>>7321173 have these guys 'sobered up', or do they still make jangles for car commercials? I listened to their first album years ago, and my memory of his lyrics is that they were flowery to the point of being a bit try-hard in their references.
>>7321203 Honestly the answer is as simple as I am not familiar with Van Zandts work. I actually strongly dislike country/folk/s-songwriter but I was fortunate enough to grow up with Mclean when I was a kid. I would invite you to listen to such songs as "Vincent" which is perhaps the most /lit/ song I can think of, "American Pie" (duh) knowing that it is about the death of Buddy Holly which he admired dearly and "Magdalene lane".
Additionaly maybe "Mountains O'Mourne" and "Yonkers Girl" of which he wrote neither but it shows his great passion for folk tradition and music (I think most people also agree with my assumption that a great lit songwriter must also have great delivery).
>>7321341 I will happily heighten my interest in McLean then, thank you.
As for Van Zandt (about whom I could say what you say about McLean, I suppose), I recommend that you listen to such songs as "Lungs", "Highway Kind", "Fare Thee Well, Miss Carousel" and "St. John the Gambler".
I'm living where the nights is jet-black The fiends fight to get crack, I just max, I dream I can sit back And lamp like Capone, with drug scripts sewn Or the legal luxury life, rings flooded with stones, holmes I got so many rhymes, I don't think I'm too sane Life is parallel to Hell but I must maintain And be prosperous, though we live dangerous Cops could just arrest me, blaming us, we're held like hostages It's only right that I was born to use mics And the stuff that I write is even tougher than dykes I've taken rappers to a new plateau, through rap slow My rhymin' is a vitamin held without a capsule The smooth criminal on beat breaks Never put me in your box if your shit eats tapes The city never sleeps, full of villains and creeps That's where I learned to do my hustle, had to scuffle with freaks I'm an addict for sneakers, 20's of buddha and bitches with beepers In the streets I can greet ya, about blunts I teach ya Inhale deep like the words of my breath I never sleep, cause sleep is the cousin of death I lay puzzle as I backtrack to earlier times Nothing's equivalent to the New York state of mind
>Excerpt of Mira Gonzalez:
last night i cried for no discernible reason
last night i cried for no discernible reason in an apartment that doesn’t belong to me in front of a person who also doesn’t belong to me (because people can’t own other people)
i say that i don’t like owning things but i’m not sure if that’s entirely accurate
i used to only cry alone i have cried more in front of people in the last 6 months than in the last 5 years of my life combined probably…
crying seems funny, to me
i am on a very crowded train passing grand central station it is 9:01AM and i am officially late for work
i am late for work because i slept 15 minutes past my alarm then i had sex then i stopped for coffee
i am late to work every day when you’re an intern nobody cares what you do
the main thing I am learning at my internship is how to look busy when i’m not doing anything also, i am very good at making photocopies now and putting labels on things
today i got an email from a woman in human resources she was upset because i haven’t gone to any of the ‘intern events’ because the ‘intern events’ count as your lunch break and i want to eat lunch alone i have become very good at avoiding other interns
at 5pm i will take a crowded train to my second job at my second job i have learned how to answer phones and transfer calls to the appropriate extensions and smile at people and bring people coffee and call the car service and process fed ex packages
today my brother emailed me while having a good drug experience i want to have fun when i take drugs but it’s difficult, sometimes
also, i want to lose 20 pounds but i think that is an unrealistic goal considering i don’t exercise and my diet is terrible and i am unmotivated
>>7321392 Btw I guess I should also explain the song Vincent to everyone since I hyped it up to be "the most /lit/ song ever" instead of strangely assuming that everyone would know. The song is about Vincent van Gogh and his painting starry night (among others). Vincent was of course somewhat of a savant, brilliant painter that fequently suffered from bouts of mental illness/depression and eventually ended up killing himself. And if you care to entertain the thought, Don Mclean is touching something very soulful here in this song in the classical theme about the tormented artist creating beautiful works of art through great pain.
>>7321417 triggered. i have gradschool friends who are grills, and this whole 'confessional poetry is subversive regardless of how first-world my suffering is, because i'm a grill' meme is everywhere. also, if you're in an MFA program where 'eating a full cake in front of the class because you're kinda fat and a grill' is considered a poem, just, ughhg
>>7321154 shadowboxin punch the wall one-a-side football what's the score, one-all woulda beena coppa, too small woulda beena jockey, too tall knees up knees up, head the ball nervous energy makes him tick he's a health fanatic he makes you sick
>>7321528 It's inaccurate and his tone is unbearable. He disregards the fact that calling lyrics plain poetry at all is ridiculous because there are vast differences between the two, namely, the fact that lyrics can't really into metre.
Who says they necessarily need to, to be defined as poetry? And which metre? Also, we're not on /mu/ but you should know that music requires metre too, and if you sing something onto a muscal metre you have to combine the musical metre and the lyric. Therefore, those lyrics clearly "can into metre".
>>7321546 Ultra Cave fan here too. He also endorsed a book called American Purgatorio which i read on the basis of. Its nothing special and i imagine that, as a man as well read as he is, he was paid too.
>>7321417 All the self-proclaimed "sad girls" write like this all the time and I never understood why. That poem wouldn't be out of place on an anorexic girl pity-party xanga blog from the early 2000s (and on tumblr today).
>>7321877 What makes Cohen such a fascinating musician is his total ability to surrender himself to the song, enter, and deliver it so personally. On his first three albums there are lapses of poetry that I've yet to hear anything come close to. The Sisters of Mercy, Bird On The Wire, Avalanche. How could you hear a song like Suzanne and say that there's nothing human in his songs? I've never heard anything like that.
>>7321026 I know I'll get shit for this since John Green loves this band, but the Mountain Goats. They feel like Joyce at times, elevating the value of regular shitty life with clever analogies and whatnot.
As much as I don't like The Mountain Goats fanbase, John Darnielle really can be a fantastic writer sometimes. He doesn't fall into that trap many songwriters do of not telling a story with a song, or of just pumping out borderline gibberish.
Also his novel Wolf in White Van, while overwrought, was quite beautifully written as well.
To name another favourite of teenage girls I would say Mewithoutyou have some really well written songs.
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