All the votes have now been counted. Although now there are a number of ties on both of the lists which we will sort via this poll:
Remove the () and add a .
This tie breaking poll will be open until 23:59 (GMT) on the 27th of october.
If there are still some remaining ties then we will sort them out by counting the votes the tied authors got on the book list. For example: If Albert Camus and Ernest Hemingway are still tied when the poll is over, then I will count the number of votes their books got in the book poll and sort it out that way. If there are still ties after this then I will just flip a coin.
I have now found pictures for all the authors who are definitely going on the list. I will find the rest of the pictures when the poll closes. I am currently finding the first edition covers for all the books and I am about 1/3 done with that.
Then I'll create the infographic via Gimp. Which will hopefully be done this week. It all depends on how quick I am to learn how to use Gimp.
If you have any suggestions on how the infographic should look like, then please post your suggestions in the thread.
Love you /lit/ as always.
I remember when I was younger I always admired active forum members. Something about 20 years on the internet has made me despise people like you. Fuckin internet heroes in their own head. I hate you on the same level as MMO officers and applications, moderators that try to maintain a political "tone", people who type "first" on topics, whatever. Fact is I fucking hate you.
you're a douchebag. god forbid someone tries to do something interesting with this community. if you're too jaded, then what the fuck are you doing here? would you rather have another faces of lit thread? fuck, i hate people like you.
Why do you think that he's an illegitimate winner?
Sorry, I've already fixed it. This is just an old screencap.
Thanks, It's been a lot of fun doing this.
a group of people living in the same place or having a particular characteristic in common.
"Montreal's Italian community"
synonyms: group, section, body, company, set, circle, clique, coterie, ring, band, faction.
the condition of sharing or having certain attitudes and interests in common.
"the sense of community that organized religion can provide"
No one can provide solid proof, but he's a meme. It's easily inferred. It's like doing a poll on /o/ and the final result being that the best car of all time is a Miata. Or /ck/ and the best food ever being sweet sundae ramen. Suspect at the least.
>Something about 20 years on the internet has made me despise people like you.
Nigga, how old are you? If you detest the idea of internet communities and are such a condescending cunt, why don't you go to your senior bingo night instead of bothering people trying to create something for a community as volatile as 4chan? We need more people like the polling anon.
I'll fix it.
This project is eating up all my free time for now.
Are you not trolling? When I google the book all I found was some school textbook or something.
Why are you rolling?
Didn't know it was a part of the series. Thanks for pointing that out. Book of the New Sun has now got 9 votes instead of 8
Here is a link to the results:
https://docs.google () com/forms/d/1j6rKiTN2z8frw9xm1_i1Ei8uqpyf5Lj--sfPmZ6ldbo/viewanalytics?usp=form_confirm
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What's your opinion? Should we do a revote on the 9 votes books? Due to the fact that book of the new sun gained 1 vote because of a mistake I made.
You can help by posting ideas or pics of how you think the infographic should look and be like. What information should be present on it?
Hopefully I'll make the deadline.
I mainly read genre fiction for the last 12 years (I'm 20 now).
But I think I start discovering the beauty of language. It might sound strange but well build sentences feel so good while reading. Sometimes it's so good I have to put the book or poem away to think about it. It's not because of some great insight in phillosophy structures, but because of the mood I'm suddenly in, really dunno.
Since I'm German, poetry I read is exclusively written by Schiller and Heyse. Love them.
School related I had to go through Kafka and Goethe but I'm too dumb to understand them and I dislike them both.
I've read translations of the the obvious stuff like The Plague, 1984, Moby Dick, Measuring the World, Perfume (German, tho). Those are great.
Tried shakespear, had to laugh so much because the stories are ridiculous. Again I think I'm not smart enough to understand him, yet.
I can't enjoy most of the "bestseller" books shown in the front of book stores. Really boring, level of language is high school tier, not creative at all, no new ideas, characters are shallow. I drop them the moment I read a list of personality aspects, ie.
>Mr. Willingsborth was a well fed man with white, thin hair, an alcoholic red nose and could get angry very fast
Forgive my english skills, please, I hope you know what I mean.
Hope that sums it up.
Measuring the world and City of dreaming books are my favorites, I guess.
Thing is, almost none of the books I've read, and none of my favorites is what you would call "good". Books I would call my favorites aren't my first choice anymore. Night watch, Kingkiller chronicles and Lies of Locke Lamora were great books 3-4 years ago, but now I don't put these in the first place. Just can't enjoy them on the same level I used to anymore.
But that's the reason why I need some help with the start. I actually want to evolve.
Honestly just going by the top books here would seem like a good move. Just be sure to skip Pynchon, Joyce and Wallace since they are not something you'd necessary like. For one I dislike Pynchon and found Joyce to be more deserving of my attention so I postponed reading it until I got a hold of an anoted version. Wallace is a meme.
As for something you are familiar with (sff) try
Le Guin- Dispossessed
Wolfe- Book of the New Sun
Leiber- Lankhmar series
Dick- Man in the High Castle
Tolkien- Children of Hurin
Also maybe some Russians so
Dostoevsky- Notes from the Underground, Gambler
Gogol- Overcoat, Dead Souls
Tolstoy- Anna Karenina
Lermontov- Hero of our Time
Chekhov- Short stories
I'm done with the writers results. But there are still some ties that need to be broken. The ones that are colored purple and blue are the ones that need to be broken. And we'll break them by using the ancient technique of rolling. So everyone quote this post and roll. This post will break the first tie, which is between Dante Alighieri, Fernando Pessoa and Gabriel Garcia Marquez.
If the post ends in:
1, 2 or 3 then Dante wins.
4, 5 or 6 then Fernando wins.
7, 8 or 9 then Gabriel wins.
If 0 then no one wins and the next post to quote this post will decide. Does everyone understand?
The we'll work our way down the list.
Here's the final version of the writers list. All votes have been counted and all ties have been broken via poll or a random number generator. I'm going to do the same for the books and then tomorrow I'll start work on the infographic.
And here is the final list for the books. I'm going to sleep now. So good night /lit/ sleep tight. I'll be back here tomorrow and start work on the infographic.
>Charles Oshimi The Flowers of Evil
wait a minute
Rilke, H. Miller, and Dazai all behind Easton Ellis, Plath, Bradbury, R.R. Martin, Austen, Pratchett, Tao Lin, Alan Moore, Dick, Vonnegut, Tolkien, and Stephen King.
I hate you /lit/. Why did we allow any of you to vote?
Not that I have a problem with half of those authors, but a year and a half ago you had a worse list with Harry potter on it.
Also there has been an influx of plebs with the sff generals so you have part at fault with that.
Then that's where /lit/ should change. More discussion and spread of important, well-made literature, less time wasted on stupid meme-lit (not saying any of the aforementioned writers are memes, just in general).
We should quit discussing any literature and become more e/lit/ist.
We need more good trips, basically.
This board is largely American. Unless that changes we'll always have the likes of Gaiman, King, BEE, Martin and Vonnegut often mentioned. It's highly regarded there and people read them a lot.
I believe the poll question was phrased "Who are your favourite authors?" and "What are your favourite books?", not "Who do you think are the best authors ever?" etc. Maybe phrasing it the second way would get more serious literature up there.
What should the infographic look like? I was thinking of something like this
Here's a work in progress for the writers one (I know it say's top 100 books, but they'll essentially be the same. I've finished downscaling all the pictures to 160 X 240 and it takes some time to do that 100 times.
Some other suggestions would be nice then.
I think I'll keep the numbers
I feel like the vote count has to be there. Because they show much more than just the ranks of each book or author. The vote count shows how many users on /lit/ like each book and author.
It's just embarrassing for the board to have the 80-100 authors have like, 2 or 3 votes. It just looks like bullshit.
It would be another thing if this were a bigger board but it's a really small pool and around the end literally came to a dice roll. Leave the illusion of a big well read board.
Was his face stuck like this or something?
>Thomas Hardy, OM was an English novelist and poet. A Victorian realist in the tradition of George Eliot, he was influenced both in his novels and in his poetry by Romanticism, especially William Wordsworth.
Are you sure we are talking about the same person?
Here's the first somewhat completed version of the writers list. If you have any suggestions for alternative portraits to be used, then post them in the thread and I'll consider them. (I'd prefer if you could scale them to 160 x 240. Since that would save me some time rescaling every portrait posted)
We also have to decide on a color. I might make a poll for it. But I'm hoping that we can just decide it in the thread.
I'm off to sleep now. Good night /lit/
CHANGE CRANE'S PICTURE
USE THIS ONE
Almost all of the portraits are in black and white. There are only 17/100 portraits that are colored. So I was thinking of having all the portraits in black and white? How does that sound to you guys?
These things take time.
I've never done anything like this, that's the main reason. And I can't auto downscale all of the portraits, since most of them needed some cropping.
Something like this? Sorry for the shitty quality and everything. I just don't want to spend too much time on a first draft of a desgin.
Sounds great, you could tune them black-white in GIMP. Also try to use a layer to get this annoying grey out.
Red is fine, maybe a bit more brown mixed with it would look nice, but dunno.
Looking good. Have you decided on a font?
I'd recommend making the author's name white, and the number of votes in a light grey, so that they're readable but don't grab the eye as much as the names.
Pick a grey halfway between the background colour and white. Problem solved.
If you want to go for a dark grey, go slightly darker than you've already done, that's barely readable at the moment.
Finally, have you considered putting the first and last names on separate lines, to allow for a slightly larger font?
I Made the letters bigger and I made the grey a little bit darker. I left the color unchanged under Nabokov so you can see the difference.
Maybe a bit darker? that way you could have the names in white and the votes in light gray.
Vertical spacing is a little off too. Too much room b/n text and next row of heads. thanks for doing this.
I've finished the first completed version of the top 100 authors list. If you have any suggestion for changes then feel free to post them. Also point out mistakes if you find them, so I can fix them.
I'll try some changes to the background tomorrow.
Good night /lit/ I'll be back tomorrow and start work on the top 100 books infographic.
The only argument I've seen has been "it makes the lower tiers look less legitimate because the board is clearly not super well trafficked," but honestly I'm totally fine with that. We're a small enough "community" that 2 or 3 passionate fans of a given author affect the board's attitude toward that author, and that is totally cool and fine with me.
I get those who want the numbers removed, they can detract from the darker portraits and smaller names (maybe better in dark grey too?) and make up a completely wrong scale anyhow, as the votes show.
Removing the votes, though? Can't see any reason at all, aside from wanting to hide the fact that the bottom third have only 2-3 votes, which is a terrible reason.
Here is your argument.
This list is called "official" and should be taken seriously. But as an Anon who didn't vote I see this list and I can't take it that way.
See, for example, I like Richard Yates, and if I participated in your poll I would have voted for him.
With a bit luck in the after poll, he could have jumped straight to No. 65. That are 35 places with only a single vote!
One vote can change the outcome of your poll by more than 30%, one third!
I can't use a list that is that inaccurate.
>But it's a list for frequent /lit/ users not for you reddit pleb!
But /lit/ already knows the outcome of the poll. They don't need a reminder that RY got 2 votes. Hell you don't even need that list anymore but to show it to people who don't come here everyday. And for those users it would be far better if they didn't know the exact amount of votes.
As an alternative, you could scratch No. 25-100 and make a top 25 list, including the vote numbers. But I don't recommend that. Top 100 is way more impressive.
>I can't use a list that is that inaccurate.
The list perfectly captures the preferences of the people that voted, as it was intended to do. You didn't vote. The fact that it doesn't capture your preferences doesn't make it inaccurate.
You want to complain, complain intelligently about the sample size being too small (which it is). Your followup argument about the poll lacking utility is just stupid, since neither you nor I could have guessed the exact outcome of the poll before it was conducted.
>Your followup argument about the poll lacking utility is just stupid
I never said the poll was useless. I said the list is useless if it is only for "frequent /lit/ users." Because those users voted in the poll and do know the outcome now. They don't need a list.
People who don't lurk /lit/ that often need such a top 100 list.
What you're arguing is that the poll is useless (for the purposes you've stated). From there, displaying or not displaying the votes doesn't make it any less useless, it just informs or misinforms whoever looks at the chart. That doesn't even sound like a choice to me.
So, you don't want to impress people? You want to tell them the truth? But why making a "TOP HUNDRED LIST" then?
Why don't you make a top 25 list? Which would be more useful and handy?
Why don't you make a top 336 list? Which would be more informing?
Top 100 just combines the 2 negative attributes of both alternatives. It is unhandy and uninforming.
I tell you, scratch the vote count, keep the given list and put a link to the google docs poll in the lower left corner so everybody is happy.
What color should the infographic be?
I don't want to sound like a twat but I know I'd like if we had a different Brothers Karamazov cover. The one in the graphs is the P&V translations and those two are bloody butchers.
I'm going to post some more covers that I would prefer to what's currently on the chart. Up to you what you want to use Polling Anon.
For Lolita I would vote for either this one or the first edition.
Book of the New Sun is the cover I object to the most strongly. This would be my choice, although for some reason Wolfe always gets the worst fucking covers.
This is the first edition of Sirens of Titan. How can you not love that hilariously incorrect description.
I would vote this Iliad
Is the Avsey translation with getting to read the Brothers Karamazov again? I've got several translations of a lot of Dostoevsky's works because I unfortunately started with Garnett. What would you recommend for Demons?
Actually, how about this first page of a first edition as the Brothers Karamazov pic
I'm reading the Mcguire Demons at the moment and he may be the best Dostoevsky translator I've read. I read Avsey's The Idiot and it was better than P&V but a little loose and modern. I don't think he conveys Dostoevsky taut, neurotic style as well as Macguire, McDuff and Magarshack.
My last suggestions is that I really like this Anna Karenina cover
maybe consider switching the cover for the crying of lot 49 to this. It is ,IMO, a far better cover
>no longer human
good thing there wasn't a screening test to vote
>Make the background colour grey, because so it looks like I am a serious, intelligent adult who's mind works on a high logical level and isn't distracted by feelings.
I don't think I'll use orange. It was just an experiment.
To all of those wondering about the covers. The first editions have priority over others. Although some of the first edition covers are pretty ugly. Lolita's first edition for example is not very pretty. I also want to refrain from using title pages since they aren't the actual covers of the books, although I have made some exceptions.
I don't want to use a grey color for both the book list and the author list. I want it to be unique so you can see which list it is just from the thumbnail.
As I've said many times over: I've never done anything like this before.
Observe the typography, layout, how certain areas are highlighted, important areas are more visible than less important areas, etc.
Here's the first somewhat completed version of the books list. I'm not going to be making any major overhauls on lists, but feel free to post suggestions none the less.
The only thing that remains is to fix what need fixing on both of the lists and then I'll make a final thread when that is finished, so we can reach as much of the users as we can. Then when that thread dies, the Polling Anon will be no more.
If you want to make your own version of the list, then feel free to do so. I'm not going to redo everything now, not when I'm so close to finishing everything.
Thank you for everything /lit/ I love you
I'm maybe thinking of making a entry on the wiki regarding information on the poll (Vote count, duration of the poll, participation and such). Then I could remove the vote count from the infographic and hopefully make everyone happy. What do you guys think?
Anyway I'm off to sleep, I'll be back here sometime tomorrow to put the finishing touches to the infographics and make a final thread and then it's over.
Love you all.
>Good job on the Stirner but for pity's sake, do get some Joyce and Pynchon into you.
I read Dubliners and Crying. I have their other books on my list, but now I'm with Crime&Punishment.
Let me get this straight, here you can't understand how variations in reading habits, familiarity with the books, not to mention accessibility thereof, and taste, can lead to a difference of one less person, 20% less, four to five, referring to Invisible Cities as their favourite book, instead of If on a winter's night, on a mongolian brimmed hat enthusiasts' urbanism tips exchange platform? Really?
OP, what >>7293545 says here is key. When you make the graphic, don't phrase the title as you have done for the prelims ITT, phrase it (or include a footnote or something) to disambiguate these ideas.
count me out of your "community" with my years of reading for pleasure not polls. I'll stick with reading the books not ranking them like a sophomore does his one night stands.
yeah, the "my ideas are better than your ideas because i'm the one who speaks for you" dictatorships all that list wind up as invariably lead to stagnation where someone tells you "haven't you read the poll to make sure your opinion is popular?" not any free exchange of ideas
may I appeal to you to replace your Borges portrait with the portrait taken by Dianne Arbus? pic related. she's kind of a big deal in photo circles.
he's right. it was a good choice to convert all the pics to B&W so that it wasn't as taxing to the eye. However, making the background grey is MORE taxing to the eye; contrast is needed for ease of differentiation.
I liked the wine color, it made it look like one of those classy old leather-bound books. You might try actually pulling a red with the dropper tool from a pic of that type of book if you wanted to get fancy. my 2 cents.
I'm uploading every file related to the poll on to mega right now. It should be ready in 30-60 minutes.
Should it say /lit/'s 100 favourite books or something then?
I'm not gonna make any more polls for a long time. This project was a lot bigger than I anticipated and has taken a lot of my free time away from me.
Something like this?
I'm working on it
>Should it say /lit/'s 100 favourite books or something then?
eh, the little explanation below the title suffices, I guess
>Something like this?
I like it.
Thanks, OP. Good work.
I think I'm still going to use this one. But you can use that one if you want to. I put some the same text from the writers infographic under this one.
And now I'm going to make the final thread.
It's kind of a mystery to me why she is big. She doesn't really do anything interesting with composition, all she does is choose her subject matter well. She's more journalist than photographer imo.
I don't understand how a photographer being kind of a big deal in photo circles is supposed to be an argument in favour of getting a headshot out of this picture, in which JLB looks like he politely has no idea what he's supposed to be trying to do.