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Share life lessons
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>>8735303
Never, ever fall in love with a lady of the night.
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>>8735303
You cannot refute nihilism, so just learn to live with it
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If you actually wrote instead of shitposting on /lit/, you'd probably be published by now.

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So /lit/ I recently started the idea to read at least one book from each side of the political compass. I'm almost done with David D. Friedman's: The Machinery of Freedom, however, due to my lackluster knowledge on politics, I don't know what to read for the 3 other sides, Liberal (Green), Communism (Red), and Conservatism (Blue). Do you guys have any ideas?
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>authoritarian left
Marx - Capital
>authoritarian right
Sowell - Basic Economics
>libertarian left (=/= liberalism)
Bakunin - Statism and Anarchy
>authoritarian right
Rothbard - Anatomy of the State

BONUS ROUND:
>classical liberalism
Smith - The Wealth of Nations
>neoliberalism
Rawls - A Theory of Justice
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>>8735275
1984 can fit anarchist (center or center-libertarian) since it is anti-statist but not necessarily alligned
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Trump is supposedly authoritarian right, but his first move was libcap. Will he follow up with a replacement?

Anyone on here read Antigone and if so how do you feel about Antigone's transgression of the law being motivated and justified by motive of 'honor' and beliving her will lies in accordance with laws higher than institutional ones. Do you think this type of motive has resonance with contemporary lit? I feel most of today's themes and motives are more concerned with the modern idea of the man/woman that is deeply conflicted with it's own moral codes. Where are the characters you feel are have a strong moral code and are bound to it?
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>>8735104
Read Lacan's seminar on "the splendour of Antigone"
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>>8735112
ty for the reference anon, will check it out
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>>8735112
>>8735149
Don't. Lacan is severely limited in his analysis because of his inability to address sexuality and incest. They are taboos for him that he avoids to the failure of his criticism. Read Antigones claim by Judith Butler for a good analysis that also challenges Lacans understanding of the text.

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Are his novels worth reading?
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>>8735063
No, but then a lot of stuff is more not worth reading
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>>8735063
If you want grittiness you can find a lot better
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>>8735063
Phony poser

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What are some /lit/ professions?
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>>8735008
being a soulless lawyer
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Literary Agent kiddo
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author

Why do war and tragedy make the best stories?
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>>8734979
Best for whom?
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Conflict
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>>8734994
Story lovers.

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Who are the best contemporary authors?

Why don't we talk about new writers here?
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>>8734882
John Green
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>>8734882
Delillo, Roth, McCarthy, Memechon

t. Harold Bloom
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>>8734887
ebin

But seriously, how can you consider yourself /lit/ if you only read the classics?

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Anyone have any favorite passages from Joyce? I found this bit from Oxen of the Sun sublime:

>The sky teal, aquaberry diamond grill. The lava steel Versace slab on Palazzo heels.The house was built, far-fetched fortress, the porch lights look like Porsches on my Corvette. The Lear Jet, all glass on my clear jet. The green grass grows weed on my Chia Pet.
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>>8734807
>I did not know whether I would ever speak to her or not or, if I spoke to her, how I could tell her of my confused adoration. But my body was like a harp and her words and gestures were like fingers running upon the wires
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>>8734807
Mr Bloom walked behind the eyeless feet, a flatcut suit of herringbone tweed. Poor young fellow! How on earth did he know that van was there? Must have felt it. See things in their foreheads perhaps. Kind of sense of volume. Weight. Would he feel it if something was removed? Feel a gap. Queer idea of Dublin he must have, tapping his way round by the stones. Could he walk in a beeline if he hadn't that cane? Bloodless pious face like a fellow going in to be a priest.
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>Mounted
>the
>gunrest

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I'm about 20% in to Infinite Jest.

What even is the purpose of this book? Does it ever go anywhere? Should I just drop it and read something better instead?

Feel like I got memed into it.
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>>8734693

It doesn't get good until like 600 pages... trust us :^)
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>>8734693
>What even is the purpose of this book?

What even isn't the purpose of it?
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Yeah OP if you don't like the language or any of the characters or the way it's written then the book just isn't for you.

That being said I hated reading the parts with Hal

>people think money = hapiness lol

any books for this feal?
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unf
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>>8734674
man, just when the fleeting thought of sexuality vanishes from my mind, some big doughy tits assault me, held behind some tightening fabric, bulging from within like some ripe fruit or some shit, and then off imgo to look at biggumz zqueezums laid bare, and it never quite hits one like the initial seed, it might just be that clothes are sexier than the body. who gives a shit though, stop using tits to attract responses to your fucking shitty topics. if they can't survive with a picture of joyce staring at something,...
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>>8734761
>man, just when the fleeting thought of sexuality vanishes from my mind, some big doughy tits assault me, held behind some tightening fabric, bulging from within like some ripe fruit or some shit, and then off imgo to look at biggumz zqueezums laid bare, and it never quite hits one like the initial seed,
Damn unironically great post

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ITT: English Teacher Stories

>High School
>first three years take AP English classes
>teachers are all plebs
>(not lol he likes Tolstoy better than Dost what a pleb, I mean one of them only read YA and another straight out told us she dislikes reading)
>pass all classes by writing generic essays with info off of sparknotes
>senior year
>teacher is a...
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>>8734647
>that teacher who said Moby Dick was gay
>everyone thought you were gay for liking Moby Dick
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>Senior year
>English teacher is this Christian blonde girl with some cakes doing her 3rd year of teaching
>stare at her butt the entire year
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>>8734647
There's only two AP English clSAsees u mongo

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>John Green novels are taught in literature classes in the United States of America
It's not like he's the worst writer in the world, but this triggers me to no end. I don't want my tax dollars spent forcing kids to read his smut.
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what? you wanna live with stupid people??
why?? don't?? you?? want?? to?? spend?? tax??? on??/ school?????!!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!!?!
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>>8734622
What literature classes? Are these the reg classes in shitty areas where students have little motivation and intellect, so YA is what's necessary to get them to read? I don't think that's necessary a bad thing. Many young people just can't understand Faulkner, etc.. If this were in honors classes I would have an issue.

Also, is this in high school, middle school, elementary school, what?
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>>8734694
>The book has been challenged for content dealing with sexually explicit situations.[11] Two teachers at Depew High School near Buffalo, New York, used the book for eleventh grade instruction in 2008. A letter was sent to parents advising them that the book contained controversial content. An alternate reading selection was available for those opting out, and a small percentage of parents chose this option. Nevertheless, the book was challenged on the grounds that it is "pornographic"...
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Was he wrong in any way?
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>>8734564
If he is, he'll find out soon.
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>>8734564

I guess you could reasonably argue that there is something wrong with creating literally the shittiest ideology of all time (internet atheism).
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About what? The selfish gene?

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Her work is incredibly shallow
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>>8734494
Examples?
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No it isn't. I'll bet you haven't even read any of it.
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>>8734494

ITT: Authors that autists can never understand?

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Your thoughts? Will he finish the sixth book soon?
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I'm convinced he's stalling. He doesn't know how to end it satisfactorily. The new version on the TV show is the version that he was able to come up with, with a room full of people, without the bits that painted him into his current corner. He can't fix the books though, so he's just riding it out until he can't suspend disbelief anymore or he dies. And I think he has money on him dying first.

Then, some poor fuck will get saddled with finishing the damn thing. Not his problem.
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>>8734430
OH MY GOD, I'M SO OUTRAGED BY THIS

LET'S ALL ENGAGE IN A CIRCLE JERK AND VALIDATE EACH OTHER'S BELIEFS

lol what an idiot libcuck swine
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>>8734430
>Come January, he will become the worst president in American history
I love how shameless liberals are about their confirmation bias. They might as well just wear shirts that say "I'm a moron" on them; that would be an even more convenient red flag to disregard their opinion.

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What side are you on, anon? During the early years of my philosophical studies I sided with the empiricists; then I did a one-eighty and joined the ranks of their foes (a fairly rare move indeed, if my experience be representative).
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Thomism
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>become rationalist
>become autistic

>become empiricist
>become fedora

It's a lose lose
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>Spinoza vs Hume

Its really amazing how dumb people could be

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What is the symbolism behind Gregor Samsa turning into a vermin?
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Society made him a vermin, a situation which he can't escape anymore, his existence is challenged, it inevitably leads to his death.

Alternative meaning: Jew emo faggot literature, stop crying and man up.
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MOM
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"Im a faggot and my parents only love my sister and the money i can bring"

Or something like that

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Fill in the blanks:

God-tier= ________
High-tier=________
Mid-tier= _________
Overrated tier=______
Shit-tier=__________
Cancer-tier=________
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>>8733785
God-tier = Elizabeth Bishop
High-tier = WB Yeats
Mid-tier = Robert Frost
Overrated tier = Dante Alighieri
Shit-tier = Allen Ginsberg
Cancer-tier = Walt Whitman
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>>8733785
God-tier= Lucretius
High-tier= Vergil, Ovid
Mid-tier= Catullus
Overrated tier= Horace
Shit-tier= Statius
Cancer-tier= Silius Italicus
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>>8733800
Oh my god you fucking plebian

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How do I into scepticism?
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Start
with
the
Greeks
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>>8733212
Whichs works?
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>>8733209
/lit/ is just a demon trying to deceive you, do not believe their lies

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>tfw my Zizek video cravings have been satisfied in the past few days

I love watching videos of him talking about how I'm so much smarter than those other people. He's so right!
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>>8733106
I have unironically listened to hundreds if not thousands of hours of him speaking, I've probably heard him speak more than anyone else in my life even more than close family members
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post the link, bitch.
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>>8733114

This is one of the best posts I have read all year.

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I want to into Japanese literature. What are some must reads/good starting points?
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my anime desu
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This.
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Lets discuss Russian literature. How does one read the entire Russian canon?

>Dostoevsky.
>Tolstoy.
>Gogol.
>Turgenev.
>+ the many others - old and semi-recent.

What are the essential texts and authors? Then, once you cover the essentials what are the deeper cuts that real niggas read?

The obvious starter books would be Notes from Underground due to its length and simplicity, then you would progress...
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>>8732829
No. Fuck off, frog homo
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I study comp lit with a focus on Russian modernism at a top 20 American university.

Post the topic again without the racist frog meme and we'll talk.
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>>8732837
>>8732838

>Babby is upset by frogs.

What the fuck are you doing on this website?

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Write what's on your mind
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ideas being put together by imagination. this i cant access, i only have access to the end products, which are no longer 'on the mind'.

so, that cant be written. maybe you meant 'write what your are receiving from your mind'?
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>>8730459
holy shit that penguin is fat
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I want to go home and sleep but I'm at work and I have an essay to write

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Fantasy
>Beginner's Guide to Fantasy:
>https://i.imgur.com/fOGNfWK.jpg
>Selected:
>https://i.imgur.com/r688cPe.jpg
>General:
>https://i.imgur.com/igBYngL.jpg
>Flowchart:
>https://i.imgur.com/uykqKJn.jpg

Science Fiction
>Selected:
>https://i.imgur.com/A96mTQX.jpg

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>>8730368
There aren't any good low tech sci-fi books like Asimov.

>Hur dur muh techwank

What book is least like the culture?
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Hey, it's just a short fantasy story I wrote in the same spirit like fairy tales.

http://pastebin.com/raw/SqWDqpQp

read it, rate it, shit on it, critique it, give feedback, ignore it, do whatever you want. I just wished to finally post this.
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>>8730402
In which direction? Adam Roberts' Stone is a look at a society like the Culture being completely infantilizing to its humans, shows the dark side of letting yourself be pets to AI. John C. Wright's The Golden Age is like Culture but libertarian, with Minds that actually respect humans.

Or if you mean not any tech at all, just read post-apoc. Canticle for St. Leibowitz or Damnation Alley or Amtrak Wars, stuff like that.

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>turned down living by faith (religions)
>turned down living by desire (hedonism)
>turned down living by denial of desire (buddhism)
>turned down living by ego (stoicism)
>told us to to live "in accordance to nature"
So, he wants us to be like animals? What an ass.
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This chart will elucidate his philosophy, pleb.
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>>8729696
I misquoted "in accordance to nature".

Regardless, Zarasthura lives in the mountain observing goats and birds. He wants us to live like them.
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>>8729696
>>8729702
Not exactly like them, but as ignorant as them at least. According to him, the banality of self made idea isn't relevant as long as you like it.

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Completed 1984. What should I read next?
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1Q84
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>>8729658
>1Q84
Murakami?
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>>8729655
infinite jest

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Psychoanalysis thread. Last one was quite interesting, figured it was worth a second round. Talk about violence, desire, mimesis, stuff you've read, stuff you haven't read, how you would make your analyst's head explode, etc.

OP is basically a Girardfag. There was a good thread about de Maistre and the concept of sacrifice that 404'd before I could shit it up with RG quotes but if anons want to continue that then this could also be good.
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>>8727128
I think a decent amount of psychological difficulty may relate to the state of the environment more so inherently than the individual per say. I think if the ways of the world were better, people that are currently not 'ok' in ways, would be better. But then again, certainly, life itself has inherent challenges and difficulties. The desire for love, mate, companionship, and the uncertainty surrounding those decisions, as well as the potential for people to change over time, I presume is the source of some...
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>>8727272
I could not agree more. Well said, anon.

I would very much like to continue a career in analysis, but I do recognize it as being a more compromised profession now than I used to. As you say, if the ways of the world were better, people might not feel the need to speak to an analyst. So there is always going to be, in some sense, some inner sense of collusion between the analytical process and the world beyond, capitalism and the rest.

It's one of the reasons why reading broadly - for example pic...
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>>8727272
Full disclosure: I'm not a professional, just a guy with a marked intellectual bias and *maybe* a talent for this. By 'continue' all I can really mean is study and associate, and by 'career' even less than that. But maybe someday tho. Warrants mentioning. At the end of the day I'm just another anon.

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>inb4 Gatsby
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The Camus covers are pretty great.
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I like it.

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Who are some great writers you have never seen mentioned on /lit/?
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>>8723484
Leonid Andreyev and Nescio, never see them mentioned
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Gogol, Tišma
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>>8723484
Büchner.
I gave up on my diary when I read Lenz desu.

Why writing first draft on typewriter is so much funnier?
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>>8736767
cuz it goes clickety clackety voom zoom
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>>8736767
Because you can't backspace if you write autism
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I'd rather write on my Atari ST, thanks.


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