Now that all posters who haven't read the original meme trilogy are being permanently banned from /lit/ and redirected to /his/ (thanks Hiro), I think it's time to discuss which books should be in the second meme trilogy, so we can whittle down our userbase further. Thoughts?
Vollmann is intermittently great. His obsession with detailing thought and consciousness in grammar defying sentences sometimes leads him to valuing surface level emotion over depth. One wishes he knew when to turn off the page long sentences.
I think Melville, Camus, McCarthy, Faulkner, Cervantes, and Tolstoy are all too readable and relatively easily understandable to be meme trilogy material. But of course, that's just my opinion. My criteria are basically:
>hard to finish
>will make some people think it is the best novel ever written and some absolutely furious and convinced they've been rused by /lit/
All of the original meme trilogy fits this pretty well. Ideally, the second meme trilogy would be even longer, harder to read and even more divisive.
See, how pissed people are about 2666 is basically perfect evidence that it needs to be there.
>>hard to finish
>>will make some people think it is the best novel ever written and some absolutely furious and convinced they've been rused by /lit/
Uh, Moby Dick fits that perfectly.
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Moby-Dick is pretty overwhelmingly loved by everyone I know who reads, both in real life and online. The cetology stuff is weird but not as off-putting and aggravating as some of the stuff that say, Gaddis does. I know relatively few literate people who have actually gotten mad at Moby-Dick. Just my opinion, of course.
DeLillo is a good idea too.
The original trilogy is pretty heavily pomo too. I would probably call Ulysses a modernist novel, but it's not much like most modernist novels.
the space below these can be the 4th novel, perhaps
Ulysses, IJ, GR
Meme Trilogy 2
This seems good (Underworld, 2666, Recog)
This should be e/lit/e trilogy
Though I feel since your getting best novels of English, Spanish, Russian, maybe add a German (no clue) and French (Swann's Way) one and make the e/lit/e pentology.
hey maybe one of you senpais could help me out
I'm looking for books like:
Tree of Smoke
Zone by Mathias Enard
books that are:
multiple story lines
What is the correct order to read the meme trilogy in?
I went IJ > GR
(haven't read Ulysess yet)
Let's pick this, since it's on my shelf ready to be read.
I've already read 2666.
I don't really think you can pick this kind of thing, it has to arise naturally and everyone in this thread, myself included, is a massive faggot for acknowledging/participating in this meme meta-board horseshit. Tbh senpai.
I don't know enough about this one, will have to defer to others (as with everything, ultimately, of course). It's supposed to be like a German Finnegans Wake, right? For what it's worth I thought FW and Mason & Dixon don't belong on this one because Joyce and Pynchon have already been represented in the first trilogy, but anything on the level of Finnegans Wake should definitely be in the conversation.
I've never even heard of this one, sounds good and fucked up.
I don't think Eco or O'Brien are difficult to read at all, but that's just my opinion. Dunno what Petersburg is.
This is a good idea probably but maybe should be like an alt-SF trilogy? Dunno what else belongs on there, maybe the whole Gene Wolfe solar cycle.
probably ideally in order of publication but I read GR, then IJ, then Ulysses and I turned out fine.
Yeah I think there's something to be said for Moby-Dick, War & Peace and Don Quixote as a historically proven trilogy, one that pretty much everyone agrees are great and important books with lasting impact.
I haven't read Gaddis, but I have glanced some pages in the library and he's tough. DeLillo is pretty easy to read too. The meme trilogy has to be hard to understand (IJ isn't hard to read but DFW's autism is so prevalent it fits so well)
The Unnameable by Beckett is memey but it's not long enough. 2666 has memes peppered through it, I'd give it my vote.
/lit/ needs to talk about victorian lit more. Dickens is the most overlooked author on this board.
2666 is a meme. i started it, got through the first two parts, read the rest. it sucked. so much anti us themes, it's ridiculous. there are a few rare ideas in the novel, but it ends as something underwhelming and definitely not worth the read through all those pages.
I've always ignored it, but Im taking a class on it now and its really making me feel pleb.
This. The Third and Fifth parts of that book are by far the best. The first two parts are great too, my least favorite was the fourth, but even that didn't feel like something I had to "get through."
Can we put blatent philosophy in the MT2? I think Stirner is actually perfect.
Classics Trilogy (needs more discussion on the board):
Don Quijote, Moby-Dick, and & War Peace
Gravity's Rainbow, Infinite Jest, and Ulysses
Second Meme Trilogy:
2666, Women and Men?, ?
So many people saying Women and Men but when I started a thread on it earlier no one had read it. I'm game for it to be on a list so people look it out but would it not be better for widely read books to be on it at least ?
any edition of the meme trilogy should be modernism, post-modernism and some sort of non-post-modern movement, i don't want to stoop to saying postpostmodernism or metamodernism bc c'mon really but honestly meme trilogy Rd. 2:
>Underworld or Mason & Dixon
>2666 or Blood Meridian
i have instructions, started it years ago, it didn't gel. is it a worthwhile endeavor? I pretty much got the impression that levin just had a hard-on for super self-conscious DFW dialogue
the classics trilogy is solid
the meme trilogy 2 could be improved - not cohesive enough - they all seem to be from different worlds. 2666 is like a more recent infinite jest - known for being long and tough and strange but also has hipsters reading it. then women and men is a pretty obscure, out-of-print late '80s avant-garde novel. and then the recognitions is like classic late modernism. i think what held the original meme trilogy together is that the same person was likely to have these three books in mind as books they wanted to have read. everyone recognized they did make up a sort of trilogy, and the classics trilogy is the same thing, those are the three huge novels they show in cartoons when they want a big novel, they're archetypal.
on the other hand, though i say it could be improved, i dont know how i would improve it. it may be the best we can do.
random thought: the instructions and witz by joshua cohen may make 2/3rds of a jewish meme trilogy. dont know what the third book would be.
a naked singularity could go in a meme trilogy.
I thought it read super quickly given the length. Read it in under a week while I was working full-time. A lot of fun. It's basically just entertainment, though -- there's nothing very deep going on.
Why is everybody agreeing so unanimously to put War and Peace in the historical trilogy when Dostoevsky was just voted the board's favorite writer? It seems like The Brothers Karamazov should be there instead.
but anon, that's not the cover of
Well, now that meme trilogy 2 is agreed upon, what about 3? With this we have a trilogy of trilogies.
Hmmm. If the first is an assembly of literary movements and the second (pic related) is ridiculously esoteric, then I feel that the third should have some motif, too. Afterall, there's no point in stringing together three books without some common theme or structure.
this book triggers me. my old roommate was doing his masters on it, and kept saying 'but it's so deliberately structured, anon, you can't deny that it's the 21st century's most significant postmodernist text so far'.
Fuck Johnny Truant, what a horseshit book
Flame Alphabet didn't meme out as much as i thought it would. Ben marcus is a g tho
>Contemporary magical realist meme trilogy
2666 - Bolano
Ice Trilogy - Sorokin
Wizard of the Crow - Thiong'o
>Contemporary Proustian meme trilogy
My Struggle - Knausgaard
Neapolitan Novels - Ferrante
Lost Kingdom - Quignard
>The Magic Mountain or The Man Without Qualities
I think it's a nice parallel to the other meme trilogy. Musil or Mann would both be great, and certainly fits the criteria. Musil moreso, since no one has read him.
no questions asked, it's been getting discussed much more on here and rose a lot in the recent poll
>Mason & Dixon, Underworld or The Recognitions
post-modernism, probably shouldn't have pynchon again although he really does embody /lit's preferences on average and there doesn't seem to be enough delilo fandom here
>2666 or Blood Meridian
BM might not be long enough to be considered a meme book, I think 2666 fits perfectly for the "movement after post-modernism" slot
I could, but I dont think I should. Is there really a need for two new meme trilogies ?
I think we should embrace the (it doesnt necessary has to be the one pictured) new trilogy as we did with the old one
let's get born in it
molded by it
but ye if there is a need for a classic trilogy I could do that easily
god 2666 is awful. I just finished book 1 and literally nothing happened. There was no pynchonesque fun. There was no sincerity, there was no verbosity. I just read like 200 pages of literally nothing happening.
>he saw a very tall man walk into the bar
>maybe its archimboldi
>it's not archimboldi
E P I C
Anyone who likes this book has inculcated so much postmodern white guy ennui that they have literally stopped being human. Fuck 2666.
I was fine with just the Odyssey and Portrait of the Fartist, though I'm sure Dubliners wouldn't hurt. But I think the best approach to Ulysses is just to dive right in without being afraid that you won't understand all of (almost nobody does), cos even if you only get a tenth of it its still well worth reading. Its a much less intimidating book than the memes make it seem imo
I remember trying to read Tristram Shandy back in freshman year (of college) and becoming increasingly frustrated with it until I put it down. I came back to it years later and couldn't stop until I finished. I'm sure that's a common experience, but I'm still amazed by how growing up changed my taste and appreciation for a book I absolutely loathed just a few years ago.
But all of those books are genuinely good and not particularly controversial. I thought the meme trilogy would be something difficult and of questionable quality, if simply due to the literary format that obfuscates certain aspects, which can be frustrating as fuck.
Also, might I suggest Thus Spoke Zarathustra? Or does the original language of the novel have to be English? Because Zarathustra fits the criteria: difficult to read, highly controversial and written in a literary style that can prove frustrating to the less patient or novice reader.
He is right. And why?
Here's an excerpt from a dissertation about Prae:
A novel with
almost no plot, Prae consists mostly of interior monologues, some of them so complex that
reading and understanding a single page may easily take several hours. It is often impossible
to know even what a given monologue is about, since Szentkuthy uses philosophical and
scientific terms without defining them, and discusses topics and authors without explicitly
identifying them. Moreover, Szentkuthy’s associations and conclusions are often so hermetic
and bizarre that it seems impossible to discern what he sought to convey with them.