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"The fucking fascists who call the shots haven't stopped needing races to hate each other, it's how they keep wages down, and rents high, and all the power over on the East Side, and everyrthing ugly and brain-dead just the way they like it."
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>>8255912
I suppose that they're trying to get at rich people benefit from racism because it keeps the ignorant from looking at them and the marginalized stuck fighting millennia-old struggles when they could otherwise be ascending to better lives and threatening their dosh?
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>>8255927
That's it?
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>>8255929
Makes sense to me; I mean, the only people who benefit from low social mobility are those who are already wealthy and powerful.

I feel like today's Zeitgeist is truly one of ideological warfare; the rich and influential goad the poor and disempowered to take up tained ideals, then set them upon one another to keep them down.

Truly the only solution is to purge the political class, totally.

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ITT: Books you love that everyone else you know hates.
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>>8255897
This. I never got why it's so hated. It's pretty much the best book ever in my opinion. It's so fuggin' comfy and poignant.
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>>8255913
you're retarded
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In fairness, it's not that everyone I know hates it, it's just that I have never met anyone that has read it, but I love it to pieces. I don't think it'd go down too well on /lit/ though.

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Holy shit the first Kim Clark chapter is so fucking bad and it's like 30 pages. Up until this point every chapter was very good... This chapter is unbelievably shitty.
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Oh shit waddup
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>>8255950
WHO'S BANE AND WHY DOES HE WEAR A MASK?
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I thought a few lit people had read this?

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In 1982, when I first read Marguerite Yourcenar's "The Memoirs of Hadrian," I asked Arnaldo Momigliano, the great scholar of the ancient world, what he thought of the novel. Italian to the highest power, he put all five fingers of his right hand to his mouth, kissed them, and announced, "Pure masterpiece." Now, nearly 30 years later, I have reread the work and find it even better than before. A book that improves on rereading, that seems even grander the older one gets—surely, this is yet another sign of a masterpiece.
(…)
Part of the mastery...
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>>8255884

>Imagine Machiavelli's "The Prince" written not by an Italian theorist but by a true prince. Imagine, further, that he also let you in on his desires, his fears, his aesthetic, his sensuality, his feelings about death—in a manner at once haute and intimate, and in a prose any emperor would be pleased to possess.

Looks very good
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>>8255884

This book is great; it has a marmoreal prose style.

I really don’t know why it is not talked about more often here on /lit//
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>>8256180
Female author that is not physically attractive or deeply enmeshed in scandal. See also, Elaine Pagels, Svetlana Alexievich, Alice Munro, Joyce Carol Oates, Toni Morrison

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That literary figure who stole your heart

Who is it and why did you fall for them?
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Biddy.

I have a thing for intelligent, sisterly-type girls.
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every dickens' novel got a female character that makes me feel some type of way
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the merchant from merchant in venice

whats the "dadrock" of literature?
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/mu/ posters should be banned
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/sffg/
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>>8255862

I think it's actually a decent question.

>>8255859

I'd probably say Southern Gothic or maybe Pomo, that'd match the time period.

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ITT: Books women can't understand
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>>8255836
all the classics
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>homers D&D campaign
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What's the best book about plotting?
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The three-act structure of screenplays is good to know, even if you're not writing a movie. Most events can be understood as a three-act structure, like a fractal.
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Will anyone take a second to recommend something?

I'll bump with recommendations for other, related writing topics.
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King's remains very good.

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Has anyone actually read this? I'm about 200 pages in. It is unlike anything I've ever read and I've read pretty much every meme post modern book book out there.
Not sure if I like it or not but I think that's the point. The writing is God level regardless.
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I've only read Omensetter's Luck by Gass. Is it along the same lines (stream of consciousness, character based psychological dramedy)?
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>>8255832
It's actually a lot different, more so than I expected.

It's hard to explain how it's written. The main character is basically just writing down his thoughts and memories about everything in his life. It's kind of like being in the mind of the "protagonist" so I guess in theory it is stream of consciousness but not completely bat shit like the furber parts of omensetter
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>>8255825
Yes, it's one of my favorites. And you're right--you're not really supposed to like it; instead, you're supposed to see some of yourself in it.

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Post your'e favorite poem.
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>>8255791
tu puta madre
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>>8255791
End, Middle, Beginning
There was an unwanted child.
Aborted by three modern methods
she hung on to the womb,
hooked onto I
building her house into it
and it was to no avail,
to black her out.

At her birth
she did not cry,
spanked indeed,
but did not yell-
instead snow fell out of her mouth.

As she grew, year by year,
her hair turned like a rose in a vase,
and bled down her face.
Rocks were placed on her to keep
the growing silent,
and though...
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Achilles' wrath, to Greece the direful spring
Of woes unnumber'd, heavenly goddess, sing!
That wrath which hurl'd to Pluto's gloomy reign
The souls of mighty chiefs untimely slain;

Whose limbs unburied on the naked shore,
Devouring dogs and hungry vultures tore.41
Since great Achilles and Atrides strove,
Such was the sovereign doom, and such the will of Jove!42
Declare, O Muse! in what ill-fated hour43
Sprung the fierce strife, from what offended power
Latona's son a dire contagion spread,44
And heap'd the camp...
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>>8255770
Why would you want to?
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>>8255770
try annotating/commenting on the content to see what roles it plays in other parts of the book

try starting with Bible. Grab a copy with footnotes to see what to do
lds copes are swag for this desu they have tens of thousands of footnotes. some will be for weird mormon books but a lot are for just the bible
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>>8255771
a richer experience

>>8255770
If you are a beginner, follow the advice of Schopenhauer

1) Read
2) Reflect on what you're reading
3) Re-Read

Read criticism/analyses by educated folk also, but think your own thoughts first.

Try reading certain passages (or the whole book) out loud. Focus in on parts of interest. Read other sources to understand the context of the work.

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>Original beta cuck white-knight
>writes admittedly charming genre fic
>gets famous and still hangs out with a porn star he can't fuck

>Jean-Paul Sartre
>writes shitty philosophy books
>doesn't have half the fame as pic related
>slayed pussy like Saint George slayed dragons
What does this mean?
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Delete your retarded thread and fuck off
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>>8255757
How does it feel to be a faggot?
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>>8255755
What the fuck, sartre was hella famous

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What does /lit/ think of Summer's best reads? Will you be "powering down" to read and enjoy a book (or your money back) this summer?
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>>8255739
Delillo sticks out like a sore thumb
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>>8255758
Right? it's like

>shit
>shit
>shit
>Delillo
>shit
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>>8255805
I like DeLillo, but Zero K really isn't that good.

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What books are really comfy and mention coffee a lot? I kind of have a "thing" for books like that. On the Road readily comes to mind. What else?
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fix your roof, it's raining in
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I had a smile because I thought you were talking about the Chekhov story.

You weren't, were you?
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This is a coffee table book with legs so it can become a table, I assume thats what you meant

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Hello friends. I'm learning French. What should I read in order to help me learn?
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start with contemporary litterature (aka Houellebecq, Aragon, Nouveau roman, etc..) and thenwhen yu think you have a good command of the language, you can begin reading 19th century litterature and so on
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Shove a black dick up your ass
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>>8255690
>French
>lit

le pick one

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Post your work and critique others
please be specific with your hatred
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>>8255685
wrote this at 3 am. hit me with all you've got
(1/2)

i swallow and
swallow and
there is no air
in my mouth

no air
at all

i am a cave that is
flooding with
water
and my own sister
is the flood;
she pushes my
head down
until i am face to
face with the
ceramic bottom
of the bathtub
and squeezes my
hair tight in her
fist and i
vomit a little
in the back
of my throat

my vision begins to
colour with faded yellow
and speckled...
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>>8255767
(2/2)

i could
beg for death;
i could get on my
knees and
lay down in the empty
bathtub and ask her to fill it up
i could ask her to
hold my head down and
never let me up
i could tell her to
call me every
dirty word she can
think of while she slowly
dyes the white water red and
i would tell her to
never let go
even when i close my eyes
and stop struggling

i could
ask her to hold
me underwater by the
throat and scream into my
ears until i...
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>>8255767
>>8255769
There is no reason for your line breaks. You might as well have kept the whole thing as a paragraph.

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Hello /lit/, I come desperately seeking your help. I have been scouring book stores near and far from me for over a month now looking for a book I read in 2005/2006, I believe it was new at that time, and cannot remember the title of. Before I go into the description, I would like to offer a $20 paypal reward for the title of the book OR I will buy two copies of it and send you one so you can see for yourself why I have been searching! So, attached to this post is a crude paint image, you're probably wondering what it is. This is what the world depicted in the book was...
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sorry bro i don't know, but try r eddit. shit site obviously but they have an autistic boner for detective missions like this
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>>8255689
Ty I will repost there. Still monitoring this post for any others who may know
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>>8255689
where should I post on reddit? I've never used the site before

Hi lit, I wanted to share some of my writing.
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>>8255649
gr8 b8 m8

r8 8/8
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it's bad
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>>8255649
Purple prose

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what lesser known/discussed works by V Nabokov would you guys recommend? i recently read Mary (Mashenka) and King, Queen, Knave, both in trans. i preferred the former. the latter seemed to be a glorious hit and miss, a spectacular failure. it has actually turned me off to reading the rest of his Russian novels. well, for a brief while. i've already read Lolita, Pnin, and Pale Fire.
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>>8255593
can you comment on Pnin?
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>>8255613
i can't comment on Pnin with any authority or even insight since it has been nearly a decade since i read it. i was planning to go back to it after a few more of his older works, or maybe latter ones. thinking Speak, Memory and Ada or Ardor next. that is, unless another one catches my fancy.
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>>8255593
Laughter in the Dark was ok. Sort of like a less self-involved Lolita.

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What are some books that go into themes of being a NEET or social anxiety or just dropping out of society in general. I havent read many books in my life, maybe 5 or 6 so its ok if its entry level. Just read welcome to the NHK and it was pretty realistic and really enjoyed it.
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>it was so realistic!
put up a mirror in your room!
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>>8255540
No Longer Human by Osamu Dazai
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>>8255545
I believe i said "pretty realistic" and i only meant the in the portrail of social anxiety and depression

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Is he the worst author of our lifetime?
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no honestly he's fine. I read looking for Alaska and it was funny and entertaining.
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>>8255424
it's fine young adult fiction or whatever you want to call it but he uses the same formula for each book and they keep turning them into movies and it's garbage
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>>8255427
k

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>go to a book store
>Moby-Dick and Gulliver's Travels are under the children's lit label
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>>8255385
haha aint that a good thing? some lil bub gunna grab some hungry catapillar and get some melville down his throat
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To be fair, most kids read Moby Dick in elementary school.
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>>8255385
>this nigger didn't read moby dick in kindergarten

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I have a question for all fellow pastafags lurking out here.

Generally speaking, what italian book publishers are the best?
Which ones should I avoid at all costs?
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>>8255377
Mario balotelli and andrea pirlo imo
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>>8255377
while pastafags still here is there any nice and easy letteratura italiana thats still pretty good (please no childrens books).

i've read some alberto moravia's, aldo palazzeschi, and some boccaccio but only ever with parallel text.
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Are you speaking as an Italian?

Anyway, you can't go wrong with Adelphi: expensive as fuck (even if lately they've been releasing part of their catalog in a economic format), but they've published a few amazing gems you don't want to miss out on - namely, Giorgio Manganelli's complete ouvre, Curzio Malaparte's novels, Michaelstaedter's Persuasione e Rettorica and plenty of other masterpieces I'm still discovering myself.

If you're interested in Philosophy, look into Mimesis Edizioni; same as above, expensive but pretty...
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Is pic related worth reading?

Is it aimed at one who has read the canon, or does it aim to persuade the reader to join Bloom in his love for Shakespeare?

Should one read the authors he discusses before the book?
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The authors he talks about are excellent.
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Lit has this bizarre desire to read every single book from cover to cover, where many books are merely utilitarian in their purpose. This is one of those books. You pick it up, read the parts that interest you, skip the rest. Come back later to read the parts that didn't interest you because you are at a different stage of your life in regards to literature. It is a good book to get you excited to read a certain author, or to see some interesting commentary on an author. That's about it really.
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>>8257168
bingo

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Hello, /lit/. I was watching American Crime Story tv show today and I really liked it. What are some good books about actual true crime?
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P-please
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In Cold Blood
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>>8255247
Helter Skelter, The Stranger Beside Me by Ann Rule. Green River Running Red by the same author is pretty good. Midnight in the Garden of Good and Evil. The Onion Field. Also this >>8255318

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What is the goto psychological horror in literature?
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Crime and Punishment
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Wittgenstein's Mistress
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IHNMAIMS still makes me uncomfortable, especially after playing the game.

Are any of the author's other works worth a read?

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Does reading, and more specifically reading philosophy turn you into an autist?
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No, but it can cause anomie.

If you have a tremendous amount of knowledge in your head, but no power to put it to use, you'll be depressed.

Kind of destroys the age-old saying that knowledge is power.
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>>8255226
can you explain more in depth?

Because it seems as if most philosophy cant be put to use. So by what you're saying, any philosopher is bound to get depressed eventually. Unless putting to use can mean writing papers or books etc...
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>>8255234
>any philosopher is bound to get depressed eventually.

Yes.

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I'm gonna have some free time this weekend and I was thinking about reading some book after some time I haven't read nothing.

I was thinking about for what kind of book I'm in mood right now and figured out that I'd read something that'd be like bizarro Kerouac. Not fantasy though. Maybe something like a mash up of Kerouac and McCarthy. A story about traveler that wanders around america stumbling on weird places, fucked up people getting himself into bad situations...

Does a book like that exists or am I gonna have to write it myself?
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Kerouac isn't even that good, and I think you made this thread before so I doubt you'll read it, but what you want is A Confederate General from Big Sur by Brautigan.
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>>8255150
Yeah I made this thread yesterday, I got some Suttree recommended but I was looking for more. Theres never too much of books to have on your list.
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>>8255220
If you don't read any, one is too much.

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>I am so simple of mind that I find reading a imaginary tale titillating
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This is just lazy.
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hehe you said titillating hehehehehehe
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>>8255162

http://culture.vg/features/art-theory/on-the-genealogy-of-art-games.html

This is the best essay on art I have read. If you've ever wondered why pomo faggotry has such a good reputation then you must read it.
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I won't read your shitty essay.
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Agamben's Man without Content is probably much better at explaining the current state of art than this.

"Such was the blanket dominance of pseudo-intellectual hipsterism and bullshit manufacturing in the twentieth century"

I'm definitely not wasting my time.
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Your'e supposed to spell "fagot" with only one "g", OP.


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