>No, he concluded, the great age of literature is past; the great age of literature was the Greek; the Elizabethan age was inferior in every respect to the Greek. In such ages men cherished a divine ambition which he might call La Gloire (he pronounced it Glawr, so that Orlando did not at first catch his meaning). Now all young writers were in the pay of the booksellers and poured out any trash that would sell. Shakespeare was the chief offender in this way and Shakespeare was already paying the penalty.
>>5581421 Said before, and it's worth repeating, because reasons https://warosu.org/lit/thread/5552355
>As far as reading poetry itself, don't limit yourself to one period or style. Read both online and offline poetry / literary journals (Conduit, Pank, Prairie Schooner, The New Megaphone, Hangman, etc., etc., etc. I could go on, etc.) Chapbooks are as sexy as Collected works and anthologies.
So yeah, I'd go to a library, check out classic shit, anthologies, and poetry/literary journals/reviews If you find a poet or poets that really excite you, then look for their books and continue reading, and so on and so forth
>I have trouble with lateral thinking and creative abstraction and I'm super insecure over it
Of course you are legitimately STEM. How could you not be? You're too much of a perfect encapsulation of the stereotypical ineptitude that we regularly see from them on this board to be anything otherwise, lol.
You might not be a reader but at least you're trying. And you know what? That is something that no one can ever take away from you.
>>5581680 Prose: words in their best order; poetry: the best words in the best order.
Poetry is really hard to do right so it's no wonder it's become unfashionable. Poetry isn't just random lineation or couplets, you need to have an ear for syllables, rhythm, and be economic with your language. It's a disciplined form, and no one is bothered to learn it, or people want to 'subvert the conventions' (without learning them first)
It takes more talent to write a 'leaves of grass' or 'paradise lost' than it takes to make a maximalist word salad tome like IJ.
>>5581825 and to wrote something like 'divine comedy' needed more talent that both 'leaves...' and 'paradise lost', also to write 'paradise lost' needed more talent than to write 'leaves...' guess why
i personally think leaves are ramblings which whitman being charismatic could make others read. can you imagine his poetry got popular if it had been discovered after his death as dickinson's? i cannot (though i don't especially appreciate dickinson either)
you're not going to find an easy way to get into a subject. look at a whole bunch of different poetry (the most celebrated authors usually have the most books on them in big groupings at the library...) and see if something clicks. then learn until you think you've learned everything and then learn some more
>>5581451 I think he is. He's not linguistically impenetrable, but he's so fucking good that he could get a novice really enthused with poetry. That he's great for a novice doesn't mean he's not great for more advanced readers too
>>5586147 On his defense, poetry is read best on the language it was originally written. There are several great translations out there, but they all lose something along the way, more so than in a novel
>>5581421 Not OP, but I came here to make essentially the same thread, so I'll piggy on this one.
How does one find poetry that speaks to them? I mean, as a culture, the average person is pretty well exposed to film/TV, prose, and music, as there exist very accessible and popular forms of this supported by large industries. So, it's very easy to find works in these mediums one would like. You know you like this movie, and you hear this one is similar, and you watch that, too.
Poetry seems to be something that doesn't have much of a popular-media aspect (aside from greeting cards and jingles), so, how does one who is uninitiated go on about finding what they like? I see people have suggested famous poets here, and I'll check them out, but how do find ways to come across stuff that is "up your alley"? I mean, you never see someone ask "how do I get into music, what artists are good," and then get a standard list of "check out The Beatles, Dylan, Nirvana, and then go from there."
Also, how do I read poetry critically, and determine what gives a poem its qualities, what makes it good or bad, and intellectualize what I like about it instead of just having vague impressions? Grade school never taught us anything beyond the basic tools of looking for uses of metaphors and allegories and symbolism and stuff. I mean, it's not just the word denotations that affect meaning in poetry, but which words are used and how. How do I figure out what a poet is using word sounds to create meaning, or word order, and all this other stuff that'd go over my head? Sometimes I think, "I like this poem, but I don't know why, and I have no idea what it even means." What's the next step after that?
I mean, with music (especially pop/rock), you tend to buy or download albums and sort of learn the songs so that you get to the point where you are so familiar, you know the lyrics or can anticipate what "part" comes next, even if you don't have the musical knowledge to know what the music being played is. Music is easy to internalize this way.
With films and prose, the plots and themes sort of stick in your mind.
With poetry... I don't know what I'm supposed to do. Do I memorize it? Read it over and over again until I "get" it? I mean, if I spent some hours reading a bunch of poems, I would probably forget most of them by the time I was done. How do you "internalize" them? Or is it useless to catalog them the same way we seem to intuitively do with other media, with poetry being more of an "in the moment" thing?
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