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Let me tell you what this book is.

It's tediously bloated, and any remotely worthwhile parts are plagiarized from Dostoevsky, or buckled down by its own self indulgence.

It's for spineless pseuds who can't make their own decisions about life.

It's trash, and so is anyone who praises it.
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>>8223439

There's one thing and one thing only that the mods could do to immensely improve the board, instantly, overnight, and that's facilitate more threads about David Foster Wallace. Create them, nurture the ones that exist, guide the discussions, and make sure they stay on track. If we're here to discuss literature, ultimately, we are here to discuss David Foster Wallace. There is no way for a person to grasp the full implications of Infinite Jest and not realize this. We're talking about the smartest...
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Yes, I know you're trash. Plis to kill yourself.
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>>8223439
>plagiarized from Dostoevsky,
what parts?

First time posting here.

I liked these books...a lot...will I fit in?
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>>8223313
sure

good luck
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>>8223313
You already have met the prerequisites for /lit/. You've read ASoIaF, now you just have to deny liking them and pretentiously post Albert Camus and DFW memes and everyone will think you're cool.
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>>8223349
yeah fuck Dallas fort Worth airport.

Fuck their stupid monorail thing, and fuck the their American Eagle terminal. Fuck I almost got stuck at dfw once after getting transferring from AA onto an regional jet.

FFS, the airport was stupid and the airline was worse.

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>22
>Live in the state by myself, family deserted me
>Attend community college because parents fucked me for high school, convinced me to drop out at fifteen and then attend continuation high school with no plan.
>Bipolar, but never treated as such: medicated for all kinds of shit. Couldn't think straight or read for most of my teenage years. Only smoked weed to relieve the edge and then acquired a horrible nicotine habit through friends

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You want gratification? I mean, your life sounds shitty and all but I have news for you. A lot of people's lives are shitty. You're angry at everyone else instead of being focused on how to improve your situation. I'll think of some book rec's but in the mean time, do some meditating or some shit.
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>>8223308
Nice whiny blog post you narcissistic faggot
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>>8223322
back at you.
>>8223318
No doubt. I had friends that grew up shooting meth and smoking heroine with parents locked up or missing and then others who lived miserable in a comfortable estate worth millions with the love of two parents and siblings. I've seen the highs and the lows and a lot between. I'm trying to remedy my situation,
>You're angry at everyone else instead of being focused on how to improve your situation.
But you have to realize that not every situation has an immediate remedy. It's really only about catharsis. Shitting on /lit/ is cathartic for me right now. I'm sorry.

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It took me over two fucking years, but my first novel is done and now fully revised!

I plan to drink this weekend to the point of amnesia and waking up in another country, but after that; I'm gonna need to get this sucker published. I have absolutely no idea which approach is the best. Do I contact an editor first, agent, or just send it to publishing houses?

Also, are any of those service programs that shop your book around for you worth it?
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>>8223280
why don't you release it here faggot?
>b-but I want to make money out of it
You should have planned this before writing in the first place, contacted a publisher waay before and directed yourself only to sell more shit
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>>8223305
thanks for the help
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>>8223280
If it is not about Dragons or Dildos no one will ever want to read it.

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>mfw I made a tumblr page in hopes of spreading my poetry.
>mfw everyone elses is the worst shit ever written
>mfw I know why you all hate tumblr so much

other than SJW shit is it even worth it?
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>>8223278
Post poetry here since its sooooooooo goooooooddddd
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It's good for fetish porn
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>>8223278
No. Cut your losses (time, mostly) and get out of there.

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>tfw anons on here actually side with Keynes over Hayek
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>tfw economism is a cult
>tfw the history of economics begins with naive but well-meaning pre-social sciences enlightenment shit, nosedives into hegelian spookytown with marx, almost gains some dignity with the younger/older german schools of historical economics, and then goes full batshit crazy cult mode with 20th century economic nostradamian anglo-rastafarianism where you have to min/max all your points into micro and macroeconomics so you can bear-bull the trade shares and hold seances with the ghosts of recessions...
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>>8223304
>>tfw economists go to actual "schools" thinking they are "learning" something when all they're learning is to blindfold themselves and service a small fraction of the theoretically infinite penises of the economic supersphere that are visible in this dimension, and they have the gall to call what they do "Economics" with a capital E

I'm taking a bite, lads:

Well, economists do actually learn something, tryhard. You should think...
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I don't get it either.

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this is better than naked lunch
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The fuck is this a sponge bob episode?
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>>8223360
my same thoughts
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Nova Trilogy is god-tier, even if Nova Express is like 60% rehash of the previous two novellas. contain some really fascinating musings on language and systems of control, and provide a pretty compelling justification for his cut-up technique.

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Be honest you fags, how many of you actually shelled out cash for this piece of shit?
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a portable word processor isn't that bad of an idea but lmao that thing is ugly af
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>>8223062
>a portable word processor

It's called a laptop, anon
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>>8223065
sometimes less is more senpai

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>tfw someone asks plans for this weekend
>can't say reading because they'll make fun of you

i can't even talk to people. none of them want to talk about books. they assume I'm some quiet autist because I don't talk but if they would just talk about books, I'd be hard to shut up.

>tfw 21st century
>no one reads anymore and if they do, it's the hunger games
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daily reminder that 'reading' hunger games isn't reading
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there's only one way to deal with philistines
(skip to 46:15)

https://youtu.be/8BoKjQfMihs
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How do we get people to read proper literature again?

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Do you believe in free will? why or why not?
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Yes because Independence Day has been out for like 20 years now and no one's going to buy it
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there is a spectrum of freedom and a spectrum of will
the concept free will nor its opposite exist in reality
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Non determinism is a completely incoherent concept so no.

People probably confuse meta-circular loops for free will.

So do i have to read pre-socratic philosophy first or do i just jump straight into the big guy?
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For you
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you can, there isn't much to read. maybe just an intro or something, but it isn't absolutely necessary.

Plato and Aristotle pretty much are the foundations for what is to come later, and the only two who composed rigorous systems that require actual study.
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>>8222840
lmao

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Do you find your writing limited to certain feelings or archetypes?

For instance, I only seem to think of 'tragic' stories. On the walk to work I thought of the events around a schoolkid accidentally slashing his own artery. Stories of people being trapped, uncomfortable, paranoid, killed etc. Never anything happy and always 'edgy'.

Tell me about your writing.
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I can only write like a terrible Pynchon knockoff. My writing teacher gave me a lot of shit for this and made me read Jane Austen novels to try and change my style, but it didn't work.
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I can't help but be humorous in my writing. If it's not at least a little bit funny then none of the other emotions work.
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>>8222752
you mean to tell me that your prose fiction has traits which would make it identifiable as having been written by you personally? that's terrible!

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>>8222546
Follow her home and then put them on after she goes to sleep
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>>8222546
you'll stop liking her after a while don't worry

read pop fiction with some sense of alcoholism or something though
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>>8222556
kek

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I'm back with an updated list.
Can we create the ultimate /lit/ list?
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>Orwell and Twain good-tier
>Kafka and Borges mid-tier

It's like you don't read at all
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>>8222574
No matter where i put kafka, there will always be someone who bothers about his position, either if i put him high or low on the list.
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>>8222720

This is why we'll never make an "ultimate" /lit/ list.

The most objective we can achieve was the vote for our favourite books and authors a while back, but even then people are mad and want to redo it.

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>The heaventree of stars hung with humid nightblue fruit.
>contransmagnificandjewbangtantiality
What the fuck did this guy even mean?
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he was good at conveying imagery with precision wording combinations

an art and a science, to be sure
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>>8222443
Explain what he meant then.
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>>8223802
basically, the quality in the air during a jew orgy. should be pretty obvious

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What popcorn fiction do you guys enjoy when you wanna just distract yourself? I'm talking Rowling, GRRM, Tolkien, Gay-man levels of complexity, not necessarily quality
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Tolkein isn't popcorn fiction you fucking retard.

And to answer you question, Six of Crows and the Cinder series are great.
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Children's books honestly.

Are you there, God? It's me, Margaret,
Little house in the Big Woods,

etc

also cute and comfy family/ coming of age novels written by women.
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A Song of Ice and Fire, senpai. It really does have great characters.

Basically a hugely ambitious masterpiece about the isolation and alienation that capitalism creates
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>>8222355

I think you already know, OP
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>>8222355
You should very easily be able to answer this question
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American Psycho

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How could anyone ever argue against causality and determinism?
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I don't know or care.
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>>8222255

Go ahead and prove causality, I dare ya
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>>8222255

I don't.

>>8222270

t. Hume

Why did they always change sides?
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>>8222222

Why did you waste a get?
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>>8222222
holy digits
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>>8222222
Holy digits demand for an answer from BB.

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Is meditation a meme?

Books on mediation?

And motivation to maintain things?
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>>8222154

Maybe it is. It still works. Try researching mindfulness and MBSR on google, and more particularly on NCBI and pubmed. It's pretty effective against a host of modern malaises, especially shitty attention span.

Mindfulness in Plain English is a good intro, and available for free online.

Motivation is the real meme here.
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>>8222179
How is motivation a meme? Without motivation there is nothing else. Motivation is life.
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>>8222154
It's proven to be more than a meme, in the sense that it physically alters the practitioners in lasting ways when practised regularly.

reminder that if given a choice between telling a lie and letting your newborn son die, you should sacrifice the kid
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>>8222152
reminder that i will never do the deed necessary to have a son
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>>8222152

Reminder that empiricism is dead and that modern 'science' is a laughing stock due to its love afair with positivism.
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>>8222168
scientists have made dozens of amazing discoveries this week alone
what have your ""philosophers"" done this week besides burning private/public funds with cocaine and masturbating to futanari?

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How hard is to win the nobel prize of literature?
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>>8222080
10/10 stupidest question I have seen on /lit/
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>>8222080
Quite.
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>>8222080
the fact that you even ask this question tells me you're not gonna make it

yay or nay?
Are the novels worth checking out?
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nay
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nay
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It's 'yea', for the love of Allah

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Just finished Kafka on the Shore. Which Murakami book do I read next? I read Wind Up Bird Chronicle a few years ago and remember being thoroughly underwhelmed. But this was beautiful and rich. Should I give WUBC another try, or move on to some other work?
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kafka and hardboiled wonderland are my favorites

so i would reccomend hardboiled wonderland

or maybe one of the more realism or love story based books like norweigan wood. my favorite style of his is the kind of fantasy style he used in kafka.

1q84 is also very good

i read the wind up bird once and remember liking it but its hard to dredge up much of what i got from it whereas with kafka the story is so colourful and amusing that i can remember a lot more of that book. i tried rereading wind up and couldnt get very far. the great and bad thing about...
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>>8222687
>1q84 is also very good
Shit taste
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>>8223321
What made IQ84 bad?

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/lit/ is particularly shit right now. Is it the Americans or the Euros?
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obviously the Americans. I for one am Canadian. we're pretty cool eh.
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As an American it probably is the Americans.
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>>8222003
this board is just lacking quality topics and discussions, all I see is the same bullshit

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Is lyric poetry at all worth reading in translation?
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no you're only allowed to read literature in its purest form and only once.
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>>8221822
It can be.
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>>8221822
French to English isn't that huge a leap, so it can be with a competent enough translator who specializes in poetry. Baudelaire himself translated Poe into French so I don't think he'd necessarily disapprove of being translated into English.

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Please help /lit/. I think my sister has gotten interested in analytic philosophy. How do stop her from going down the wrong path?
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>>8221751

Tell her that analytic philosophers are merely LARP'ing as mathematicians/physicists, because they are too stupid for the latter two subjects.
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Get her to start with Frege and then be really sneaky and slip some Cohen and Natorp in there. Then tie her up and punch her in the tits over and over again until she understands what intentionality means and starts saying "always already" when describing epistemological stances or semantic content. When you think she's ready, show her some Quine. If she starts making pained faces and asking for something a little less discursively naive, let her go. If not, you're gonna have to start breaking fingers.
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>>8221751
B her TFO with your superior continental strain, obviously.

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Her works are utter shit in prose and content.

Furthermore, she included in her serious the spell "Avada Kedavra", which is the killing curse (for non-readers) and cannot be stopped with any known shielding spell. HOWEVER it can be countered by an equally powerful caster using a similar offensive spell. And yet, she is an anti-gun liberal cunt in real life, somehow doesn't see the parallel to actual guns. Are there any other authors this out of touch with the themes of their own novels?
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>>8221746
Series, not serious. Wtf?
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>>8221746
>And yet, she is an anti-gun liberal cunt in real life, somehow doesn't see the parallel to actual guns. Are there any other authors this out of touch with the themes of their own novels?

It's a fictional story, fampai

also
>implying objective value
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>>8221746
It remains a mystery to me, anon. I truly detest this woman and any of her fans who think that HP is legitimate fantasy.

I'm looking for a protagonist who is actually alienated from humanity and not just a disturbed human like in pic related.
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make it about an AI that was put into a human body and dropped into a city with nothing.
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Steppenwolf?
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>>8221499
Old Axolotl by Dukaj (polish sci-fi writer)

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How do you internalize philosophy or very prose-heavy writing, and then apply it to life?

I feel as if i am only recognizing what i am reading on the surface and am not absorbing the ideas presented to me in word fully, and so am wasting my time reading.

I've only begun reading outside of non-fiction recently, and have been set on finishing "The Ego and It's Own". Is this too heavy to start with?

My mind feels clouded and confused when reading.
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>>8221326

Read it, then think about it, until it becomes essentially organic. Schopenhauer put it well, but I can't find the aphorism right now.

Basically, until you make a thought (or piece of knowledge) your own, it is essentially a prosthetic limb.

I've been very guilty of 'reading without thinking'. I recently read Beyond Good & Evil, and would be hard-pressed to tell you anything I remember.
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My sincere advice is to read Plato.
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If I'm feeling crazy I'll take notes on what I'm reading. Helps a little


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