This intimate feeling which I felt for only one in this whole world, this whole existence, is that feeling which we sing about for ages but which we never truly touch except in that simple first moment, the Universal Explosion, The "Big Bang," and which leaves us like the Holy Spirit, fulfilled but empty; it is that feeling your mother had for your father for just a moment in that pre-existence of yours, and she had thought nothing of the physical, only of her and him, no bodies, strictly entities, indeed, what else are we but entities, for you, as I, are embodied in the way we make ripples upon the world rather than for reason of our being stone.
>>7317627 Because Hemingway is one of the best writers of the last 150 years. Just because his work is full of easily understandable tidbits doesn't mean they have lesser value. For, when you put all the little pieces together, and look very carefully, there is more wide themes being expressed that are often missed by the general reader of his work.
>>7317608 >>7317613 Dude you gotta pare it down and make your novel super efficient so that readers can get through it in the minimum time possible. The ideal we're moving toward is to be able to read 20-30 novels a day and if you're not part of the solution then you're part of the problem.
When somebody tells me that they're "sad" i feel like i can't relate to them because being "sad" is such a general and vague idea. Where does the sadness come from? Is it from a relationship gone wrong, which would be more accurate with "heartbroken," or is it from a pattern of negative thinking, which would be more accurately described as "pessimistic." I don't know what you mean when you say that you're "sad."
>>7317608 His soul swooned slowly as he heard the snow falling faintly through the universe and faintly falling, like the descent of their last end, upon all the living and the dead. any way you use the style you need to get your point across. not simple just because and not flowery just because. if you're actually a talented writer you know what suits your message best.
hemingway's style worked because it complemented the fictional worlds he created
Now, I'm divided on Hemingway. About half of his work, I think is terrible, and the other half, really good. But I have to say that
>His legacy spawned a generation of literary mediocrity.
Is completely true. Fuck minimalism. Fuck everyone who tries to emulate it. It's killing language, and when Hemingway himself only managed to pull it off half the time, none of his imitators will ever succeed.
>>7320227 Actually his influence has been positive overall. It's easy to fall into the trap of overestimating the relative literary output of days past for obvious reasons. As someone who has researched and read the works of the "2nd raters" before hemingway, let me tell you that I would gladly read 50 fake hemingways over 10 of those tedious, long winded shits. People say "write like Ernest" for a reason. It can turn execrable work into plain old mediocrity over night.
>>7320227 >i don't care if the sentence is pointless or contradictory, i only care that other people see how many big, fancy, verbose, quizzical, confounding, compelling, pretty, postulating words i know. >how else will mummy know when to give me a 'god boy' pat on the back?
I think it is true that type of writing is more effective. Trying to sound smart always does the opposite. But why shit on Faulkner, Hemmingway? I've only read As I Lay Dying but the prose wasn't difficult at all, and this is coming from someone who gets headaches from trying to read Heart of Darkness.
>>7320631 Pynchon is actually really good at this, I noticed GR was difficult because of the sentence structure and amount of characters. The only words that came up were explained (like brenschluss) or like you said you could use context clues.
Infinite Jest disappointed me too much to finish. One of my gripes was being sent to the dictionary for unnecessary words for 9-sided dice. It seemed his vocabulary was patchwork. One of the many things that made that thing trash
>>7318837 Saying you're heartbroken is inferior to describing how you met this woman, slept with her, planned to marry her and took her on a midnight walk through Paris and proposed and then how she died in a car accident, then saying it made you sad. This is the message of Hemingway; show us, don't tell us.
E.g. a "literary" person would write >Her absence created a void in my spirit that nobody could fathom, endless despair etc etc.
Hemingway would write >I arrived home to find a note saying good bye. I sat at the table for a long time thinking and then I poured myself a large glass of cognac.
Well, I'm not the best writer but you get the idea. Of course you should combine the two.
>>7317635 You should get the hang of simple declarative sentences before attempting long, complex-compound ones that you're forced to fill with vapid, hackneyed metaphors and grammatically clunky jerkoff bullshit.
>This...feeling...is that feeling... (bravo) >the existence is the feeling? >singing about something for ages...jesus >touching a feeling >leaves as in "goes away" or "ultimately makes"...? >fulfilled but empty? what? >and why is this in second person again? >this gets way cringey by the end
>>7321564 Purple: >Admiring the chromatic scene of the foreign bazaar, I was accosted by a multitude of fruity fragrances, which provoked my saliva glands to an exceptional degree.
Grey: >At the foreign bazaar, I saw oranges, red apples, green apples, ripe bananas, pineapples, persimmons, mangoes, avocados, along with some fruits I didn't recognize. As I breathed in their various aromas, I started to salivate.
We went fishing for trout in the river. At first the sun was in the middle of the sky. We threw our bait in the river, hoping to catch trout. There was no trout to be seen in the river. I thought there could be no trout in the river. Jeremy said there was supposed to be trout in the river. I asked him where the trout was.
(goes on for three pages, the word 'trout' is mentioned 243 times, the word 'river,' 123 times, and the word 'water,' around 56.
>I walked to the stall. I saw some fruit. The dandy's name was Leo. I punched him in the gut. He let out a scream. He pulled out a knife. I grabbed his throat. He gurgled like a fairy. He swung the knife. I pushed it away.
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