Please pick a name for fan fiction board.
like /fan-fic/ or /litf/?
I can make the board, now.
if you want to see the opinions regarding /phil/ and /his/ from /lit/ see
>Having a separate board for history makes sense on at least some level (even though it's a complete failure in practice -- /his/ is flooded with garbage threads, whereas the history threads on /lit/, though rare, were usually pretty great with tons of good book recommendations). But literature, the humanities and philosophy? Philosophy is a form of literature (even quite apart from the fact that philosophy completely permeates fiction and vice versa), and literature as a subject belongs to the humanities... the split is absurd. Where do I go to discuss Nietzsche, one of the great German prose stylists, and should his Thus Spoke Zarathustra be discussed on one board but Beyond Good and Evil on another? Where do I go to discuss a religious work of fiction, like the Book of Job? (Yeah yeah, fedoras, whatever.) What about Paradise Lost? And while we're at it, why should ancient languages be discussed alongside law, but not alongside literature? None of this makes any sense.
There's always going to be shitposters. It's not a matter of where you want them to go for your convenience, but where these things logically belong. There's no reason to have so many boards when it can be grouped into one
/fic/ - fanfiction & critique
>philosophy is a form of literature
By that argument, so is economics, or anything else. If it's written down, you have subsumed it into your category of 'literature'.
And that is absurd.
Because there is many people on /lit/ who believe that philosophic literature is not allowed on /lit/ because the sticky over on /his/ implicitly mentions it.
They are convinced that /his/ is the ONLY place for philosophy and it cannot be discussed here.
So far the janitor's have not taken this stance but almost every thread with any sort of philosophic undertones gets shitposted into oblivion.
Thank you based Japanese man
Maxposting is back
that people who post about philosophy only read philosophy. they are the heaviest readers of fiction and other subjects on this board (besides the shit posters, but we don't just fiction by its shit posters either)
Throwing in a ticket to keep philosophy on /lit/.
The quality of those threads were very high. Philosophy and literature are so intimately related that the split hardly makes sense.
>please stop trying to improve our board, we love you, just ignore us.
You can't post a topic about fan-fic on /lit/ so that some users need a place to talk about fanfic somewhere.
That's the reason I want to make a new board.
that was only one guy from here. you should talk also to /tg/, /co/, and other boards who resist fan-fiction. do not ask /mlp/ about it because they will say yes and flood 4chan with clobber
/his/tory has been made.
Now fuck off shitposters.
Mr. Hiroyuki Nishimura, I was banned the other day for posting a thread about Emerson and Heidegger. Another one of my threads was deleted earlier today. The moderators on this board are in over their heads and unworthy of their power. If you want a true commander of /lit/, someone who will kick in the door so that the whole rotten edifice will come tumbling down, place the crown upon my head and together we will usher in a golden age of literary discussion.
Please, please delete the 'his' board and leave us alone.
Although not without problems, /lit/ was for the most party a very niche and unique board, often perceived as the "most serious" "most intelligent" or "with the best taste" ( not only in literature) on 4chan.
Basically a relatively tiny "intellectual" community on the outskirts of 4chan. Sure, we suffered from the same problems all 4chan board do, but that's because of the very nature of this site. If anything, /lit/ was the most worthwhile board with a pretty solid identity and (in comparison to other boards) plenty of worthwhile content.
Now, by creating those ridiculous divisions, you're risking destroying all of that. A new board without a proper "culture", or rather userbase and identity might fail terribly, result in a flood of trolls and absolutely 0 worthwhile discussion. A literature-only board might fail on it's own, because of not enough topics/interest, a divided userbase and many people simply giving up on it, because of the drastic division.
In the end you might kill the all-in-all pretty wonderful /lit/, end up with a dead literature board, a shitty /his/ board and a lot of the user base simply giving up on the site/discussin humanities on 4chan.
tl;dr FUCK OFF, humanities are already a niche and we were doing fine, on our little board, with all it's pros and cons, it's a worthwhile and unique place, no need for you to stick your nose in and fuck everything up.
I think the consensus is this:
/lit/ and /his/ both can have discussions of philosophy.
/wrt/ or /crt/ or /fic/ for fan fiction and writing and critique.
Please do this and we will be a very happy 4chan:^)
>'Humanities' includes philosophy so it would off-topic to talk about philosophy on /lit/ instead of /his/
It means you can talk about philosophy on /his/
It doesn't mean any rules on other boards, I think.
Hiroyuki, can you please comment on whether or not we can get new janitors? There's clearly a lot of people who are very invested in this board and I don't think the current mods are being proactive enough.
Also can you have them ban pedolit discussions?
Don't worry about changing things all the time to please everyone. Everyone here is going to be complaining no matter what. :)
I think maybe that "and Humanities" should be removed from "History."
History is a big enough subject to sustain its own board.
Literature is also.
So, philosophy and other humanities should not have their own board, but should just float between boards.
this poster is just afraid of when we play kaidan
Hiroyuki, do not listen to ban and new board posters. They need to learn to make better posts about books, and to not care what other people read except if it makes them happy.
So philosophy can be discussed on /lit/ with book references?
Works for me.
Any thing that is esoteric or general "philosophizing", or just talking about philosophers, can go to /his/
If there is a fanfiction board that also emphasizes writing and critique, then we will see the same debate over where philosophy belongs happen over writing and critique threads. I'm not against the idea, but there should be the clarification that critique threads belong on both boards.
I have to disagree with this. The Tao te Ching and Ecclesiastes are some of the most beautiful passages ever preserved in history. There should always be a space there on /lit/.
Philosophical literature belongs on /lit/. I agree that pure philosophy topics should be somewhere else.
I think this means people want a 'humanities' board, besides /lit/ and /his.
>Philosophy threads are permitted on /lit/. On /his/ also. Please do the needful and understand.
I just got a warning for starting a book request thread on /his/.
Apparently book threads belong on /lit/ even if they are about history. Similarly I would think, it would apply to philosophy
There have been a couple people here asking for such, I suppose, but it's not really /lit/ you should be asking. Ask /co/ and /tg/ if you want. /lit/ doesn't really attract those kinds of people anymore.
Stress that politics and anything related to anime is forbidden and that philosophy is okay, as long as it is not analytic philosophy. Crown me as the spiritual leader of the board and tell them that my words are law.
Hi hiroki, frequent /a/, /co/, /cm/ and /tv/ lurker who happened upon thus thread. Before you make board you should maybe ask for comments from those boards, they will have a lot of interest and good questions within the bag of shitposts you will get in those threads.
You will have to make clear what is allowed and not and how links to tumblr fanfiction net and ao3 fits in.
Nobody has offered a reason why he shouldn't make a fanfiction board aside from a vague conception that 'it will attract more dumb people to the site'. Considering the existence of boards like /b/, I think that ship has long-since sailed. Might as well throw one up.
I gotta say thought, your commitment ot improving this site and involvement with community is admirable. I still think /his/ is not the best idea, but if it's going to stay, the best thing you can do it delete the "& Humanities" and leave that to /lit/, thus leaving it unchanged.
They can talk about books here, but that is not what they are doing.
They are talking about ideas and abstract thoughts, nothing of a book.
That is why we /his/ them. if they talk about books it's fine, but they don't
/x/ doesn't want religion. Occult was fine but somehow a bunch of Baptists found the board and started posting generic bible quotes and pictures of Jesus. It's like an old grandma on Facebook.
Every thread shouldn't have to be about a specific book. Broad, abstract threads are the best because not everyone has the same taste in literature and many do not read the same books. As long as the thread is not about anime, analytic philosophy, politics, and other philistine interests, it should be allowed.
If I was boss I would do this. /his/ will always attract /pol/ and /int/.
Take the "& Humanities" away from /his/ and put it on /lit/, it makes more sense that way and it is basically how we have always used /lit/ anyway.
/b/ is different. It has a cultural history, and there's a difference between /b/ and another board that will attract undesirables. More common boards = more mainstream audiences = changing 4chan. We've already got a culture of ironic shitposting, we don't need an influx of, excuse my language, normalfags. Is there really even demand for a fan-fiction board? I really don't see any reason FOR it.
Why are you being so democratic? Delegate some of your power to me and I will take care of the trouble here while you are out looking at the pyramids or whatever. Trust me. I know what is best for them.
I always just assumed that the shock of switching the subject mater taken for granted on /lit/ and moving it to /his/ would kill the vibe and start something new anyway. Those who live in the past don't seem to last.
Just make a religion/spiritual board already. More demand for that than fanfiction. Would clean up the stuff we don't want in /x/, which has no rules and no specific focus other than a vague cultural idea that is outdated because of newfags (and it's a creepy board at its heart anyway).
The problem has to do with the fact that /lit/, stuck in its ways as ever, did not get broadly decimated by the tactic. Ergo the creation of the fanfic board and allowance of philosophy books. That should shake you up a bit... introverts.
I, for one, vote against you.
Books involving religion should be on /lit/.
Books of philosophical musings should be on /lit/.
/lit/ should not contain threads about anything that is not a written body of text. It can contain tangentially relevant information, but threads must always start about some writing.
I've posted this before. Thoughts?
The young soldier knew that the rules of war forbade attacking hospitals, medics and wounded soldiers, but he also knew that men full of bloodlust rarely followed rules of conduct. “Get the wounded out of here!” He yelled as he grabbed the rifle from the fallen soldier’s twitching fingers. Outside, the northern countrymen were swarming from the river like a plague of frogs. The young soldier crouched behind sand bags that had been stacked along the edge of the beach and fired upon the enemy. To his astonishment, every time his rifle passed over an enemy soldier his heart jumped into his throat and he found he couldn’t pull the trigger. “They look just like me,” he realized. Though their hair was much darker than his, and their eyes more like almond in shape, they were young men just like him, young men with eyes full of fear that they might never see tomorrow.
A man was next to the young soldier, yelling at him to pick the gun back up. He did and rather than shoot at the enemy soldiers he shot at their feet. The bullets kicked up sprays of sand and silt, causing the enemy soldiers to skid to a stop and dive for cover behind dunes and trees.
Somewhere behind him he heard a familiar voice yell “The wounded are secured! Fall back!” The soldiers hiding behind the walls of sandbags turned and ran for the trucks. As the young soldier ran back through the empty hospital to the trucks he stumbled over the body of the same soldier that had been shot through the back. To his surprise, the man let out a faint, painful sounding wheeze. He was still alive, but in their haste the hospital staff had filed to check him for a pulse. With great difficulty, the young soldier carried the man on his shoulder to the trucks, most of which were already a great distance down the road. As a tree of helping hands pulled the half-dead soldier onto the last truck, the young soldier felt something like an electric shock run through him, and his left leg went limp underneath him. All of a sudden his head felt like it was full of cotton, and the last thing he remembered before he passed out was an arm wrapping around his.
Hiro, I don't think 4chan would become better with a fanfic board. Just look at this thread, there are hardly any (I haven't spotted any at all) who are interested. So, from within 4chan there's not much interest.
If anything, making a fanfic/creative writing board will attract even more people from outside 4chan instead of help the ones already here. Now whether that's good or bad is a whole other discussion, but personally I think we'd be better off without newcomers for the time being.
I don't think I have seen evidence for desire for a fanfiction board here on /lit/, but I have definitely seen it on other boards.
I guess it's sort of like how lots of boards currently have NaNoWriMo threads, but here it is (rightfully) disregarded as plebeian
Just like aco, a fanfiction board would filter alot of the porn and fetish shitposts on not only /co/ but I assume /tg/ and /vg/. Any problems they would have would not affect you guys in any way. I say we need it. And if we are wrong, we can get rid of it later. If that board can have the chance to create and critique in the midst of all the shitposting, why not?
Maybe now I'm coming on a bit too strong with the fantasy element out of nowhere. I think I need to blend this better and leave more of the fantasy to mystery (2/2)
After a third day spent trying to repair the broken radio, the one-legged soldier was growing desperate for a way to pass the time. His eyes wandered to his father’s collection of scriptures. The texts, he found, were every bit as daunting as he had imagined they would be. biblical quotes and odd phrases were intertwined with strange charts shaped like cypress trees that burned with letters and pictures of intersecting wheels made of wings with eyes along axels. There were drawing of tiny men in the heads of tadpole-shapes and scriptures meant to be painted across the fingers so that with the bending of each joint new passages were formed speaking rephrasings of the same psalm.
What the young soldier had found, though at the time he was scarcely aware, were compilations of great and mysterious magics. There are not a people upon the earth without their own tradition of sorcery, and form he had found from his father’s texts, Kabbalah was among the oldest that remained. What the boy learned from those strange texts was a connection many great rabbis over history had sought to understand. That man is the creation of god was no secret, nor was it that the souls within men were a piece of his divine being. But there existed other beings cut from the same divine cloth, strange and powerful things known as angels who were more soul than body. Those texts said in no uncertain terms that the line between angel and man was an illusion of human construction, and that our heavenly rank, that of the Ishim was entitled to similar powers to those held by the greater ranks, and lastly that one who could comprehend the true implications of this relationship could shed their mortal attachments to become beings known as the Bene Elohim.
basically at the end of the day, i just want people who write fanfiction to be unfulfilled and to not be able to share their terrible work. please don't make this board, and instead continue to deny them any avenue for their awful hobby.
It's utter shit and it will remain utter shit for a long time, as it needs to from it's identity, how the threads and discussion will actually look. Is it going to be another /int/ batner, or /pol/ nutjobs taking over, or a cesspool of memens, or what.
Even when it forms it's identity it will keep attracting wider pol/int audiences, and it's very unlikely that it be on /lit/'s level (for all it's faults) at all.
Even though I don't agree entirely, a fanfic board seems kind of pointless to me too. A Critique Board, where people could discuss poetry, prose and even fanfic itself would be so much better and useful for everyone.
Thanks, based Hiro.
Rise up my disciples, my hawks. All of you anonymous blanks rise up and tell him that you want me as your GOD. Now is your chance.
Not if moderation is enforced. Seriously, look at all the occult posters on /x/ and the potential religious posters elsewhere. This alone is enough of a demand, and posts can be regulated. /x/ would be free to go back to being a creepy board, and oldfags from /x/ would return along with all the people from other boards who would post on /x/ if it weren't for all the shit reputation it has.
Here's some more if you're interested.
Seven times the soldier awakened only briefly, his head feeling like it was full of mattress foam, and seven times he fell back into a poppy-scented trance. When he finally awoke for real he was in a hospital, and not one with tarp walls and dirt floors. A woman he recognized as his mother sat in a chair by his bed. She offered him a paper cup of water and he realized his throat was dry and faintly crusty, as if he had slept for days with his mouth open. After some terrible hospital food, pills the size of his thumb, and a nurse with a voice like the whirr of a lawnmower informing him he was a very lucky man, the soldier left the hospital in a wheelchair with his left thigh wrapped in plaster.
The one-legged soldier found that the return to civilian life was not as pleasant as he had anticipated. Though his room was a good deal more comfortable than the trenches he had slept in, and though pastrami on rye was a large improvement on hard tack and canned meat, bed rest was a tragically boring prescription in the days when television was a luxury. As it was his was a family of modest wealth supported by the salary of a lone rabbi, one with a single broken radio and an ice box in place of a refrigerator. The soldier had sent money home to his family, but only a small portion of it had paid for anything other than groceries and rent. Though the rabbi kept a rather large library for a tenement that small, most of the books were religious scripts, translated badly from greek, yiddish and polish if they were translated at all. Within the first two days, the restless soldier had read through the few gems that were to be found: several magazines on the sciences of the day, two pulp fiction journals and a poorly-translated french short story called Ball of Fat.
>/his/ is great
WHO IZ THE BEST GENERAL EVER I PICK HITLER HE SHOULD HAZ USED THE SPEAR OF LONGINUS
With how 4chan functions traditionally it does. When something is said by staff to be the board for X, that means any conversation about X on other boards is redirected to that board. As most boards are large and contain a lot of possible content, it's helped define more clearly where someone should go if they want to participate in conversation about X.
Of course, as soon as you mention, as you have, that philosophy is allowed on both boards that is negated. But it is important to note that ruling on one board does affect other boards.
Avatarfagging is regularly accompanying your posts with the same picture or derivatives of it, usually as a complement to tripfagging. It's also against the rules and bannable on every board with active mods.
In alot of general threads on co and vg there are fanfiction links in the op. Where are you getting this idea that there isnt interest.
You silly anons and your sekret club mentality.
Hiroki, make fanfic board just in time for Nanowrimo!
>if I use meme arrows it will show he's reddit!
What's up, reddit?
/his/ is fine. The only problem it has are the idiots from /pol/ who start shit and the idiots who can't ignore them. The majority of threads are great and entertaining. It's already shaping up to be one of the better boards on the site.
Yeah, that would definitely be a better idea, but I doubt it would have much traction either way. From having been on other forums with literature subforums where people shared their writing, my experience is that people share but nobody reads what the others share. Since it takes substantially longer and much more effort to read and critique even single-page writing than for instance an image, music, video etc. Especially on the effort front.
Tl;dr, from experience, people in literature critique forums submit but don't actually read others' because it's more effort to critique than other art forms.
You asked for more, you got it. Thanks for all the positive feedback.
The young soldier was stationed in hospital by a spindly river on the southern half of that eastern country. Calling it a hospital was like calling a threadbare tent a mansion, but on a battlefield there is only ever a mimicry of order. As a medic, the young soldier saved the lives of many of his brothers in arms, but for every soldier he saved, two more died under his care. After each patient he treated, the soldier sat on a plywood bench and thought to himself how cruel it all was. For though he brought many men back from the brink of death, he could only ever heal, and never protect. He thought about how, like the politicians and generals who sent his brothers in arms to their deaths from between cushy leather chairs and shiny mahogany desks, he had never risked his life for them, and he wondered whether that made him as heartless as them. He knew deep within him that his worries were foolish, but when a man sees his friends die, the saddest parts of him wish he had been there with them.
On summer morning as the sun turned red on the horizon, the northern countrymen surged forth and overwhelmed the camp. Men barely awake stumbled to their rifles and were shot before they could raise them to aim. Realizing this was not a battle that could be won, the soldiers of Ziz and the Southern Country ran to their trucks while a few braver men returned held back the enemy advance. In the hospital, the doctors, nurses, and the young soldier too began carrying the sick and wounded into the backs of their trucks.
As a tiny nurse dragged a bandaged man towards the trucks, a bullet tore through the tarp of the hospital tent and she fell dead on the dirt floor. An grey haired old doctor yelled out in pain, clutching gauze to a wound on his shoulder. A hoarse-voiced soldier in barged in to the tent and yelled that the northmen had broken through before a spray of bullets tore through his back and out his front.
A fan fiction board will approach levels of cancer that shouldn't even be possible. There are limitless places on the internet for people to post fan fiction already, why does 4chan need it?
Eight-Point Plan as Supreme Ruler of /lit/
1. I will delete every bookshelf thread.
2. I will delete every depressed virgin thread.
3. I will delete every "who was the cutest philosopher?" thread.
4. I will delete every Marxist thread.
5. I will delete every Christian vs. atheist thread.
6. I will delete every John Green thread.
7. I will delete every Lord of the Rings thread.
8. I will delete every post that tells the poster to post on /his/.
Hiroyuki, i knew that this question isn't really about this thread but it's important to me and i missed the q&a threads.
As it is now /r9k/ is just a third /b/. We already have /b/ and /s4s/, /r9k/ could have a real purpose.
A significant part of /r9k/ are the "robots". We do not have a real homeland and we're trying to settle in /r9k/ and have been trying to do so for a long time. We're the reason for most of the culture on /r9k/.
If you were to decide that /r9k/ is the virgin homeland us robots could finally have a home and the culture of /r9k/ would flourish.
In it's current state /r9k/ is mostly about conflict or /s4s/-tier shit, the board would be very good if you decided to make it the robot homeland.
/r9k/ means a lot to many people, robots are the kind of people that can never find a place in real life or in any other site, making /r9k/ the robot homeland would mean a lot for all of us and would stop /r9k/ from being just a battleground of shit.
Yeah, no. Your shitty taste doesn't decided whether or not I write my story or ask for critique. Especially when the constituents apparently have to make an effort to censor the ones who like it.
>your shitty taste
>ask for critique
This is the wrong thread
>censor the ones who like it
You mean you replying to your own posts, like
>Tl;dr, from experience, people in literature critique forums submit but don't actually read others' because it's more effort to critique than other art forms.
Critique threads are really popular on /lit/ already. They should probably stay.
scifi and fantasy fit nicely in /lit/, no? It's not like /lit/ is overwhelmingly busy as it is
Also admin, if you're still here, it would be nice if also non-fanfiction creative writing and critique would be allowed in /fic/. Maybe there could be one general for people's own projects?
Just a tip; you might want to give some concrete examples of
a) what exactly is wrong, in your view and
b) how exactly could it be fixed, in your view. Now you're just repeating "make it robot homeland", but you don't say what does that mean or how it would be accomplished.
4chan needs to return to its roots, and allow pedo discussions again. Right now I feel that people enjoy censoring all what they don't like nor understand (something more proper of uneducated people than smart users). And the second anon is right, in the last "pedolit" thread we had a really nice chat about literature, better than usual, thanks to a open minded group of users that don't fear meaningless bans.
Hiroyuki-san, give us a /pedo/ board, please.
Here's more for the fans:
I was eight years old when my grandmother died, so may she forgive that I don't remember her face or voice. In truth I have memories from when she was still alive and healthy, but those are of my grandfather to whom she was married for a good half-century. What little I know of her I know from his stories, and he had quite a lot of them as old men do.
One of those memories surfaced recently. One of a five year old boy wrapped in blankets. He is held by an old man trying to sleep and an old woman whose face is out of frame. His parents are in their Manhattan apartment just an hour away. They are planning their divorce to suit him, but that isn't why he's wide awake. Downstairs are wooden trains on a track of jigsaw pieces, and in his young mind they are all there is to the world. Eventually the old man relents and brings him down to play, hoping the experience will quickly prove soporific. Boredom comes to the boy soon enough, but sleep left his oven on and told the former that he would catch up with him. At one in the morning, my grandfather sits me on his knee and tells me a bedtime story. I ask if it has power rangers, but he shakes his head. It's a story from a long time ago, about a soldier, a rabbi, a bridesmaid, and a flock of clay birds.
>there are yet those who don't want philosophy on /lit/
Seconding this. "Rate your work" threads can go to this new board and that means the new board has more substance than just fanfiction.
Also Hiro, might I ask
Not totally related to this topic but it has been mentioned in the thread, can you make a /cinema/ board? Something explicitly for more intellectual/patrician/high-brow films? /tv/ is a cesspool that only talks about Television and basic hollywood movies, we need somewhere to talk about Parajhanov/Mizoguchi/Fellini etc
thank you Hiro
>Rate your work" threads can go to this new board and that means the new board has more substance than just fanfiction.
Yeah and that means that the board won't die from lack of use, however if all the fanfictions including 'write an anime plot, write a fanfic etc' all got shoved into that board it wouldn't be too dead either
You shift tenses for no apparent reason in the second paragraph and the whole thing is rather unclear. I'm tempted to guess the soldier/rabbi/bridesmaid/clays is a reference I don't know, but I'm going to judge it as is. What's the point of starting about the gandmother if the point is about the grandfather and the story told to him while his parents are divorcing? You should find a world other than soporific, it just comes across as "haha, my vocabulary is better than yours.". You're reaching a bit far with the oven idiom. Why'd you switch between third person description of the boy to first person?
I think it'll improve /lit/ too desu
I don't mind all the critique and RYW threads but sometimes I just want to scroll through and shitpost about Spooks and DFW
Yeah it wasn't very clear even though i did include something pretty concrete in my post.
I wrote about the "virgin homeland" and the thing that i think will make /r9k/ great is to ban everyone who admits to being a non-virgin. I went on to writing a bunch of crap so the part about the "virgin homeland" wasn't obvious.
This is literally the most undereducated thing I have ever read. The fact that you think it's acceptable on a board dedicated to literature tells me you opinion is not of any value in this context. If at some point in the future I need to find someone willing to trade a hair weave for a blowjob I will seek your advice. until then you are dismissed
>multiple unneeded boards
Just one board, where people will be able to speak of this without receiving a fulminant ban. Speaking of it shouldn't be against the rules.
We can't do this in /b/, and it's highly discouraged on /lit/. There's no place for a good amount of potential users (that have to migrate to other websites)...
>Just one board
That's exactly what ever special snowflake offshoot community says. We cannot pander to everyone. Multiple boards for the reason of containment or for "cleaning up" a board when there doesn't need cleaning only serves to make this site just another generic topical hub.
>We can't do this in /b/
Yes you can
>highly discouraged on /lit/
There's a hide button. If you're not fucking up the community, there's no problem
Wizchan is mostly about weabooism. Also the rules there are based on a complex web of lies, memes and bullshit. What i propose for /r9k/ is one simple rule, a massive gate with no cracks.
With the iffiness of American law and the already fucked reputation of this site, /l/ is not going to happen. What is the big deal with the fucking porn board wars anyway? For fucks sake, it's a porn board. Is there really anything on here that you absolutely cannot get anywhere else? What aspects of discussion on porn boards are so important that they are of the utmost importance on 4chan? We have a /tv/ board.
It's your opinion, I guess. And because of the increasing censorship, I know lots of users that moved to other sites, just to keep doing the same that they've been doing for a long time.
>/tv/ is not fit for any serious discussions of film. The board moves incredibly fast and 99% of it is garbage. A dedicated cinema/kino board is needed
Yes it is. That's what it's made for. You don't make a new fucking board just because one is too fast. That's not how it works. Moderated/fixed /tv/ is fine. You work at the problems of a board, not create a whole fucking new one.
What's not to get? If it's not literary, it doesn't belong in /lit/.
Literature is great in that it can be on almost any subject - but you need to have some literature to discuss it on /lit/.
the audience for /tv/ is not the audience for Ingmar Bergman. Imagine if genre fiction were substantially more popular on /lit/, the worthwhile threads would be buried/nonexistant and the pleb shit would be all that remained.
The 'patrician' audience is non existing on /tv/ it's three inept film school dropouts who can barely discuss film.
When has there even been high level film discussion? It's all shit wiki posting
Creating a fan fic board would force all critique threads and OC out of /lit/. Separating parts of an already small board like /lit/ is a bad idea.
Also, pretty sure that very few people on 4chan are especially interested in fan fic..?
It doesn't need to be just fanfic. Like I said, I think a "red" /lit/ would be good and personally I'd like a dedicated place to post work to be critiqued that isn't /lit/ desu.
I'd use both boards
I want to scroll through /lit/ and shitpost about people who have achieved more than I without thread after thread of "rate my work" or "post your work" also I enjoy wanking to shit quality fanfiction/erotica so Hiro would be really doing me a favour
/phil/ is an integral part of /lit/, both the board and the general idea. Are DFW memes really more pleasing to you than Stirner? Philosophy here is such a non-issue, maybe remove the obvious b8 (ie Sam Harris) but the same principle could be applied to non-phil sources of shitposts
Before the whole issue of fanfic posting got brought up, I just assumed OC threads were full of them, and just continued scrolling. But now that they've become such a focal issue, I think it's best we give OC/critique/journal/fanfic their own board so as not to pollute our fine book-board with the likely ensuing flood of garbage posts (ensuing if fanfics are indeed allowed to be posted here)
No it isnt. You shitters just invaded a few years ago and pushed everything else out. /lit/ has been a joke on the rest of the site for years because it breeds pseudointellectuals like rats.
>/lit/ has been a joke on the rest of the site for years
why so insecure friend? This same sort of discourse comes up on every board and I guess general community (we're the laughing stock of X because this one post made fun of us). 4chan is the laughing stock of most of the internet desu senpai, who cares if someone doesn't like our content
This is a very good thing
There's a lot of amateur writers on 4chan, who write about all kinds of topics, even their own fiction.
You are essentially making an /ic/ for writers. This is great
I enjoy the critique threads on though, creating another board specifically for the kind of literary critique threads we have here is unnecessary.
/fan/ or the like more makes sense and implies a certain prosaic style so it won't take the critique and poetry threads away from here altogether. Writing threads are an important part of /lit/, a /fanfic/ board would create a new space without compromising /lit/.
>I enjoy the critique threads on though, creating another board specifically for the kind of literary critique threads we have here is unnecessary.
Yes, but it's for all critique, including fan fiction. /co/ and /v/ writefags would also come here. So will /d/ and /aco/.
That's why I pointed it out as a sister board to /ic/ and /i/
>/fic/ - Fan Fiction/Critique
>/ff/ - Fan Fiction
>/fan/ - Fan Fiction/Critique
>/fc/ - Fan Fiction/Critique
>/fs/ - Fan Fiction & Story Critique
>/fw/ - Fan Fiction & Writing Critique
>/fl/ - Fan Fiction/Literary Fiction
Agreed, but what I'm saying is keep the same rules here i.e "Writing and Critique" and "Poetry" threads allowed and encouraged here. I don't think we have a problem with /co/ or /v/ etc here and I agree that the new /fic/ board will cater to the desires of those autists but I don't want to loose a part of /lit/ in the process.
Naming the board something to do with Fan Fiction whilst allowing other types of fictional writing from /v/ /co/ /d/ /aco/ /a/ and maybe even like erotic fanfic from the adult boards is a good idea I just want it to be clear that "Literary Critique" and other creative threads relating to /lit/ belong on /lit/ so the new board facilitates Fan Fic and fanfic related posting without us getting >>>/fic/ or whatever spammed in every fucking literary critique and poetry thread.
Oh, yes, I agree with that too. Topics can cross boards after all.
Basically I think this is the ideal situation:
/wc/ pertains too all written work by 4channers and it's critique, only topic filters being global rules
/lit/ pertains to all 4channer made works that do not use (within reasonable grounds*) or insert their writing into the works of others
* meaning that if /lit/ wants to do a deconstruction of fan fiction or something like that, they should be allowed to.
all I really want is for you to delete /pol/ and let the edgelords there split themselves between /his/ and a board for the discussion of world news
/pol/ is the absolute worst thing on the internet
What happens if we insert our work into the work into other works, that's a stupid rule. Shakespere's Bane, Zizek Posting, "Write x in the style of your favourite author" etc threads are great. I see your "within reasonable grounds though" and I can go with that and I like the premise that "all 4channers written work and it's critique can be included" but I think naming it /fic/ or something related to fan fiction is more apt because most of the desired phantasmal writing outlets from across the boards, fall under the "fan fiction" label. I don't think your idea is terrible and I don't care too much what the board is called I just want it not to compromise /lit/ in any way and provide something that's relevant to it's intended core content.
i'm counting on you and the other humble citizens of /his/ to liberate the minds of the lost boys of /pol/
>What happens if we insert our work into the work into other works, that's a stupid rule. Shakespere's Bane, Zizek Posting, "Write x in the style of your favourite author" etc threads are great.
Those are parodies and board games, they are not fan fiction mang. Writing in the style of another artist is not fan fiction, it's just fiction and at worst plagiarism.
By example lit would not allow someone wanting to write smut about Legend of Korra, or someone making a thread about their Star Wars OCs. On other hand it would allow parodies like what you mentioned. It's a very I'll know it when I see it deal.
I wrote you a poem earlier
I call it "Voyages II"
--And yet this great chink of superiority,
Of rimless rules, unfettered >>>/his/ forwardings,
Catamites beated and processioned where
His undying vast hammer moonward bends,
Laughing the saged inflections of our love;
Take this Hir'uki, whose moot's indiscriminate sells
On scrolls of silver IP-ban sentences,
The sceptred terror of whose sessions rends
Philosophic devotion well or ill,
All but the pieties of christfag hands.
And onward, as bells off Pearl Harbor
Salute the displaced clustres of the /phil/osophers,
In these clovered meadows of his strides,--
Adagios of shitposts, O my Prodigal,
Complete the dark confession that most users can hardly spell.
Mark how his turning shoulders bless the hours,
And hasten while his penniless rich palms
(He does it for free) foam and wave,--
Hasten, round the ales, let us toast 'er,
Close round of scotches for our gloating poster.
Bind us in time, O Admin, Nishimura.
O minstrel galleons of Dante's fire,
Bequeath us to no earthly payoff until
Is answered in the vortex of our grave
The janitor's wide spindrift gaze toward paradise.
>tfw anon takes your critique
it's good you reposted it, hiro should know we love him now so he can prepare his anus
Seriously though, the more I read this, the more I like it. It's like the dadaist bits of Howl, it makes me inexplicably happy inside.
Hiro just allow fan fiction on other boards
OR stop listening to random fools on /qa/ that don't know what's good for 4chan but instead want their own personal board. The vocal minority don't need to be given what they want.
No it doesn't. Autistic fucks on /a/ shit on anyone who discusses fanfics so you can't have a single mention of it unless you want every thread derailed. /lit/'s less retarded but goes full autism every so often.
Sup Hiro, I'm liking what you've been up to so far.
For what it's worth, I actually really want a fanfiction board. I'm leaning towards /ff/ for the name, it feels kinda oldschool to me. Seems almost as though a lot of newer boards have to contain part of an actual word, which makes it feel like we're just running out of letters.
Also kinda makes me think of /ss/, which is a famous old board from 7chan, so that's nice too.
I should also say that a lot of people already understand that 'ff' = 'fanfiction', even having never visited the board.
Might be useful if you want to say something like 'hey, check out boards.4chan.org/ff/'. With just a bit of context people would understand what it is even before clicking.
Hiroyuki, if you are going to do this, tell /co/, /tg/, /clg/ and /mlp/. They already have fan fiction threads. /lit/ does not because it is against the rules here. More fan fiction writers will visit those board
/tv/ is shit enough as it is. it's a shared hobby of many boards. i only think it's a bad idea if we don't tell those boards and maybe [a/jp] before /mlp/
because /mlp/ need about two fa/tg/uys, five [s4s] trained shitposters, and a string of /cgl/ aficionados to not have /ff/ become /mlp/2 within hours.
supporting it on original boards is going to get /tv/ getting a lot more slash fiction, and make everyone on those boards pissed off.
keep it between the people who share the hobby if it's going to be a dispute for territory, don't force it on boards which already like to keep a low level of fanfiction. your plan is going to piss off five different hobbies to favour one hobby which could have its own board.
I'm okay with the board, but will there be moderation on other boards once it's done? People will start redirecting to the board for even the smallest things.
I mean, some people already plans to do it: >>>/vg/121222158
Will you ban people redirecting there everytime they get triggered by a couple posted on their threads?
Hiro, I agree with the creation of a fanfiction board, but hear me out: Do not make any more boards after this one for roughly six months. 4chan shouldn't turn into a board dump with every niche topic covered. Keep it at 66 boards.