It's been 32 days since all of this started, and now it's finally coming to an end. To think that all this started just because some anon said that the 2014 list was outdated.
I made my own versions of the infographic. Although I must say tha I know nothing about graphic design. So what I did is I uploaded all the files regarding the poll except the ones I'm posting now because I made them after I uploaded everything.
Here's the link:
Now you can do your own versions of the infographic and you'll probably do better than me.
It's been a lot of fun doing this for everyone and I love everyone of you.
If there are any questions, then I'll be lurking this thread. But when this thread dies then the Polling Anon will be no more.
Here's the previous thread that was made.
I love you with all my heart /lit/ and I hope that everyone of will lead a good life.
So we have the first meme trilogy: IJ, GR, and U
And the first classics trilogy: DQ, MD, and WP
We need more discussion of the latter three and a second meme trilogy then to freshen up this board.
There's a thread about a second meme trilogy up right now. Here's the pic of what is, in my opinion, the best idea so far.
The evidence is that there's a very sudden spike in votes for the first place winner, and if you count the votes I think you'll find that most of the votes for IJ came later in the poll, when people could have noticed it wasn't getting too many more votes than other books, so they decided to stuff the ballot
69% of the books from the last poll made it onto this new one.
The highest placing new additions are:
1. Confederacy of Dunces (26)
2. Book of the New Sun (27)
3. Les Miserables (35)
4. If on a Winter's Night a Traveler (50)
5. For Whom the Bell Tolls (53)
The highest placing books to drop off the old list are:
1. The Plague (35)
2. The Silmarillion (42)
3. Leaves of Grass (53)
4. Harry Potter series (54)
5. A Clockwork Orange (55)
Of the books that stayed on the list, the greatest gains were made by:
1. The Iliad (94 to 18)
2. The Old Man and the Sea (97 to 34)
3. Paradise Lost (98 to 37)
4. Portrait of the Artist (67 to 12)
5. Steppenwolf (93 to 42)
The greatest losses were:
1. Dune (29 to 83)
2. The Picture of Dorian Gray (16 to 64)
3. A Farewell to Arms (46 to 93)
4. Journey to the End of the Night (10 to 52)
5. Invisible Cities (22 to 57)
Actually I would have liked Moby-Dick to win, and it actually won an earlier poll that also used Google (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1373EVoFPffWUVOdDyUHzz4qJD5AE_NB5dsZoGiKNPyI), but no one made a pic of that poll.
I'd love to see all the information you collected on this. Overall I concur with what other people are saying, this new poll and chart are significantly better than the earlier ones.
I think a big part is that DFW votes weren't split between more than one book. Just look at the top of the authors chart -- he's actually fourth, but Dostoevsky, Joyce, and Pynchon all have more than one book near the top of the list. Since we only got 3 books most people didn't choose two by the same writer.
>Kafka on the Shore
>The Great Gatsby
I've actually read everything he's written and just think Infinite Jest is the best. I used my other votes on other writers. I just think that with him it's more clear cut what his best work is, rather than choosing between (say) Gravity's Rainbow and Mason and Dixon or Crime and Punishment and Brothers Karamazov.
Also people tended to only vote for novels, which makes it more clear-cut for DFW fans.
Fucking hell, putting Proust in a meme trilogy would probably do great things for /lit/
I have an idea here too, hear me out guys:
the anti-meme trilogy: short, entry level meme novels
maybe Of Mice and Men, Slaughterhouse Five, Catcher in the Rye
The goal is to resist the temptation of the pleb books until you've finished the trilogy of meme trilogies. ie if you've read the anti-meme trilogies before completing all the other meme texts, you're a certified pleb
>more people should have voted
>literally the largest poll /lit/ has ever done for the yearly chart
>missed voting in a poll that was open 11 days with a continuous thread
Polling /lit/ for a chart is fundamentally flawed
The vast majority of posers and voters on this board have read a very very small number of books/authors, so it just ends up being "vote for who I've read." The result is that a very small group of memed/popular authors get a lot of votes and you have a huge long tail of 2 - 5 vote books/authors, leading to a very very skewed and inconsistent list outside of the top 25/50.
That was the second-tier tie-breaker. The first-tier was a long and involved poll pairing up authors and books that had the same number of votes and people choosing their favorite from those smaller sets.
It's the perfect /lit/ book, since it's a book written by a talentless and depressed upper middle class white guy about the experiences of being white in the modern age. It's destined to be a book of its time, and we'll all be glad when it fades into obscurity in a couple of decades.
Can you tell me what exacly did you like about Invisible Cities?
I found that it could have been a very interesting Idea, but it did not explore any themes in depth, and as a poetic prose exercise it is honestly average at best.
I think the brevity of Invisible Cities belies the density of content here. For me, the easiest way to understand Invisible Cities comes exactly at the mid-point of the novel, in the dialogue between Marco Polo and Kubla Khan where Marco Polo states that all the cities he is talking about is actually Venice. You can note that the work is symmetric, since the first and last chapters have 10 sections, and all the other ones have five, and this structure naturally lends to examining the center point.
Now, you can interpret what Marco Polo said about Venice literally, but he also states that he is using Venice as a lens to distinguish the characteristics of other cities – a compare and contrast in a sense.
Beyond the symmetrical in the 10 – 5 … 5 – 10 structure, there is also a “spiral” in the way he labels the sections. It’s hard to describe in words, but if you think of each named section (memory, desire, etc.) as a point on a wheel, the story progresses from the first spoke to the last spoke along the circle, though with structured shifts backwards and forwards.
Yet another structure is the linked chart, another version can be seen here - http://www.complit.illinois.edu/242/Calvino_2_files/an%20elaborately%20conceived%20formal%20structure.png, where the book is organized in layers.
I think the key here is that you can read the book both linearly or otherwise, organized perhaps by section (i.e. read all the memory chapters, then all the desire chapters, etc.), forwards or backwards (Diomira-Isidora-Zaira-Zora-Maurilia or reversed, Maurilia-Zora-Zaira-Isidora-Diomira). For the layered chart,you can see how you can read the book horizontally or vertically, forwards or backwards.
The way the book is structured simultaneously gives you the freedom to read it differently – in multiple ways that’s not just traditional linearity, but also in a sense restricts you to the possibilities yielded by the formal structure. Various cities (forgive I don’t remember which ones) have inhabitants who are in some ways freed and/or enslaved by connections, whether they be physical or abstract. There is also a city who is described as a spider web, which I think it’s a fairly explicit rendering of the way these connections both free and trap us, not unlike society/life/the human condition/insert generic motif here.
All of this leads to the structure of the book as a way to highlight the relationship between the universal and the specific. These descriptions are ostensibly of Venice, a single city, but Venice is used as a way to examine all other cities, and by extension, humanity. The individual parables are abstractions of a component of human life, ranging from the mundane to the extraordinary. I guess a straightforward way to interpret the labels is that each examines a single idea and how it affects humanity. Human experience is simultaneously singular and distinct, with all of us living experiencing the same world, but differently, similar to how different readers, or even the same reader, can read the same text in very different ways.
>/lit/ will never be able to take a good favorite-book poll again because of redditors putting high-school tier books near the top
the Katie fiasco going on the front page of reddit for a day or so was the worst thing to happen to this board desu
It doesn't have to correspond to what you think is good. There is nothing 'sad' about author A above B since you like B more.
Also, i bet a million imaginary dollars you haven't read more than 13% of those books.
If more posters on a literature board list Cormac McCarthy as a favorite than Proust, that is sad.
I'm well aware it wasn't a ranking poll.
As for what I've read on that list:
Crime and Punishment
Portrait of the Artist
Catcher in the Rye
In Search of Lost Time
Dante's Devine Comedy
The Sound and the Fury
The Great Gatsby
The Lord of the Rings
Alice's Adventures in Wonderland
Of Mice and Men
Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?
To the Lighthouse
How about you?
i've read 75/100 and I've no desire to read at least like 10 of them (IJ, GR, Blood Meridian, V, Ego and Its Own, Naked Lunch, etc.) so I'm almost done with this chart.
Is my e-dick bigger than yours now?
American lit has never been an area of particular interest to me desu so I was never super compelled to read those works. I was permanently turned off IJ by how much it got jerked on both Reddit and here t b h ;;
removed vote count and straightened out bottom text sorta with paint
Memes got stronger.
Also Dubliners on 14? It's so fucking basic tho. I'm pretty sure if it wasn't James Joyce's dummy bullet it wouldn't have any consideration.
It's the "well I haven't quite read Ulysses yet but I'm patrician you know" pick
>reddit's top 200.
I'd say we win.
For a board that is supposed to be so smart, this sure was done terribly.
Instead of voting on ONE BOOK. You should have voted on THREE or FIVE. That way you wouldn't get so many books with just 2 fucking votes, Jesus Christ.
these lists need to be rebranded as books being memed in the 2015 calendar year. if you want to make a case that this board should continue to exist you can't say the top 100 books of all to is 50% dumb shit for existential high schoolers. this list is a fucking joke and the IJ meme needs to die with all the 17 year olds here
I didn't enjoy reading the words.
I guess it being the precursor to Ulysses would make it an important book. I don't think as a standalone title, its content would merit being on a best of list.
There are 3 Joyce titles on the list...
I've read some of the books on this list (and have most of the rest in my queue) and comparing any of them to Portrait of The Artist as a Young Man just seems stupid, the other books were actually fun to read
that being said, I guess this is a flaw of the voting system. the book was ok. and I can see the use of innovative literary techniques being a cool thing. I wouldnt put it on the list. probably just a meme list anyway
Portrait of the Artist As a Young Man is one of the most sublime experiences I have ever had as a reader. I prefer it to Dubliners and Ulysses due to the extremeness of the sympathetic immersion in Stephen's mind. His thoughts are extremely complex - a combination of visual, aesthetic, political and religious ideas all come together in his bird girl vision, and if it strikes you in the way it struck me as I read it, you are right there with Stephen, understanding his reaction to the vision and his commitment to art and aesthetics as a kind of religion.
It also probably helps if you were raised Catholic
The Lord's work anon.
Can you do the same for the authors?
My one and only real problem with this chart is how in the fuck Terry Pratchet got on there.
I even like Terry Pratchet, but never in a million years would I vote for him on a list of great writers.