literature ("It's not even art!", "It's not the same medium!")

Or are things just as icy calm said they would be, technology working as an integral part of art (as it always has, not that the pseuds could realise this), and creating new forms of art that capture the imaginations of people better than old art forms (2D vidya, 3D vidya, cinema, books) ever could?
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>>8273302
I wish I was there.

I'm so lonely.
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I can't play video games anymore. I think it's because I'm an adult now.
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Because the zeitgeist of entertainment changes?

Ill start.

>Gone Girl.
Shitty ending.

>Atlas Shrugged.
Self explanatory.
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Notes from Underground because that shit hit way too close to home
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dave eggers' a heartbreaking work of staggering genius. jesus christ what an unbearable read
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This one by Banksy.

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Obscure books
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No such thing
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>>8273099
You really don't need any more words than these when talking about gender and sexuality.
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the comforts of madness - paul sayer

Who agrees with Nagasawa? I certainly do... at least in principle.
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That's fair enough, but it does mean you're missing out on interesting new things.
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>>8273019

This is the dumbest shit I've ever heard. Considering it was ultimately written by Murakami, I should have been expecting that.

How do you define a 'baptism of time'? How would a 'baptism of time' change the fundamental concepts and values of a book? Why does an author need to be dead first? Should we not support authors when they are alive to hear feedback and reap the benefits of their work?

This is like when people start to wank over an artist after they die, it's...
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I agree with him.

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What does lit think about Alain de Botton?
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>>8272888
I find his school of life stuff entertaining but in the end he's nothing more than a meme, a second class pop philosopher.
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He's a meme cult leader
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For the segment of the population he's trying to reach - people who are open to thought but not willing or able to invest serious study, or who haven't previously been exposed to thought - it's better than nothing.

I saw his documentaries when I was like 12 on pbs and it was the first thing that made me think philosophy was interesting and it made me want to learn more. I'm probably not alone - in that sense he's doing his job well.

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Is Diogenes just a meme? As someone with little philosophical background how can I into his ideas as well as the ideas he was refuting ?
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There's not enough surviving material to really "get into" Cynicism, but if your curious enough of their ideas filter down into Stoicism, so I'd recommend reading that - Stoics like Epictetus quote Diogenes a lot and use some of his sayings/general life to illustrate points they want to make.

General idea is that human relations are inauthentic, and that we should instead live according to nature. Stoics expanded on the last part to be less "eschewing social customs" and more "understand how the world works and bear no illusions about...
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>>8272883

There is no way that plato cup story is real. That's too fucking gold.
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>>8272883
He was autistic

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What's his best? What's his worst?
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How many fart jokes have been made at his expense?
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>>8272863
I assume all of it is shit because he is fat and ugly and thus must be a man of weak character and spirit.

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What does /lit/ think of this man?

Is he good? Is he le-meme'd yet?

The savior of contemporary adult fiction? Or just alright?
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>>8272850
He was always just an attention-whoring memer. The publishing industry artificially created the hype behind him.
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>>8272850
alright with glimps of brilliance
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>>8272850
can you at least first use the archive next time?

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Iliad
>Mopey Achilles
>A million names
>That book/chapter that's just a list of more names and places
>Which Ajax is which?
> No Trojan Horse

Odyssey
>Nuanced protagonist
>Mythical creatures and mystery
>Underworld Scene
>Intricate plot spanning time and place
>Hero's...
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Because you didn't understand it.
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>>8272830
>tfw I still imagine Odysseus as my high school english teacher
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>>8272830
Because the Iliad appeals more the contemporary notion of the shunned, ostracized (anti-)hero. And you probably don't have a family so you have no idea what the yearning for home would feel like after a long absence.

For me personally, Iliad was far more appealing because of the topic of death and the human condition. It also yielded more insight in a society so distant from our own, not merely because of the shame society which is so different from our own guilt society. But also because of the inherent...
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Has anyone here read this?
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>>8272815
yes
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>>8272815
no
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>>8272815
maybe

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recommendations for philosophy books on the topic of happiness and the purpose of life?

im depressed af
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>>8272800
The New Testament
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Aristotle and Epictetus helped me with that, my man.
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>>8272800
Siddhartha helped me.
Heidegger helped me.
I read a different translation of the Tao Te Ching every so often.
I read certain books in the Bible.

Anyone read it? Is it the magnum opus of English literature?
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>caring about length o er substance

Fucking plebs.
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>>8272725
Sounds fake
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>>8272768
It's real.

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Is it possible to make a living freelance writing?

If so, how can you start if you have no experience (not counting novels/screenplays you might've written)?

And what are the options? Content mills? Erotic fiction? Anything else?
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>>8272700
Not really, no. It was a decade or three ago, but these days you're not going to get paid shit for writing under normal circumstances unless you already have years of experience.
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>>8272772
>unless you already have years of experience.

not even this.
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>>8272700
Depends on where you live. In some eastern european countries with a low cost of living, you could pull it off. Back when I was writing for content mills, I could get $5 or $6/hour if I put some effort in, and that is more than enough to get you through in, say, Slovakia or Hungary.

Defend it.
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It lets non-white people seek public approval for texts that traditionally would be ignored by their peers, normalizing poetry production and diffusion.
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No


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