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I just read the first 4 chapters of this. Why is Golding's writing so hard to follow? Am i dumb?

Should I continue with it?
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>>8247870

Is English your first language, also how is The Inheritors? I've always been really curious about it since I liked Lord of the Flies a lot.
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>>8247919
It is, but since he's writing from the viewpoint of a Neanderthal it makes the language he's using rather odd and pair that with his unnecessary and garbled descriptions of the terrain its down right confusing at times.

And i'm the same, really enjoyed LOTF so decided to give this a read. I'm enjoying it so far its just the odd paragraphs which I can't make sense of annoy me. Also i think i'm supposed to understand the positioning of the area they are in but I just cant picture it.
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Has no one read this book or something?

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Anyone got any good books which go on the topic of writing(essays,narratives,etc)
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>>8247751
The dictionary.
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Oxford Guide to writing

More for essays and shit like that. Good for fiction too since it gets deep into the technicalities of prose.
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Charles Bukowski: On Writing

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Does anyone have this edition of V. (Vintage Classics)? I want to buy this novel and the only options I have are this and the Perennial Classics which I will post the cover after this. But as far as I've researched, the Perennial edition is the 'unauthorized' uncorrected version, and the British ones are the more definitive versions of the novel. So, I'm leaning for the Vintage edition, but I really HATE that art cover, and also I wanted to get some input regarding the paper quality, font, book durability, etc
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>>8247706
this is the Perennial Classics edition that apparently has the uncorrected version of the novel
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>>8247706
The perennial one is better in terms of everything but the text not being the revised edition, those "where's Waldo" cover vintage editions have notoriously shoddy print quality.

But no one's actually done a comparison of the uncorrected text to the "authorized" version, so it's hard to say if the final version is significantly different from the one that got published in 'Murrica or not.
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>>8247722
I've read a few diferences in an article and it seems like it's just minor details, but I'd still prefer very much having the corrected version. It just feels like the right thing to do. Damn, now I'm stuck

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Okay, I do not go on this board, or 4chan, regularly. I am a high school student who has recently turned 18 and got kicked out of my old high school, leaving me with two misdemeanors that I have to take care of ( 1 year probation, community service.) I was dealing/doing drugs daily while attending school and while calming down and sort of clearing my mind or sobering up, I have just realized that I have no idea what the fuck I am doing. When I do read I usually stick with Murakami and Kurt Vonnegut, they just really grab my attention and distract me like another drug. Are there...
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>>8247688
Start with the greeks.
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>>8247688
My Antonia and Death Comes for the Archbishop by Willa Cather.
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>>8247688
stay off the internet, go camping and hiking

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Hey /lit/

I'll be on a plane for 12 hours, in two days time and I'd like to read a book (any book that is freely attainable on the Internet as an ePub file; preferably Gutenberg because it doesn't fuck with my iPod the same way some other sites do) for the entirety of the plane trip. I lost my eReader
charger here, my ereader is dead and I figured there's no point trying to buy a new charger considering I'll be arriving back home so soon anyway where I have a spare charger. I want to read some Russian non-Dostoevskian (because i strongly prefer...
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Just read some gogol short stories
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>>8247675
This famalam. Throw in some Chekov and a couple of New Testament books and you're good.
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>>8247672
Arthur Conan Doyle's nonfiction, like The Boer War and The Crime of the Congo are really good on PG.

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Get posting faggots
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read the wiki
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>>8247667
wow what a great idea for a thread

and i really appreciate all the work you did in telling us your own thoughts before asking everyone to expend energy on your behalf
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Le Comte de Monte Cristo

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What does /lit/ think of Arthur C.Clarke?
Personally he's my favorite genre fiction writer and has pretty decent prose, my favorite works of his are 2001 a space odyssey, Childhood's End and Rendezvous with Rama.
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>>8247646
the nine billion names of god is probably the best sci fi short story ever
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>>8247652
wow that was a great read, thanks anon
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>>8247646
I've read City And The Stars, and Rendezvous With Rama. The former was much more enjoyable with all of the exotic scenery, unusual robots, the intriguing aspects of a past being revealed, including its religions.

While Rama turned out to be an anticlimactic bore-fest; too dry, too uneventful, not profound, just a series of problems being solved prosaically. So my ultimate feelings about Clarke are of ambivalence. If I approach anything else from him it will be his short stories.

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"You're rapping about homosexuals and vicodin, I can't sell this shit! Either change the record, or it's not coming out"

What did he mean by this?
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>>8247603
>What did he mean by this?

what do you mean by this?
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This thread is about a skit on an Eminem record, and it will remain on the literature board until it dies naturally in ten hours.
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>>8247619
rap is poetry + music. i determine this thread to be completely on-topic

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>read Phaedo
>Socrates gets asked how he knows the soul is immortal
>he says it's immortal by definition
>"omg Socrates, you've done it again!"

Ah well, it's a bit more canon cred but I gained no pleasure from this.
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don't trust everything you read
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>>8247600
What did you think about his theory of ideas/forms, theory of recollection, and his ideas about the qualities of the soul?
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>>8247600
he gives like 3 or 4 arguments for it

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Punctuation question.

What is it called when you ask the audience a question in a piece of prose and what is the accepted punctuation structure for this kind of writing.

Examples:
> "How?" you may ask? Well, let me tell you!
> You may be thinking, "Why or how or when," but that is beside the point.
> Do not presume to ask, "punctuation is of little consequence in this day and age!"

Those examples are what I think the punctuation...
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>>8247598
that's just a rhetorical question

first example is ok except it doesn't need the second question mark (after "ask")
second example is just missing a question mark
third example is not phrased as a question, it's just a statement
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>>8247604

thanks
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>>8247598
>you may ask
This is a statement. The "conditional element" you find in a question is in the "may," so a question mark would be redundant. The "How?" part is okay, because you're stating they may ask.

Also, some sentences take the form of a question that don't need question marks if they aren't interrogative.

For instance, "Who gives a shit," is only interrogative if you are legit asking who gives a shit. Most of time...
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Is this a good introduction to postmodernism? I heard a lot about it, but the fact Jameson is a neo-marxist is a bit of a turn off. Is it objective, profound, or will I end up having a wrong idea of pomo?
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>>8247577
I guess that one and "The postmodern condition" by Lyotard.
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Sounds more like a critique of it.
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>>8247583
Is it? Makes sense, I haven't read it, but it was never presented to me as such.

>>8247581
Which one should I start with?

Why is it that reading is so attractive and cathartic for us?

Does it go back to the cliche that we are just intellectually superior or does it have nothing to do with that, and more to do with personality type?
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come on fellas
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>>8247516
Communication, my friend. All people, introverted or extroverted, have a need for communication and books give us exactly the essential things, without all the banal small talk, which all intelligent people crave. I often think that I get so much pleasure from reading, poetry especially, because it makes me feel less alone. Whenever I see someone having a thought that I once had myself or describes what I am feeling I immediately feel life is less impossible to live because someone else has found a way to do it in...
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>>8247586
Nah that was a solid answer.

I agree. I'm more into the older stuff too because I already feel connected enough to people around me its almost overwhelming.

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Post the best respective authors from your country and discuss their best work.

Others prove themselves to be plebs and starts asking who, or what country.

I'll start with easy one
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>>8247464
I'm from Ireland famalam there's no point
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True

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>i couldn't relate to any of the characters
>all of the characters were unsympathetic
>there was no-one to root for

are these the most plebeian of literary complaints?
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>>8247434
what if the characters are giant pixel clouds that repeatedly scream "boobaloo!" for no reason throughout the entire novel and someone finds themselves not relating to that
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>>8247439
Then both the author and those readers are plebeian.
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Comments like that can help if you know what to look for and how to ask questions

The layman can definitely sense when story is lacking "energy" to keep itself moving forward, which is why it can be callled stuff like "bland", "uninspired" etc. but dont expect them to be able to tell you why in explicit detail, just take the feedback and test it against your own knowledge of how your story works

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Anyone else occasionally attributes special reading voices for some specific authors?

For some reason, I internally read things written by Schopenhauer in the voice of Harry S. Plinkett.
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>Humanity was the most disappointing thing since my son. I mean, how much could you possibly fuck up the entire world as representation? And while my son eventually hanged himself in the bathroom of the gas station, the unfortunate reality of humanity is that it will persist on being.
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>>8247412
>You might be saying, life can't be that bad. After all it's the only thing we got, riight? Well yeah, except for a little idea called the princanthemum individuaricearoni.
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related - are there any youtube channels as good as rlm? doesnt have to be about film, just overall quality

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I am Thomas Aquinas, AMA.
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Is it true that you could fly
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y r u gay sage
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>>8247390
What's even bad about harming stupid animals?

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I love genre fiction. i love stories with swords and magic, advanced alien societies, and stories that scare me shitless

After taking a few english lit class I've realized how shitty the writing is in the majority of popular scifi,fantasy and horror novels

are there any MODERN genre fiction authors whose works could be considered "literature" or of "literary merit"?
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Define 'literary' and 'literary merit'

you sure you're just looking for decent stories?
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>>8247316

McCarthy writes the best westerns.
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>>8247316
Kazuo Ishiguro has written 'literary' fantasy (The Buried Giant) and sci-fi (Never Let Me Go).

From the other angle, Gene Wolfe is generally cited as a genre author good enough to be considered literary.

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Has /lit/ ever stopped reading a book simply because you didn't like it, or it wasn't what you were expecting? How far into the book did you decide that you no longer wanted to read it? Pic related, within the first few chapters of each of these I wanted to throw them away, however I decided to finish each of these because I felt like they'd get better. They did not.

Have you ever stuck with a book until the end, even though you hated reading it? Does it feel like you have in a sense a moral obligation to finish for the sake of finishing what you started?
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I have a few books that I've dropped. Mostly it's related to a novel my mom suggested to me.

I'm not really enthusiast about Sookie Stackhosue mysteries since she gave me a later entry.

She enthused a bit about a male character being like a giant puppy, but I got creeped out by the character and the actor's voice in my head acting these lines.

I don't have a sense of moral obligation to finish the novel. And unless I have an advanced reader copy, I don't see a need to finish it.
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I've only stopped reading one novel, and that was Juliette.

I was about 150 pages in and never felt bad at all about dropping it.
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>>8247285
We read Go Ask Alice back in this one high school class. It was good for an unintended laugh or two because of how sensational and moralizing it was. The "twist" ending was so sloppy that it elicited a chuckle or two as well.

>Russian author Fyodor Dostoyevsky wrote The Gambler in 26 days while also writing Crime and Punishment. He was heavily in debt and addicted to gambling and saw the semi-autobiographical novella as a good way to help him pay off his debts.

>26 days.
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>>8247197
>Plath wrote Ariel in October
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>>8247197
>He was heavily in debt and addicted to gambling and saw the semi-autobiographical novella as a good way to help him pay off his debts.

I'm sure that helped

"Its fear that gives men wings"
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>>8247199
Except Plath is shit.

Can we get a list of thought provoking and/or controversial books that really make you think?

I'm looking for some more books to buy.
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Perpetual Joshing
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the holy bible
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>>8247170
Men Among The Ruins - Julius Evola

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''Nothing could be more inappropriate to American literature than its English source since the Americans are not British in sensibility.''
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You've convinced me, I'll write my novel in Esperanto
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This is true but "sensibility" is hardly a static thing. The first Brits to inhabit America were Puritans, Quakers, and other strange folks who were just as different in sensibility before they crossed the Atlantic. The 17th and 18th centuries were as decisive in the shaping of the British identity as the American one. A lot happened on both sides of the ocean.
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B-but to be fair to Anglo-Saxons; the Jewish, which Americans are in sensibility, are equally bad

Which one do you prefer /li/, Illiad or Odyssey?
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>>8247093
Metamorphoses
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>>8247093
odyssey
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>>8247093
Aeneid

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Other than pic related and De Profundis, obviously
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Jack London (jail, but still good)
Kate Richards O'Hare
Chester Himes
Nelson Algren
George Jackson
people here love Iceberg Slim, so
Iceberg Slim
Jimmy Santiago Baca
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Borstal Boy by Brendan Behan
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>>8246983
a day in the life of ivan denisovich and darkness at noon

shawshank redemption in different seasons

Should I major in philosophy, /lit/?
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absolutely not unless you're so rich that going to college doesn't even begin to matter
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>should
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>>8246833
you have a moral duty to

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Was he the best philosopher?
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>>8246810
Thanks.
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Never heard of him before /lit/, who is he and what has he done?
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>>8247994
Evola. Gets pegged as a traditionalist, but he had some reservations. Rejected both capitalism and communism since they were both modern inventions and led to dehumanizing societies. Advocated ingestion of psychedelics given certain conditions.

File him under "critic of modernity" along with the rest of /lit/'s favorite boyos.

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How do I into Aesthetics?
What should I read? Recommend some books.
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Start with improving your grammar.

Grammar is the baseline to literary aesthetics.
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1.partake or expose yourself to art
2.form an opinion about it that isn't stupid
3.explain that opinion with an air of self importance and flowery language
4.you are an aestheticist
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>>8246773
>telling him to lie about his opinions, if necessary

typical.

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What are some pieces of fiction that are concerned with a fictional work of literature, i.e. The King in Yellow?
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>>8246663
Pale Fire
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>>8246663
2666
S.
Lots of Borges
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>>8246663
The Recognitions
The New York Trilogy
Pale Fire

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I'm looking to learn Latin and I can't decide whether to get Latin Via Ovid, with the workbook or Wheelock's Latin. I hear that Wheelock's is good for learning grammar and syntax, but I hear Wheelock's approach is more like solving a puzzle.

Anyways, any suggestions?
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I'm curious: can you learn Latin in an American highschool?
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>>8246642
Never heard of the Ovid text, heard exactly what you did about Wheelock and didn't like the sound of it.

I started Latin about a month ago, so I can't speak from any expertise, but can share my experience so far. I've been using Lingua Latina alongside Collar's "Beginner's Latin Book" (published 1891, free pdf online) and have found the process to be pretty rewarding.

Lingua is entirely in Latin and sort of forces you to "think" in Latin, and if you reread...
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>>8246642
Use both and lingua latina per se illustrata, also take a look at Ritchies "fabulas faciles" for easy, early reading practice.

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Post books that changed your plans for your life and why.

I wanted to get married before this. I might still but its not a goal
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>and why

jesus christ op answer your own prompt
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>>8246593
why that book might change his opinion of marriage is pretty obvious
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>>8246593
Sorry I forgot

Stoner's wife made me contemplate the hellish possibilities of married life in a way that permanently soured my perception of the concept of marriage, no matter how uncommon his situation may be

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Does anybody have short stories or novellas written by women that aren't trite? I have to crank out a short but meaningful personal response to a piece of literature specifically written by a woman and I cannot for the life of me find any that speak to me at all. To be specific, I relate well to books which have some kind of allegorical statement to be made, something which I have found sorely lacking in female literature. Books like Lord of the Flies, Animal Farm, Brave new world and Nineteen Eighty Four are what I mean.
Pic unrelated
>inb4...
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>>8246556
La Princesse de Cleves


>Books like Lord of the Flies, Animal Farm, Brave new world and Nineteen Eighty Four
holy shit taste
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>>8246556
I want to say Flannery O'Connor but you might not like her because you're taste is awfully juvenile
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I realize this is a fiction, but I must ask this fiction, what the hell are you even doing in school? You have no business reading literature at all, really. You should be out ploughing the fields or picking up garbage. Learning is not for those of your type. Which is fine, but as it is you are perpetrating an abomination.


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