Auf den Marmorklippen (On the Marblecliffs) and Heliopolis are recommended, also Eumeswil and Gläserne Bienen (The Glass Bees). I'm not too sure how much of his stuff is translated into English, but all of those touch upon his politics and are great books either way. Also, get Strahlungen. Fair warning, sadly more than enough of his work is, sadly, not even in print in German anymore, so you might have a hard time finding it in English.
>>7225565 >>7225816 This. It's so fucking hard to find his books. In my country reprint are boycotted by publishing companies because he's supposedly too right-wing for their taste. Same with Borges's works.
>>7225565 Eumswil and On the Marble Cliffs is having a paperback reprint if his website is too be believed. I just picked up a copy of OtMC via alibris titled "On The Yarble Cliffs" for $35 so it is possible.
>>7226641 >Wrote books that castigate violent masses and totalitarianism >Appears on fringes of assassination attempt on Hitler >Many friends in Prussian military circles >Son arrested and assigned to a Penal unit where he dies for "subversive discussions" >Never showed sympathy for blood and soil ideology >Literary god in France
>>7226782 Noch wuchtet der Schatten des Ungeheuren über uns. Der gewaltigste der Kriege ist uns noch zu nahe, als daß wir ihn ganz überblicken, geschweige denn seinen Geist sichtbar auskristallisieren können. Eins hebt sich indes immer klarer aus der Flut der Erscheinungen: Die überragende Bedeutung der Materie. Der Krieg gipfelte in der Materialschlacht; Maschinen, Eisen und Sprengstoff waren seine Faktoren. Selbst der Mensch wurde als Material gewertet. Die Verbände wurden wieder und wieder an den Brennpunkten der Front zur Schlacke zerglüht, zurückgezogen und einem schematischen Gesundungsprozeß unterworfen. „Die Division ist reif für den Großkampf.“
>>7228561 So you're saying everyone who's served in the Wehrmacht during the Second World War is a Nazi? And what do you mean by "not hardcore enough", how and about what was Jünger "hardcore"? I'm genuinely curious.
>>7229043 I was just talking about the thinkers themselfs. The average german soldier was probably apathetic to the nazi regime, neither hate or that much enthusiasum. The said conservative-revolutionaries thinkers really did support it openly but also openly said it was the lesser evil compared to other techno-utopias like Capitalism and Communism.
Junger didn't like the technological-fetishism that the nazis had, especially the further development of weapons that dehumanized war and pain. He wanted true pain to be able to be felt again.
>>7229043 jünger was for example close friend of the first gestapo boss https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rudolf_Diels and openly admitted, for example in his diary of 1946, that after nazis took power the decision of their elitist conservative-revolutionaries was to "send in bright minds" into nazi party as a kind of corrective. but this was also the excuse of full blown nazis like heidegger.
>>7229496 >Heidegger held similar views to the NSDAP, but was certainly no full blown Nazi. Why not? He endorsed the NSDAP publicly in his lectures, his recently published notebooks were full of antisemitism, he was in the party (but then, who interested in a career wasn't), he didn't help Husserl when his career was destroyed (even purging the dedications to Husserl in his books),
>>7229508 >his recently published notebooks were full of antisemitism I'm curious, are they found online anywhere in either German or English? I mean, given his relationship with Arendt, I'm very surprised he'd be full-blown Nazi about Jews.
>>7229508 >Why not? Because he simply wasn't. I understand there's some overlap, but he wasn't a party tool like the aforementioned intellectuals. He was constantly running into trouble after his rectorship and never developed a positive relationship with the NSDAP after his self-dismissal. It's common knowledge the Gestapo were observing his courses and despite the ambiguous language he certainly wasn't a party promoter.
His antisemitism was certainly different from the NSDAP's racalist version. I mean, sleeping with a Jewess certainly isn't saying a lot for your belief in purity of the blood.
The other things are chalked up to careerism, something Schmitt is also guilty of.
>>7229125 >>7229514 It's not. Eumswil is the fulfillment of his political thought - the forest goer to the anarch. There's a different and this is illustrated in the new introduction in the Telos edition.
>>7229508 This is extremely reductive and narrow view of his time in the party, completely leaving out the veiled criticism in his lectures and writings. Not saying Heidegger doesn't have a stink about him but to legitimate calling him "a full blown nazi" is pure baloney, his work speaks for itself
>>7229522 one could make a case in the past for "careerism" or "influence of his antisemitic wife!", but the notebooks so far make it clear, that it was also his own private conviction. after leaks of original material, it appears that whole published lectures and speeches from 30s could have been systematically edited to make him appear less nazi and that he even invented some of the "complications" with nazis (for example instances of undeclared editing and wrong accounts were uncovered by Sidonie Kellerer). on top of that the publishing company Klostermann has not reacted very confidently after the allegations.
the new revelations also lend new credibility to the old indictment by karl löwith http://www.lacan.com/symptom/?p=55 >neither the aforementioned disdain or approval of his National Socialist credentials counts for much in itself. Heidegger’s decision for Hitler went far beyond simple agreement with the ideologyand program of the Party. >I was of the opinion that his partisanship for National Socialism lay in the essence of his philosophy. Heidegger agreed with me without reservation, and added that his concept of “historicity” was the basis of his political “engagement.” He also left no doubt about his belief in Hitler. (1936)
>>7229612 Mm, again, I think you fail to take into account that antisemitism doesn't necessarily equate to being a National Socialist, plenty of He Man Jew Haters were frowned upon by the NSDAP (the Junkers as a whole come to mind). Heidegger's antisemitism wasn't something you could say was the same expressed in the NSDAP programme.
>karl löwith Yeah, there are plenty of lesser philosophers (sorry, it's true) who try and take personal shots at Heidegger's political involvement. Doesn't make their assessment gospel.
Fact remains that you are reducing National Socialism as well as Heidgger's entire corpus of thought, and then mixing them over personal prejudice.
>>7229869 >why i already wrote, new evidence (notebooks, archive leaks, publisher reaction) lends new credibility to löwith and similar witness accounts of former students (you dont seem to understand the new situation and simply wrote that i shouldnt take löwith alone as gospel, well no shit)
>impact his truth a scumbag can still be a good philosopher. his work can be judged independently. i like adorno's take in "jargon of authenticity". but if more evidence appears that heidegger utilized nazi cant in his lectures during 30s, of course it can also devalue his philosophy as a whole, because it suddenly reveals a very plebby kernel.
>denazification courts i dont subscribe to naive realism
>>7229952 >you dont seem to understand the new situation I do understand the "new" sitaution, primarily though the Black Notebooks publication. This material is damning to some, but a National Socialist it does not make. Again, the notion of antisemitism isn't proprietary to the Nazi Party.
>it suddenly reveals a very plebby kernel. Possibly if one wants to take it that way, but it can also be an intellectual dealing with the world around him at a very volatile point in history and his career. Simply engaging with National Socialism isn't something I find abhorrent. Long time opponents of Heidegger will, of course, disagree and use this as further fodder. His engagement and subsequent dismissal provide intellectual grounds for thinking, rather than revulsion. Different strokes, I suppose, especially for leftists and conservatives.
>i dont subscribe to naive realism Okay, bully for you, but the evidence presented continues to suggest that while Heidegger's relationship was murky, it suggests nothing more than a career interest.
>>7229976 Okay, I'm done for the night. Going to have to agree to disagree on this one. Clearly I don't think antisemitism and minor, failed participation with lower NSDAP echelons makes one a true believer, nor do I find engagement with the ideas presented in National Socialism to be grounds for eternal philosophical damnation. I hope this thread returns to Jünger discussion.
>>7229513 The notebooks aren't a great source for his anti-Semitism; for that, you can see it quite plainly in some of his letters and in the testimonies of people close to him, all stuff that's been known since the late 80s. Pretty common regular stupid anti-Semitism, like belief in "World Jewry", that the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion is a legitimate account. He lacks the interest that the Nazis had in biologism, and seems to have held a view that biological Jews who accept German culture are perfectly German.
The anti-Semitism of the notebooks is a strange metaphysical critique, and his comments (what few there are, which is really the more shocking thing) offer the view that the metaphysics of Judaism is the source of the metaphysical problems that his "history of Being" sees in Christianity, Communism, Capitalism, etc. Basically, if you're looking for an account of his anti-Semitism, the notebooks are only suggestive, and the material is so narrowly focused on his philosophical interests as to just confound any attempt to account for concrete anti-Semitism.
>>7230391 >and seems to have held a view that biological Jews who accept German culture are perfectly German. in an unpublished lecture from 30s he literally says that jews would never adapt and are inherently unable to "understand" nature and german homeland like the natives, because they lack soul or something, inherently calculating hence inauthentic. google Sidonie Kellerer, who researched it last year or so. it's in line with the common "rootless cosmopolitan" and richard wagner's theme of hopelessly ungerman jews, nothing sophisticated or cryptic.
>and the material is so narrowly focused on his philosophical interests as to just confound any attempt to account for concrete anti-Semitism. could be said of previously published material, but facts have changed with in the latest one covering 42-48 (collected volumes #97) and contains some explicit hardcore shit (leading to resignation of Gunter Figal at heidegger association in beginning of this year)
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