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The bible is literature. How much of it is worth reading? Is it any good?
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Genesis, first half of Exodus, Kings, Judges, both Samuels, Esther, Job, Ecclesiastes

The Gospels, Romans, Acts, Revelation
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>>8211412
>the bible is literature
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>>8211416
>no Song of Songs

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>Can write good dialogue and have a good understanding of characterisation, plotting and themes
>Can write detailed plans of novels including extensive character notes and detailed plot outlines
>tfw bad prose

Should I just give up now?
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>>8211409
If you're seeking advice from elitists, you already know the answer.
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>>8211415
Elitists give better advice than sycophants.

The problem is that /lit/ is made up of elitists who for the most part don't read.
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>Can write good dialogue and have a good understanding of characterisation

these are your only strengths, from what you've said

>Can write detailed plans of novels including extensive character notes and detailed plot outlines

anyone can

>tfw bad prose

if your dialogue is actually good and not just not-cringey, you have potential. try minimal prose, like Erlend Loe or something. if it's terribly bad and not just bland, try plays instead.

"Go away, little hippy."
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Commentary on the dying counterculture movement in the 70's.
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>>8211392

That the Joker, an agent of non-teleological chaos, i.e. a hippie, would be superceded by Bane, an agent of a teleological simulacra of chaos.
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The story is all about how the freedom loving movement of the 60s was betrayed and exploited and turned into yet another tool of the powerful. "Go away little hippie" because he knows what the detective hasn't quote figured out yet. They lost.

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had a dream last nite

>enter dream
>im back at home
>me and my father and lingering people in background
>my father is bringing noam chomsky over for a drink and dinner etc
>apparently theyre friends from college days even though (theyre not)
>noam chomsky comes over
>everybody starts eating and drinking and noam chomsky stares at me for a long while

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staring picture here
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Intense
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a quick psychoanalysis reveals you just want ol' noam's cock in your bum, my dear boy

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I don't get it.
Why was Yash such a slut
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because Pynchon padded the novel with his personal erotic writings under the guise of 'maximalism' so he could beat DFW's 1079 page count
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Pynchons my fav writer for sure because my fav thing in books is goofs, gags, jokes and rambunctious behavior, and his books are full to the brim of it. Every novel is like one of those novelty snake cans, you open the book & POP you get a face fulla snakes and you fall back cackling. The mad mind, the crack genius, to do it! and then you think hmmm whats he gonna do next, this trickster, and you pick the book back up and BZZZZZZZZZZ you get a shock and Hahahahahah you've been pranked again by the old pynchmeister, that card. "Did that Pynch?" he says, laughing...
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>>8211354
I like this pasta

Don't have room to save it anywhere though

I wish Pynchon played VtMB and wrote a book about it.

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What are some books about/with the aesthetic of feeling alone, even among company?
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Suttree
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No Longer Human, it's the entire subject of the novel.
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>>8211318
Catcher in the Rye

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my diary desu
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Anyone read this? If so, what do you think of it?
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>>8211308
I read it at 16 and was scared to death of being caught reading it. I thouhgt the ending was pretty soap opera tier. I was very closeted myself so I could definitely relate to the protagonist, even if he was an unpleasant character.
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>>8211308
the ending soap opera tier? how's that?
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it was gay

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>Have a brilliant idea
>Discover someone else has already done it
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You didn't even have the idea, you just heard it somewhere previously and thought it original
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>>8211241

You are silly
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>Have a brilliant for a thread:
>>Have a brilliant idea
>>Discover someone else has already done it
>Discover someone else has already done it

Fuck you, OP.

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>the crossing
>All the pretty horses
>Cities of the plain
>Do androids dream of electric sheep
>Suttree
>Life and times of Michael k
>Underworld
>A tale of two cities
>Nicholas Nickleby
>Wuthering heights
>Gravity's rainbow

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WOAH IS THAT AN IMAGE OF NONE OTHER THAN PEP-PAY THE FROG? IVE SEEN SO MANY FUNNY PICS OF HIM ON TWITTER AND FACEBOOK. THANKS FOR THE SHARE @8211181.
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>>8211181
If you honestly thought those were all dull then you just have no business reading.
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Giles Goat Boy
Middlemarch
The Magic Mountain
2666
The Golden Bowl
Pride and Prejudice

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How do I into logic?
I'm looking for book suggestions that teach basic logical thinking and/or symbolic logic.
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>>8211163
Sipser's book, while a comp sci book, has plenty material on logic.
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>>8211163
The book is called logic primer. Its intro level
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>>8211163
W2C that robe famalam?

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C U C K
U
C
K
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Nah it's true
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This is a poor post, almost dirt poor.
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>If you give her a smile, she'lol give you her heart.

if only... ;_;

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Discuss the idea of the Ubermensch?
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Nietzsche was a good guy.

All those with tragic insight are not so far from becoming Ubermensch. The only difficulty being maintaining buoyancy in a world such as this one.
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To literally WORSHIP Nietzsche. He didnt want us young, budding philosophers to do this, but He also wants us to THINK FOR OURSELVES!
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It is to meld the unconscious and the conscious via experimentation and inquiries of lucid dreams. But to be used for right, not wrong.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/focus-forgiveness/201307/conscious-the-unconscious

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>used to read all the time as a kid/young teenager
>started playing video games and forgot reading existed for nearly a decade
>trying to get back into it
>have so much trouble focusing, keep taking out books from the library and then returning them after only reading a few chapters

>suddenly it hits me
>the faster you're getting through the book, as in turning the pages, the more...
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>thinks he is depriving people with disabilities access to books

Look in the mirror OP...
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>>8211110
kek

OP: get an e-reader and use large font size you _you_
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>>8211086
from what I'm seeing, you're using those books as intended :^)

What books would you say pervert your mind to the furthest possible extent of perversion, breaking beyond the idea that perversion can only be a sexual act, there's obviously different ways of perversion.
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Batailles' Story of the eye
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>>8211071
calm down, they're just books
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>>8211188
I've heard that one before. I actually felt great comfort when I read this book, it was relaxing and it felt like I was floating through a dream. I know it sounds weird but I actually put it down half way through because I was afraid that it would stop feeling like a dream and I wanted to come back to it another time to really savor it. i don't think that there's really anything that corrupting about it, it didn't have especially disturbing content, it just had a bunch of piss sex, and believe me...
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CAN WE MAKE ANOTHER TOP 100 CHART FOR 2016 I'M RUNNING OUT OF BOOKS TO READ

FUUUUUUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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>reading books
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>>8211025
yo seriously bump. this time the only votes that count towards new list can be for books not on last year's list. it's time to rebel against reading the same old shit.
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>>8211025
The Vegetarian by Han King. G

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Guys what the fuck does this mean exactly -
"Where there are ends distinct from the actions the results are by nature superior to the activities"
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your actions should have a purpose
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>>8210968

Can you explain how you got that?
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>>8210971
"the ends" in the original is telos, so it can mean purpose here. making the end distinct from the actions means the actions themselves shouldn't be the end (i.e eating for the sake of eating). so when you do something with a purpose the results will be better than if you just did something willy-nilly.

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hey /lit/ I need your help

I accidentally 1079 pages of Infinite Jest

what should I do...is this dangerous ?
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>>8210888
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
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>>8210888
YOU ARE FUNNY OP HAVE PEOPLE TOLD YOU THAT YOURE FUNNY BEFORE
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>>8210888
I AM NOT EVEN KIDDING THIS LITERALLY LEGITIMATELY MADE ME KEK GOOD JOB KIND SIR

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Yo guys, I've been on a major Star Wars kick recently and have gotten pretty interested in the EU. Can anybody make any suggestions about where to start? There's so much EU content and I've there's a lot of shit you need to dig through to find the pearls
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Thrawn Trilogy is generally acknowledged as the best I think

99.999999% of the EU is complete ass though
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>>8210878
How much have you read?
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>>8210878
Thrawn trilogy as actually kind of ass writing-wise.

I recommend Wraith Squadron (Rogue Squadron should technically be read first, but Stackpole is a hard sell and Allston is generally more engaging), Stover's Shatterpoint and RotS novelisation (single-handedly redeems the flick), Luceno's Plagueis, and Jeter's Bounty Hunter Wars trilogy.

What do you learn from studying English in university that you don't from reading on your own?

I like reading (mostly modern and contemporary novels), but the requirements, essays, critical theory, etc. that you deal with seem like a pain in the ass.
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>>8210870
Critical theory will make you a better reader and writer by dispelling normie illusions about authenticity, talent, (self-) expression, etc. It will also change the way you read, for example, Eliot's objective correlative may change your attitude toward literary unity.

Essays make you a better writer. Practice makes you a better writer. Requirements make you read good things you would otherwise have skipped, but requirements won't make you enjoy those things.
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this image makes me want to /r9k/ myself
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>>8210870
how to write about what you read

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This has to be the single most enjoyable piece of ancient work that I've read. Pure style.
When I was younger I didn't appreciate it as much and thought it was rather boring, but after re-reading it in Latin I must say nearly every paragraph is precious in it own way.

>that badass yet careful diplomacy
>that actually surprisingly civilized Roman mindset, as opposed to 'decadence' of some imperial courts we're learned to imagine for some reason and apply to ALL of Rome
>those...
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the man was a brute, stop fetishizing him
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>>8210787
Yes, yes, Caesar, you've won the war, people favor you
>HOWEVER
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Is his other stuff equally good?

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>83 years old
>retired from writing
hell be fine
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Old people die anon.

They're already quite aware of this, mind you.
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why does he have an extra testicle on his neck?
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>>8210819
He's a ballchinian.

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Let's talk about this bastard. What's your favorite novel? How well did Bela Tarr transpose Satantango and Melancholy of Resistance to film?
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War and War is my favorite of his, because Korin is such a wonderful character, and because the story transfers into our own world.

http://www.warandwar.com/

I thought that the ending of Satantango was somewhat contrived, but I guess that was the point. The centerpiece of that novel is compelling and haunting. Also, Bela Tarr did a wonderful job of capturing the momentum and place of the narrative.

I enjoy his writing immensely, but I've always felt like I was waiting for him to write something with a greater purpose. Maybe Seiobo is that book, I've'nt...
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>>8210704

>Seiobo There Below

The only novel of his I've read actually
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satantango book was better than movie. werckmeister harmonies was better than book

Why is reading with no purpose even a thing? I forget almost literally everything I read, probably because I read for the sake of reading, so I'm not called a pleb for not reading.

>inb4 muh human condition

LMAO, what a joke. Art should be entertainibg. Anyone who says otherwise is trying to guilt people in to reading their shitty boring self indulgent art or trying to seem like an intellectual by worshiping someone else's boring art.
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>>8210667
What you find boring may be entertaining to others.
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I read to both better myself and be entertained.
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>>8210667
if you actually think ALL art should be entertaining, kill yourself pleb.

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Lit majors like to circle jerk about about the superiority of being well read in works of "high literary merit"

But at the end of the day "high" literature is a horrible way of conveying ideas compared to the alternative methods of conveying that information

Film is more accessible and more effective at reaching a large audience

Logic/science creates less fallible themes since it does not leverage emotional attachment to characters to convey a particular idea or set of ideas

The conclusion? Literature is a shitty circle jerk.
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I'm thinking about spirals, you?
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do you know any actual lit majors? academia is filled with postmoderns who reject the idea that the classics are so called due to an intrinsic literary merit
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>The conclusion? This is a shitty bait post.

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I just discovered I'm not naturally gifted towards the art (ENTJ).

Acording to such horoscope, my best shot is to become an engineer, also programmer is my best shot.

But I still want to become a writer but I suck at art.
I guess I could make in college an AI to write a novel based on parameters I put and have it write in a certain style.

It's even possible to do that and get it published?

Can I still make my dream come true even if I'm not talented for the arts?
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From this post alone I can tell you're not gonna make it.
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>>8210659
This. If you really want it, you'll find a way and not ask 4chan to validate your "dream."
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>>8210664
>>8210659
I'm asking if I can publish a novel written by an AI.

Or if you know about such thing.

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>> be a midget hated by your father
>> no lands given to you because you're midget and a disgrace to the family

>> given the opportunity to claim the crumbling north if you can impregnate random bitch
>> pass on the opportunity of a lifetime to be rule half of the kingdom because "muh morals"

Is tyrion the biggest pussy in the history of ASOIAF?
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>DAE rape is cool
>le naive moral anti-realism XDDD
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>>8210619
>wanting your son to suffer the midget fate
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>>8210632
He's got recessive dwarfism, since dwarfism is a dominant trait. Both his parents were normal, so its highly likely his parents wouldn't be midgets

And his grand children for the most part wouldn't be either so long as they didn't inbreed

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What are some good Vietnam War Memoirs? Firsthand accounts from people who were there.
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graham greene is said to be good
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not a memoir per se, but The Things They Carried is a good book about the experience of Vietnam-era soldiers.
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>>8210532
I've already read that one. It was pretty good, though. Thanks anyway.

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Alright senpai, school me:
I'm looking for entry level books about Japanese philosophy - not necessarily in the way I would look at schools of philosophy in the west, but I'm more talking about what inspired the thing we in the west call "the Japanese way of life", if that makes any sense.

I'm sure that feudalist tradition plays a huge role in it, which is why I think I should check out Musashi's Five Rings? Maybe Bushido?
Or is that putting the cart before the horse, and I should look at zen buddhism? If so, what is a good entry level...
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>>8210280
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zen_at_War
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>>8210280

>Honour famiry
>Obey famiry
>Honour tradition
>Respect auforitee
>Practice rites
>Because junzi (or equivalent Japanese term)
>Obtain government position

Congratulations, I have just summarized East Asian authority for you.
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>>8210286
That looks pretty great, thanks!

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Tell lit the aphorisms you made up and are proud of but could never say irl because you'd be seen as tryhard and pretentious.

>Play is the highest form of learning.
>All Philosophy begins and ends at Stirner. The wisest man moves the least.
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you are proud of that shit?

what a sad life
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people come up with the craziest reasons to justify being a lazy shit
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To live is to fight despair, to fight death.


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