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Ça vous dit un fil francophone? Le fil chez int est toujours nul et Je crois qu'on pourrait avoir une belle discussion littéraire ou académique.

Qu'est-ce que vous lisez en ce moment? Moi, image en rapport.
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>>8248643
Je pense que les grenouilles sont mauvaises. Je préfère les auteurs americains.
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>>8248665
Ah bon, que lis-tu au juste? Y a pas trop à prendre chez les américains. au moins à ce que j'en connais... une recommandation (sérieuse)?
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>>8248643
Chui américain mais je comprends le français. Est-ce qu'il serait difficile de lire les livres de rousseau en français? J'ai acheté un exemplaire à Paris

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What's the literature equivalent of a Tsai Ming-liang film.
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damn, I want this too. bump
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>>8248641
ming liang is shit

Edward Yang > Hou Hsiao Hsien >>>> Ming-Liang
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>>8248641
Infinite Jest

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Post a more accurate pic illustrating the relevance of world literature. Oh wait, you cant.

>reading anything other than the great 4
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>>8248610
>reading anything from an English speaking country beside Shakespear.

You're lucky to have him
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Replace Britain with 'Murica if we're talking the last 200 years.
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>>8248610
Britain isn't even the most relevant in English language literature.

Who are the most interesting noir/detective writers?

Pynchon doesn't count
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Dashiell Hammett is pretty much classic, even tho he's formulaic. James Ellroy is probably my favorite.
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>>8248553
ellroy

destined to become /lit/core
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Rafael Bernal - The Mongol Conspiracy

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Only blue-pill cucklords think this book isn't the 20th century equivalent of the Torah
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Currently reading the fountain head actually. My first book by her.

I'm on page 74 taking a break to shit.

I like it a lot so far, it almost seems like a coming of age novel but I know it will become more complex hopefully.

She is very heavy handed in some places which is a little frustrating. But I like her writing so far.
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Not OP.

Just finished this, What a fucking struggle it was to finish it. Especially the 70 page monologue chapter, yes I get the fucking point of her philosophy.

What makes it worse imo is that she portrays the looters as as retards, who 'cry' everything vs. the heros who 'calmly say' everything.

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i came here to do lines and fuck bitches and i'm all outta lines
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>>8248502
>mfw reading about his visit to Dickens' house

Austistic af
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>>8248512
tell me more. i'm intrigued.
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>>8248533
THERE is nothing worse than a guest who outstays his welcome, and that was how Charles Dickens felt when Hans Christian Andersen came to stay 150 years ago.

The English novelist's patience was so strained by Andersen's refusal to leave, after staying for weeks, that Dickens's daughter nicknamed him the "bony bore".

The unfortunate episode has been recalled through an inscribed volume that has come to light before the London Antiquarian Book Fair at Olympia next month.

The...
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I'm about halfway through pic related.

Anyone read it? Thoughts?

I just really wanted to read up on ancient Rome, and this was the first thing I found that had good reviews, and I just went with it.
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>>8248497
>Letting a feminist teach you about Ancient Rome

Oh fucking kek anon.

Well conditioned, you have been.

Caesar turns in his grave.
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What are your thoughts on it, OP?
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read pic related

and then read The Fall of the Roman Empire: A New History of Rome and the Barbarians

When did you finally realize you had nothing important to say about things and no artistic merit whatsoever, that everything you create will be an unoriginal chewing of vomit of greater people and gave up the attempt to write?
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I really dont have time for that.
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>>8248310
>When did you finally realize you had nothing important to say about things and no artistic merit whatsoever, that everything you create will be an unoriginal chewing of vomit of greater people and gave up the attempt to write?
When I actually tried writing for the first time. I just sat there because I had absolutely nothing to talk about and no life experience whatsoever.
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I don't have anything """important""" to say, I just wanna write a nice story with nice prose.

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Has anyone here read this? It was my second Gaddis book after The Recognitions and I don't really know what to make of it. It was just all so abrupt, especially those last two chapters.
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>>8248203
Actually the only Gaddis I've read so far.

I really liked it alot, anon. I'm a big fan of anti-climax in a narrative, but there are plenty of crumbs provided that allow the reader to interpret, or remain mystified, as to what happened. The events don't actually matter though, it's the fever pitch of deplorable humanity that made the book work for me.

I read Gaddis' Paris Review interview, and a review of the book by Cynthia Ozick as well, and Ozick and the interviewer both hone...
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>>8248543
It's not what happened that was the issue for me, but how jarring it all was as a whole.

I did enjoy it, but I guess it was as strangely constructed as its eventual title. That aspect of it caught me off guard at the end somehow.
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I have a first edition signed copy.

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was Tolkien depressed when he wrote this little story?


>incest
>suicide
>murdering of innocent people (not in war)
>deceiving and plotting
>tragic ending


this is easily the darkest Tolkien story
he is no stranger to dark storylines, but this was just filled with wicked people and mean spirited acts

what do you think?
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At least for a while Tolkein imagined that Turin would come back during Middle Earths Ragnarok, when Morgoth breaks through the Door of Night and the final battle begins, and that little ole Turin would be the one to deliver the final death blow to Morgoth himself.

Thinking of that kind of makes it all ok.
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>>8248038
Did you never hear of Kalevala or at least Greek tragedy?
Because this is the retelling of the first and could be seen as influenced by the second.
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Tolkein was big into old Sagas and pagan tales. Don't be surprised when a work influenced by them is full of death, intrigue, and misery.

I just finished The Stranger, and i really enjoyed it. What do you guys think of this book?
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>>8248029
>he enjoyed the stranger

HAHHAHAHAAHHAAHA

Shouldn't you be in school kid?
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the most overrated legitimate work of literature i've ever read

it's like catcher in the rye for college students
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>>8248037
What's so bad about it?

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ITT: Philosophers who practiced what they wrote
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>>8247913
>implying writing is not practice
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>>8247973
It's not
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>>8247913
Julius Evola.

Literally gave away all of his paintings and writings for free, and lived an incredibly modest life.

What went wrong? Is Lacan alone enough to do this to a man?
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At least he grew some hair on that feminine face of his + also the chest, pretty sure he gets laid for every sniff he produces
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The fight against ideology is stressful on a man.
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Influence by yellow fever and video games

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Is there a good "first year literature textbook" type of thing you've ever read?

Something like pic related, which went through editing, sound, genre, angles, misenscene, form, content, but instead about prose.
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Burroway, Writing Fiction
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>>8247906

thanks
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Is that actually good?

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I am looking to increase my library with more medieval literature - What are your suggestions on must-owns besides the ones I currently have:

Divina Commedia
Decamerone
The Norse Eddas
St Augustine's Confessions and City of God
Beowulf
Chanson de Roland
Nibelungenlied

Hit me with your best medieval lit!
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Chretien de Troyes' Arthurian Romances
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>>8247773
The Decameron
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St. Augustine isn't medieval you dip.

Recommend me some books whose perspective or main character is female age 24 to 56, preferably by a female author.

I'm writing a story about a lonely kindergarten teacher whose student dies. Need some more female perspective.

Already reading Alice Munro, Virginia Wolfe and Alice McDermott but need more.
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o shit my nigga Jane Eyre is exactly what u need

Jane is always younger than 24 in the novel but there's a section where her friend dies at boarding (charity) school and there's a lot of shit about the relationship between that student and one of the teachers
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>>8247741
hack facebook acounts
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>>8247752
Was looking for something more contemporary, but I'll definitely give it a try. I'm sure Bronte is better than Jane Austen.

>>8247755
hwat

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Do Hip-Hop lyrics possess any deeper meaning, or hold any literary values worthy of being analyzed by scholars? If so, how could this be done, or are there any examples of this being done before?
BONUS: Try to break down and analyze lyrics of your favorite Hip-Hop song, or let others do it for you.
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Not a single rap song is worth your time lyrically
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>Do Hip-Hop lyrics possess any deeper meaning
pretty fucking obvious if you just listen to some

>or hold any literary values worthy of being analyzed by scholars?

lol
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>>8247645
no

and i really wish you would stop making this thread

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>OMG anon, of course I am a positivist! I love feeling happy! :)
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[[internal autistic screaming]]
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>I love being an intelligent and rational person, like all those cool famous scientists! Mind you, that's why I'm a rationalist!
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{{I want to hate fuck you in the butt}}

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>local philosophy factory closed down
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what's a philosophy factory?
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Mine outsourced to India. Fuck.
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>>8247294
>can only afford cheap chinese buddhism

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I am just beginning my literature journey. Of course I "read" what was required of me in high school but I merely extracted what I needed for my assignments, in other words, I read the books but made no attempt to understand them.

I (in a rather dark place) decided that I may as well pick try to read something because I had enjoyed reading when I was a child (obviously YA books such as HP and Percy Jackson) and picked 1984 out of a stack of mostly unopened or neglected books from my families bookshelf.

I was captivated. It unlocked deep emotions within...
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>>8247141
I think you can continue. Some works u just think about for the rest of ur life if they really ment something to you. If they did no new book will really take the message away and u have plenty of time to think about books u read afterr u read them.
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>>8247141
>I am thinking about jumping into my next book (Siddhartha)
You sure you're not still in HS, because these were both assigned for me freshman year. Thankfully I'd read 1984 in eighth grade on my own and was able to understand it rather well. Hell, I was talking about it a few months back with one of my friends and she never figured out that Winston dies at the end.
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>>8247220

9th: Lord of the Flies
10th: The Alchemist (among other options)
11th: A list of options I can't remember
12: Grapes of Wrath

I was even in AP.

Also I'm not particularly proud of this, but it isn't difficult to get an A on a paper about a book you didn't read. I was more preoccupied with Theatre and pussy at the time.

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>unbeknownst
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>unirregardless
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>methinks
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>photo.jpg

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Modern Library Classics> NYRB Classics> Oxford world classics> Penguin Classics. (sometimes Penguin is better than Oxford but more often than not, Oxford is better)


Agreed?
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>>8246425

>no norton critical
>no bedford case studies
>no vintage contemporaries

you didn't even try
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>>8246425
I've honestly never even heard of Modern Library.
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>>8246425
>one fairly ordinary publisher is better than another

is this really the sort of thing you spend time thinking about, anon?

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So is Dostoevsky's Underground Man essentially just a /r9k/ robot?

Pic related, an average /r9k/ robot.
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>>8246364
...yeah basically
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>>8246364
Has the egg finally cracked?
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>>8246397
A chick has hatched.

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Which one should I read first
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Cuckleberry Finn
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>>8246208
Isn't it already past your bedtime?
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>>8246213
Little bit

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what's the most avant garde literature that isn't pretentious self-indulgent wanky shite? pic related
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Wayside school
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mon mem(e)oir tbqh
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What do I need to know going into this book to get anything out of it? Someone suggested re-watching Hamlet which seems like a good idea but what else?
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>>8246072
half the book is annotations, if it was the first book you've ever read you wouldn't miss anything.
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>>8246072
society of the spectacle

simulation and simulacra
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>>8246072
it's based on 'the royal tenenbaums' movie - maybe you should watch that first

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What is the best edition of Ulysses out there now?

I was thinking about getting either this one:
https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/0679722769/ref=ox_sc_act_title_2?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER

Or this one:
https://www.amazon.com/Ulysses-Oxford-Worlds-Classics-James/dp/0199535671
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>>8245523
Pretty sure the words in 'em are the same.
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>>8245523
I am currently reading the 1922 text. It's my first time reading Ulysses though so I have nothing to compare it to. I've enjoyed it so far though, if that helps a little bit. There are plenty of footnotes.
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>>8245523

Gabler or bust.

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Is there any author or philosopher/thinker who has written with the idea or notion of willfully and deliberately rejecting the human condition due to its repulsiveness.

Here I shall define what I mean by "the human condition" and "repulsiveness":
By the human condition I primarily (but not exclusively) mean the lack of any meaning or purpose and yet being stuck in a perpetual state of activity and will driven partly be inescapable primitive wants and needs and partly by whatever narrow worldview we adopt over our lives. How disgusting and utterly...
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This is Absurdism.

https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Absurdism
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>>8245005
Nowhere in absurdism does it talk about one's repulsion to the human condition and the rejection of it through suicide.

Camus attempts to argue against suicide but fails spectacularly. He poses the correct question : "does absurdism dictate suicide?" but never really commits to giving an answer to it because he believes that life can be made worth living and he believes in other spooks like freedom and passion. A more realistic/pragmatic person would not see "freedom" but would see...
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The ugliness of slavery to the human form/condition becomes apparent only to those who are self aware and only those who aren't distracted with any happiness can see things for what they really are. See things in their natural state.

Consider a man without much. He begins to need and want food, water, companionship, love, affection, tools, knowledge, entertainment, sleep. All he does is want and need. He becomes aware of these needs and becomes aware of his state and the things he is willing to do to obtain or satisfy these needs. He will realize that he is nothing...
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What was /lit/ like during high school? Were you the patrician valedictorian, or maybe a degenerate dropout? Did you have an interest in literature, or did that only come later in life?


I was an edgy neckbeard who went out of his way to criticize the Bush administration in social studies class whenever possible. I had long, greasy hair, wore punk/metal band t-shirts every day, and am pretty sure many of my classmates suspected me of being a potential school shooter. In terms of literature I read lots of Lovecraft and other classic horror, beat poetry, and comic books....
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I was the friendless loser girl, "good girl"/teacher's pet stereotype who spent all time in the library during lunch rather than in the cafeteria, hoping a qt boy would approach me because of my patrician taste in literature (which never happened, of course). I just wanted to find my Sartre and be someone's Castor.
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I was the quiet loser that a bunch of people thought was mysterious or deep since I was also relatively attractive.
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>that a bunch of people thought was mysterious or deep

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So I found out there's a writing club at my college. Here's a vid they shot promoting the club:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAJaQt1Ol_0

They are having a meeting tomorrow, should I go /lit/?
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>>8244243
No, stay at home and write.
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>>8244252
but, other people, who write and stuff...
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>>8244243
>that nigger who barely caught the book

also yeah OP you should totes go if you wanna hear memewords like "flow" and "mantra" and have people read off some ebin instagram quotes about life


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