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>material substance ad the physical properties that govern them have existed for all of eternity
>they have no cause
>A first mover isn't necessary

*tip*
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>God and hence the Universe is eternal
>Something without a beginning can be a "first mover"
>Something without a beginning needs a "first mover"

ok
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>>8224756
>everything has just been hanging around jacking itself off for eternity
>literally reducing the universe to a massive masturbatory engine

ok
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>>8224754
What caused the first mover?

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I've asked before what is the cutting-edge of Literary Theory right now, and generally the attitude seems to be that Literary Theory as a movement isn't current any more and reached a degree of end.

In which case, what did Literary Theory conclude? Literary Theory's aim was to understand the nature of literature, no? If it's at an end then it must have reached something of an answer right?

I'm working my way through it and so far I'm in the middle of a big sprawling mass that I'm having trouble condensing. I want to in some ways...
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>>8224725

I've just finished an intro to lit course and I can tell you it's all about how white men are evil. Literally every book is about how white men are racist and sexist.
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>>8224728

Sounds about right.
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Literary theory totally collapsed in on itself with post-modernism around the 60s/70s (espousing meaning is impossible to nail down). From the ashes arose the notion that all the different particular theories (historical, feminist, psychoanalytic, etc.) had value as points of view, but that there is no singular perspective. At least that's what I took away from a very, very, very brief look into it.

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How can there be no self? I get that everyone's opinion of themselves wrong at least a little but isn't there undeniably consciousnesses experiencing things in your head? is it just semantics? youre conscious but youre memories probably arent very reliable and all life is interdependent on each other? how would that nullify youre experience of being a "self"? is it just dogma to help people cope with being alive? am i missing the point? when people say things like 'if your look for a self it will vanish' or 'who is doing the thinking'...
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I would suggest Waking Up by Sam Harris. Also watch his talks on Big Think.

If you really want to experience it, I would suggest you give serious thought to taking a psychedelic like psilocybin. Of course, that's not a decision to take lately and you should absolutely avoid it if there is a history of mental illness in the family, specifically schizoaffective disorder.
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Relevant?

>In other words, the earliest definitions describe the key defining feature of meditation as an experience of “mental silence”.

>Many other explicit examples of this definition can be found in Eastern literature from virtually every historical period. Lao Tzu, for example, urged us to “Empty the mind of all thoughts” in the Tao Te Ching.

>Yet Western definitions of meditation have consistently failed to acknowledge its significance. Perhaps this is because...
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>>8224737
>>This might explain why for most people in the West, including the academics and researchers on whom we rely to generate our scientific knowledge, mental silence represents both an alien concept and an illogical experience.

This must also be why the west has so many great achievements in science, philosophy and culture while the east, just sitting around thinking they don't exist all day, still poop in buckets and don't know math.

>"Anon, welcome aboard. I'll start by introducing the the to you and telling you a little about them."
>"This is Jane. She enjoys running marathons for charity. This guy you'll be working with is David. He's a Rhodes Scholar and in his spare time he's the CEO of a charity that raises over $4 million a year for sustainable farming tools for Malawi. Wendy here got her PhD in Physical Chemistry from Berkeley last year and when she's not playing with her kids she still like spending a...
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Are you really that fucking stupid that you can't remember reading my CV when I applied here?
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I entertain mentally challenged children and teach them valuable life skills.
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>>8224617
"I write articles for several right-conservative print and online newspapers."

>tfw I realize people wouldn't consider this a "hobby"
Goddamn, what do normies even do. I go to the gym and participate in marathons. Ain't that something? Where do winners even get the time for that shit.

Hey /lit/

Started reading this. Have absolutely no idea what the fuck Deleuze is saying. Should i continue? Is this because I have not read enough philosophy (this reason is quite probable. If it is this what should i read to prepare myself? ) Does it make more sense the second or third read? Is the effort worth it?

Also general philosophy 'what are you reading, what are you struggling with, what are you working on' thread. All philosophy welcome not just continental rubbish.
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>>8224606
What possible reason would encourage you to start with one of the most esoteric and dense philosophers of the 20th century if you've barely read any philosophy?
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>>8224651
This. Fuck off, OP... and start with the greeks.
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>>8224651
It was recommended to me by my lecturer.

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What books do you stand to gain the most from intellectually? Sometimes even Kernels of truth stick with in in a really big way. Sometimes you read a story that you feel you are constantly referring to in your own life. I am looking for books that won't feel like a waste of time to read them, sometimes I can read very deep into and focus intensely on so I can feel as though I'm extracting their knowledge.
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Harry Potter
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>>8224527
Bloom's The Western Canon.
Designated pseud killer.

Thoughts?
I think he is one of the best writers of fiction in history.
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>horned waning moon
Garbage purple prose with no variety.
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>>8224500
it adds to the tension and suspende in his stories.
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>>8224494
Doesn't set scenes very well. For his time, really good. Best writers of all time? No. Best of cosmic horror writers? Definitely up there as a pioneer.

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>have a decent idea for a book
>can't write decent prose

How do I die?
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>>8224455
>How do I die?
By dying of exhaustion due to endless soul-crushing training of your prose skills.
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>>8224455
we're all dead inside already
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Write anyway.

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Is there any inherent value in achievement? Also, what's the point of publishing a novel? What's the point of releasing any piece of art? Does other people reading something you've made somehow add value to your life? Is it nothing but vanity?
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Take the black pill
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>>8224416
Vanitas vanitatum, yes. I write because it makes life less unbearable, as I knowingly partake with others into the shared lie of meaning.
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>>8224416
>Is there any inherent value in achievement?

there's no such thing

>Also, what's the point of publishing a novel? What's the point of releasing any piece of art?

there's no such thing as 'points', get rid of illusionary teleologies.

> Does other people reading something you've made somehow add value to your life?

if you want it to.

>...
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What are some of the best female characters in literature who's NOT (!) a Manic Pixie Dream Girl™ or a shallow cliché in other ways (like the Whore™, Madonna™, etc)?

I'm looking for the female Raskolnikov, sort of.
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>>8224413

gee™ bro™ i™ don't™ know™
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>>8224413
you sound nearly almost as butthurt as this guy >>8224417
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>>8224413
The Waves has good female characterisation.

A lot of front that masks deep insecurity and jealousy.

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ITT: Everybody gives his understanding of what a SPOOK is.

I'm tired of all the threads where one anon gives an explanation and two anons will say "that's not it" without improvong upon it
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Ideology subsumed concepts.
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>>8224406
"higher causes"
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What haunts the universe, and has its occult, “incomprehensible” being there, is precisely the mysterious
spook that we call highest essence. And to get to the bottom of this spook, to comprehend it, to
discover reality in it (to prove “the existence of God”) — this task men set to themselves for thousands
of years; with the horrible impossibility, the endless Danaid-labor, of transforming the spook into a
non-spook, the unreal into something real, the spirit into an entire and corporeal person — with this
they tormented themselves to death. Behind...
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What are the essential stoic books?
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>>8224357
start with the greeks
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>>8224362
and resume with the romans
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>>8224362
>>8224371
Which particular books?

Is this a good read? Worth getting?
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>>8224356
Yes, it's a great book.
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>>8224356
good shit, op. peep it
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>>8224356
Really great book. Get it.

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Hey /lit/, I'm writing a post-apocalyptic tragedy. What cliches should I avoid?
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I'd advise not making it overtly grim. The character(s) should have something to strive towards, even if they only ever get fleeting glimpses of it over the course of the story.

It's possible to write unending grinding grimness, but generally you have to be Cormac McCarthy if you really want to pull it off.
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>>8224297
avoid explaining the fucking reason it went to shit

avoid making your character the center of the universe

does your character NEED a love interest?

avoid stupid technology as a way to fix a plot problem

avoid a "heh... nothin personal kid" person
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>>8224308
All good advice.

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is atheism intellectually shallow?
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Define atheism.
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Idunno.
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>>8224267
Fuck you.

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DUDE BOOKS LMAO
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>>8224236
Are your parents proud of you?
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>>8224236
He looks a bit like a shaved and showered Bukowski.
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>>8224236
DUDE INFINITE LABYRINTHS OF AN ETERNAL POEM COMPOSED BY ALL AND NO MEN WHO ARE MERELY INDIVIDUAL ORGANS PROJECTED BY THE DEITY TO PERCEIVE HIS CREATION LMAO

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Magnificently beautiful sentences, style and wittyness with deep thoughts that makes you wanna cry:
name me other writers who are capable of achieving this level of perfection of form and substance.
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Proust
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>>8224230
Vladimir Nabokov
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>>8224230
Peter Butfield

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I'm really not liking this book. I can't get into it at all. It made me feel overwhelmed yet bored at the same time. Is it just me?
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I'm 50 pages in but it keeps getting worse. It reminds me of the attic or closet of an elderly person close to death. Nothing inside is appealing or interesting and it all feels a little gross. The items inside weren't saved for any particular reason, they just ended up staying there.
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>>8224164
>1 unique IP
you started this thread just to samefag that shitty little comparison didn't you? you're such an affected poet anoooonnnnnnnnn, old peoplee are sooo saaad
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>>8224172
I just wanted to give a description of the feeling I felt when reading it. It seemed pretty clear it was a samefag but I'm
glad you care enough to check.

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What's the most problematic book you've read?
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your diary desu. anon your mother would like to have a talk with you.
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my dairy duse
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>>8224140
my mother would like to have a talk with you

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Wrote some untraditional free verse poems, just want to hear what people think.
First poem:
A hallowed death by a withering tree,
A falling of leaves that brings upon tranquility.
The soul made boundless from the shackles of mortality,
And carried aloft by wings of peace.

Only through death is there true life,
So please, do go gently into that good night.

Second poem:
A link made eternal will not sever,
As a mind tormented will always snap,
One at war with body and mind,
For a cause unsure,
But a link everlasting clutches to the...
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If you're too stupid to find the crit thread then there's no point in even bothering to read your poems.
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>>8224073

>free verse

D R O P P E D
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Fuckin beautiful mate

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american 'philosophy'
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>>8223946
goddammit everytime I see this picture I laugh. I swear it's been around more than 10 years. gets me every time.
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>anglo 'philosophy'
ft4u
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>greek 'philosophy'

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I'm new to this. Fell in love with ann Rand right away. I feel she got a lot of things right but not everything. I'm inspired by Kierkegaard and am about to read fear and trembling, but what should I read next to continue my journey down this cosmic rabbit hole?
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>>8223940
Probably tylo be chillin
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>>8223943
16 bars is my time to shine
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>>8223940
Breed da breeks

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to read in french, of course. I'm in the middle of L'Étranger but don't know what else is really around that level
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>>8223878
Voltaire and victor hugo
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>>8223878
If you liked L'Étranger you could go for other novel from Camus. The Plague is especially good imo.

Houellebecq is fun and very easy to read. Marguerite Duras is not overly complex and she is a god-tier writer (Un barrage contre le Pacifique).
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>>8224020

Hugo is a bad suggestion, he probably won't understand 1/12 of the words he's reading.

I would recommend Antoine de Saint-Exupéry, Jules Verne and Alexandre Dumas.

How do I force myself to stop being a skeptic and to start embracing God and Islam? Why Islam? Because I want community, I want to belong to something, to have people be excited to find out that I'm one of them; I want culture, because I don't have any, because I'm just one of many white Canadians that doesn't have anything to identify to; and most of all I want something that will drive me, to be as righteous as I can, to get a job and start a family, guiding principals to live by. Is it so wrong to force yourself into a religion for these reasons? Is there...
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>>8223822
Embrace a form of Christianity that rejects Apostle Paul and you'll be the best person alive (except the tentmaker part)
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Submission of your mind, body and soul
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>>8223822

Why not be a Christian?

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>tfw you finally admit you read IJ
Did we break him, /lit/?
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>the ultimate pseud to end all pseuds doesn't like IJ
Now we know the likes of where the IJ shitposting comes from.
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Did Cliff actually read Underworld or is he just pretending?
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I hate this faggot so much

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what is that test that is taken in which you click true or false over beliefs, and when your beliefs contradict each other you fail?
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Life
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>>8223674
http://www.philosophyexperiments.com/health/
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>>8223976
Hahaha I literally laughed so hard I cried because it's so true.

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Did Thompson pop himself because he wanted to be like Hemingway?
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>>8223610

>did Thompson poop himself

hahaha he pooped his pants! lol
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>>8223610
No.
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>>8223610
DUDE

also Hemmingway*

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I'm trying to write a poem, but I'm having a hard time. Can I get some tips please?
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>>8223590
Follow metrics and rhyme schemes. Learn the basics then deviate.
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>>8223652

Let's hypothetically say I don't want to go to in that much detail? Like a free-form poem.
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1. Read other people's poetry
2. Stop stealing other people's ideas and words
3. Write

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What novel would you adapt for a feature length film production?
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j r or the recognitions. except for the recognitions I'd make it set 3 years ago and BTFO hipsters
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>>8223608
You don't BTFO things, Anonymous, as that is ungrammatical. You BTFO of them.
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>>8223585
It would have to be your pic, but I think it would work better as a cartoon series, instead of a full length movie.

I'd love to see someone do a modern TV mini-series of The Brothers Karamazov. In my opinion, I don't watch a lot of movies so don't take this as an expert opinion, here's who I picture in my head as fitting the roles.

Dmitri: Christian Bale
Ivan: Benedict Cumberbatch
Alyosha: Owen Wilson
Fyodor: David Bradley

Can't really think of anyone for Smerdyakov.

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What is the best American work of literature/philosophy?
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>>8223480
>literature

moby dick

>philosophy

n/a
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>>8223480

>American
>literature
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>>8223507
nice edge


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