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Is poetry fiction or non fiction?
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>>8758639
What's the poem about?
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>>8758639
those are prose genres and prose falls under poetry as a genre.
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is a non fiction poem possible?

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>2017
>still no Philosopher King

was Plato, dare I say it, wrong?
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>>8758603
In regards to Utopia, yeah.

Western society allowed idiots too many rights and privileges, and therefore a perfect society is unattainable.
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>>8758603
>>8758609
We have Trump now, cucks
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>>8758611
Exactly my point.

Modern universities are corrupt pieces of a corrupt system. Is there any way to succeed in modern life both economically and intelectually without going to a university?
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>>8758530
Learn a trade and join a large company and rise in the ranks.
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>>8758530

be so outstanding at whatever you do to the point that your work speaks louder than your lack of credentials.

its very possible but you have to be stupid lucky if youre not already exceptional. and chances are, youre not.
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>>8758530
try the redpill

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Fantasy
>Beginner's Guide to Fantasy:
>https://i.imgur.com/fOGNfWK.jpg
>Selected:
>https://i.imgur.com/r688cPe.jpg
>General:
>https://i.imgur.com/igBYngL.jpg
>Flowchart:
>https://i.imgur.com/uykqKJn.jpg

Science Fiction
>Selected:
>https://i.imgur.com/A96mTQX.jpg

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failure of a man who wanted to be wonderful at math but is now suicidal here

Give me some good math/science intensive books please
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>>8758510
That's an ugly fucking picture, fuck you.
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Make charts great again

>>8758520
Greg Egan's stuff might be worth a look

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I recall at some point, maybe in Daybreak, Nietzsche saying that he for a long time entertained the thought that the philosopher is a symptom of decadence. That philosophy itself, which originates in ancient Greece, was a sign that we were falling into decadence, and despite how great the Greeks were, they are something that should be overcome.

It's interesting, isn't it? For those who have actually read enough philosophical texts to know exactly how much power they have, isn't it a little breathtaking to think that it is all really born of a disease of...
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>>8758507
You don't sound like you've spend very long on this whole 'thinking' lark.
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>>8758523
Elaborate. Note I'm partially playing devil's advocate just to strike a conversation.
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>>8758507
I feel some people spend so much energy thinking as a symptom of feeling weak and not wanting to take action. Thinking isnt as much of a cause of not taking action, instead it is consecuence of fear. But thats just my opinion

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What are some good books on the military-industrial complex and war economy?
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>>8758498
"The History of History" by History
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>>8758601
Forward by Past
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>>8758498
looks like the death star battle

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Who does he hate Buddhism and Taoism?
Is it because they're not mass murdering ideologies who chase beautiful fairytales?
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>>8758496
That's it, I'm a Nazi now

Praise KEK!
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>>8758496
What's wrong with fairytales? Fairytales can be true. Fairytales can be more true than the other shit we buy as 'reality'.
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>>8758521
Ash my favorite Catholic *sniff* theologist -- Chesterton -- said *tugs shirt* "fairy tales are more than true: not because they tell us that dragons exist, but because they tell us that dragons can be beaten" *sniff*

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What i should expect with this book?
What is this about?
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He rapes his sister pheobe.
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Ulysses in New York City t b h
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>>8758458
It's the kind of book that -- when you've read about 20 'serious' novels -- you'll call shit because you now think that you've become patrician and remember reading it in high school.

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what the fuck did i just read
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ripoff of the three amigos
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CAFE CON LECHE
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>>8758421
instructions on doing a captcha
you thought it was banal and predictable

What was this guy's deal? Was he a cuck?
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>>8758376
Yes.
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>>8758376
>thinking of everything in terms of "cucks"
Maybe take a vacation from /r9k/
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>>8758402
‘Dark Virgin,’ said the hairy Youth, ‘thy father stern, abhorr’d,
Rivets my tenfold chains, while still on high my spirit soars;
Sometimes an eagle screaming in the sky, sometimes a lion
Stalking upon the mountains, and sometimes a whale, I lash
The raging fathomless abyss; anon a serpent folding
Around the pillars of Urthona, and round thy dark limbs
On the Canadian wilds I fold; feeble my spirit folds;
For chain’d beneath I rend these caverns: when thou bringest food
I howl...
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What are his best books? Is he worth reading?
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Wow, Julian is aging badly. Must be all the booze.
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>>8758302
What do you mean?
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>>8758305
Ricky still look young, i mean, he looks ok at least.

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Could someone explain teleology to me?
I mean, how does one tell what any given object's telos is? Say, the telos of a rotten tooth?
being Socratic here there's more to come
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There isn't a telos of a rotten tooth, a tooth rotting is the failing of a tooth to fulfill its telos.
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>>8758442
Does the rotten tooth lack a telos, or is it merely failing to fulfil its telos?
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>>8758495
it cant very well fail if it doesnt have one, can it

just read the definition online it's very clear

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>tfw too sincere for this irony-saturated modern culture

Anyone else know this feel? Are there any books where a romantic character copes with the nature of ironic post-modern consumer and social media culture?
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>>8758240
You should write one
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>>8758240
Have you tried the /pol/ redpill? We're recruiting and looking to re-establish a time before degeneracy and the things you describe; ideally a world akin to the '50s with traditional gender roles and racial segregation.
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>>8758240
>self identified sincerity

Go to hell you fucking huckster

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Does lit appreciate Donna Tart?
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more like Donna Shag, am i rite? ;D
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>>8758167
Looks like the hot girl from Twin Peaks desu
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>>8758203
had a hip girlfriend once buy me the 80s playboy she was on the cover of because id always talk about how big a crush i had on her

>>8758167
literally who

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I'm about to start reading the Illiad. I have the Barnes and Noble Classics translation but my last translation from them was garbage trash. Would anyone recommend a specific translation of the Illiad?
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Post the translator's name...
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>>8758144
Excuse the 4 pixel image I was provided

Ennis Rees is the translator
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Pretty much most people agree Robert Fagles has the best translation of the Illiad for first time readers. If you want a more stylistic translation there are others but Fagles is pretty solid overall.

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ITT: Underrated authors
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>>8758086
wtf I love Walt Whitman
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did willy nelson write a book?
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>>8758102
>>8758105
rude

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What's his endgame?
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>>8758076
A white nationalist world, where women return to the kitchen and we shall all prosper among our white brethren
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>>8758076
Creating a global Shanghai where everyone is a mentally frazzled azn tranny hooker with cybernetic implants, leading to the eventual total annihilation of the human race.
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>>8758076
>nick land
>endgame

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Is poetry only worthy of reading if its in its original language (non translated)?
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>>8758045
depends on what you want to gain from it
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"Poetry" is too broad of a descriptor to give a proper answer to this question. It depends on the type of poetry.
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>>8758050
Aesthetic delight from prose and the power of its message or motif.
>>8758053
What kind would be ok with translations and what kind not?

who is the arthur rimbaud of prose?
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I got a whole ball of that fucking shit in the goddamn fridge, man.

Fuck it. I'm eating it.
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>>8758021
me too m8
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>milky smooth home made mozzarella
>just made, still soaked and dripping with water
>fresh sliced home garden tomato
>crisp romaine lettuce with light olive oil and oregano on top
I had a stomache ache a minute ago, now I'm fucking hungry. Thanks OP

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If you guys like bookworm and have never read any mcelroy but keep hearing about him on here check this interview out. Found out about it today
http://www.kcrw.com/news-culture/shows/bookworm/joseph-mcelroy-part-1-of-2
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>>8757982
Is he redpilled?
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>>8757997
Thats an understatement.
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>>8757982
This is really great, thanks a lot.

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Turns out it's coming out as 2 hours and then some flick. Any opinions on the novel? I hear it's fairly short.
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>>8757978
Get out Reeeeeeee
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>>8757978
Jesus Christ did you even check to see if there wasn't another thread on the exact same topic. DELETE THIS!
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>>8758027
>>8758438
take your meds, your sperg is showing.

>>8757978
check the catalog

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this i kind of a request, but I'll have to do a calligraphic poster tomorrow in design class and I'm looking for a good quote to put in type.

The only ones I find seem too cheesy or not fitting, can u help me out?
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"I snorted a whole tube of wasabi once... totally fucked me up."
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>>8757915
>[quotation that I am desperate gives you the impression that I have depth]
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Bronze by gold heard the hoofirons, steelyringing imperthnthn thnthnthn

in our times, is poetry still a thing?
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>in our times
>is poetry still a thing?

Poetry? That timeless immateriality? Sure
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Sort of. In academic circles it's still a thing. Outside of that, not as much as it used to be. I'm lucky enough to live in a town with two universities, so there are regular poetry readings and "famous" poets come to town for readings and Q&As.

But for the general population, the only exposure they get to poetry is through song lyrics. I guess in a broader sense songwriters - or lyricists - are the modern poets.

So bow down before our new Poet Laureates, Kanye and Lady Gaga!

But...
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>>8759332
poetry in the sense tarkovsky used that word

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What are your feelings about Stephen King?

Feel free to leave really long answers
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>>8757868
He has a few very good books. Has a lot of shitty ones.

Made a decent living for himself.
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>>8757871
Which ones do you consider to be really good then?
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Eh, IT is pretty weird and creepy, he was obviously on a shit ton of drugs when he wrote it. Thats about it, everything else he did is pretty meh and he only has like 4 or 5 characters essentialy

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What's the difference between poems and poetry?
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Poetry is the art, poems are the medium.
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>>8757841
but... medium is the art
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>>8757846
A finished painting is not the process of painting.

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was the civil war /lit/?
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>>8757818
It was more /pol/
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The Spanish one, yeah
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>>8757818
I hope there's soon a new one so we can separate from the degenerate liberals and women-worship.

THE SOUTH SHALL RISE AGAIN

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As 2016 draws to a close, share your recommended reads.

>Strong recommend
- “Kubrick” - Michael Herr
- “Hemingway in Love” - A.E Hochtner
- “The Autobiography of Malcolm X” - Alex Haley
- “When Breath Becomes Air” - Paul Kalanithi
- “By Any Means Necessary” - Spike Lee

>Recommend
- “Born Standing Up” - Steve Martin
- “Art Life and the Other Thing” - Ashleigh Wilson
- “Stanley Kubrick” - Vincent LoBrutto

>Don’t Recommend
-...
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>Strongly recommended
The Iliad, by Homer
Blood Meridian, by Cormac McCarthy
Journey to the End of the Night, by Louis-Ferdinand Céline
Our Lady of the Flowers, by Jean Genet

>Recommend
The Setting Sun, by Osamu Dazai
The Elementary Particles, by Michel Houellebecq
Augustus, by John Williams
The Melancholy of Resistance, by László Krasznahorkai

>Don't recommend
Imperial Bedrooms, by Bret Easton Ellis
Marthe, by J-K. Huysmans

Nice...
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>>8757849
>The Iliad, by Homer

Wow you're a brave one
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>>8757745

>Strong Recommend
Virginia Woolf - Orlando
Yukio Mishima - Temple of the Golden Pavilion
William Gass - The Tunnel

>Recommend
Phil Larkin - Jill
Han Kang - The Vegetarian

>Don't Recommend
Michel Houellebecq - The Elementary Particles
Herman Hesse - Siddhartha

Made a thread yesterday looking for journo books, got a couple of replies. Figured I'll broaden my topic a bit more.

How the fuck does one get started in journalism nowadays? My journalism/English professor's idea of journalistic success is writing think pieces at the New Yorker. I just feel like I've learned next to nothing about the craft of journalism, I realize that I just haven't had strong professors but I'd like to seek this info out on my own. I don't want to "work towards" something. I have my own site that I publish on,...
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>>8757727
Report facts not opinions and analysis like every other journalist out there nowadays. People are savvy on spin and don't like it.
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>>8757731
I do, when reporting. I do think investigative stuff (which I've began to dip my toe into) requires a more polemical tone, or else you fall into the pit of underselling the reality of the situation in the name of 'objectivity.'
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>>8757727
Go ask journalists how to get started today, it isn't easy for most journalists right now. Send them messages on social media or at their work email (Americans will be on holiday).

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Just got into reading and would like to expand my knowledge without the fantasy type genre. I'd like to expand my knowledge based on human circumstances and possibilities without diving too deep into freudian and hawkings style brain fuckery. Anyone have any suggestions for books other then
>1984
>Brave new world
>We

Any help would be appreciate
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crime and punishment
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>>8757675
Dostoyevsky
Woolf
Faulkner
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>>8757675
lost generation is good. Hemmingway, Fitzgerald, Dos Passos.

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Why in the fuck is it impossible to find this book for under $30 anywhere? This is actually angering me
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Because the copies that they printed are all the copies there are, because not a lot of people in the world is interested in the book and the ones that are interested are interested enough to pay that and more.

I'm angered myself too, but what can we do against the market?
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The amount of time you'll spend reading it will more than justify that price. Unless, of course, you just want it for your shelf.
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>>8757635
Thanks for the Econ 101 explanation, I was hoping I could get an answer more substantive than "Supply and Demand" though, because if you ask me the pricing is way too high on the supply curve to be justified considering its demand.


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