>buy avant garde novel consisting of 500 blank pages
>print out lengthy strings of numbers from a random number generator
>Got bored with genre fiction
>Got bored with literature
>Mostly read poetry and political philosophy
>Learning Mandarin to read even more esoteric shit
I don't know if this qualifies as patrician or just generally pretentious
>own hundreds of books
>all bought brand new
>all dead authors
I can't stop buying them... I buy 5-10 new books a week. Help.
I've read all of Timecube and wrote the author a letter.
State champion athlete in several sports in several states. I've made 1,000 lb combined powerlifting totals and placed top 20% in a major marathon in the same week.
I subscribe to several biology journals and frequently correspond with the authors.
STEM degree from an Ivy League university and publications in prestigious science journals.
MFA from a top program.
Published novelist and poet.
I've trancended irony and create flowcharts detailing the literary merit of drugstore romance novels
I'd post some but I'm afraid they're all in cuneiform
I collect books in my basket and add new ones almost every time I browse /lit/. Whenever I end up needing to buy something off Amazon, all the books come with it because I don't want to remove them from the order. Fuck.
>1,000 lb combined powerlifting totals and placed top 20% in a major marathon in the same week.
If legit, that's pretty nuts.
>In Vietnamese Wong
>(Self-)Published novelist and poet.
American high schools and universities use their own rule set called collegiate or scholastic that's similar to freestyle but pretty much objectively better because it didn't evolve to suit television like freestyle.
I've duplicates of about 5 or so books because they became damaged before I got around to reading them (Spilled drinks, became bent from carrying around in a bag etc). Haven't yet forgotten what I own. I'm sure that'll come soon.
Being part of the aristocracy, I do not buy or sell goods like a sneaky merchant who travel in long ships. My household is mostly self sustaining, though it occasionally occasionally I have to go raiding so I can bring home more metal and women. I also have to make sure I have guest gifts on hand for all of the other aristocrats I entertain, though this isn't a problem because so often I am on the receiving end as well.
it has three in that example. stress breaks down like this
speaKING enTIREly IN iAMBS for YOU
iambic pentameter is what shakespeare wrote in usually. it is five sets of (short syllable stress)(long syllable stress).
a set of (short syllable stress)(long syllable stress) is an iamb, a unit of poetic meter, and the pentameter part means 5 of the meter
so a line of shakespearean verse usually sounds like
diDAH diDAH diDAH diDAH diDAH
but SOFT what LIGHT through YONder WINdow BREAKS
sometimes the long stress comes at the start of the word because the word before has ended on the start of an iamb and it needs the DAH of the next word to close that iamb.
There aren't any enjoyable or interesting books. At all. I read the so-called greatest works ever written and hate and criticize them like YA novels.
That is the true secret of being a patrician.
No, you are not actually. Not even close.
/u u/u u /u u / if entirely is 3 syllables, which it's not so /u u/uu u /u u / is probably what you wrote.
Please ignore this guy >>7323599
He has no clue what he's talking about. You don't pronounce speaking with the emphasis on the ing. While of course you arbitrarily could, it goes against all conventions of language. Same for iambs, you accent the i not the ambs.
When you say iambic, you accent the amb part, but when you say iamb you accent the i. Jeez, freaking lit board can't even do basic metrical analysis. And the in is definitely not accented. To prove my point, just read the line normally (except entirely as enTIREly). It should generate a three feel like BOO bah bah BOO bah bah BOO bah bah BOO. Of course, that pronunciation of entirely is stretching it also.
What should have been said:
I only speak in iambs grouped in fives.
In older literature, the ed of grouped would get its own syllable, but not in modern english.
Similar feel incoming. All I read these days is analytic philosophy or stuff regarding WW1. I'm also learning German for no particular reason.
>Hey, anon! I heard you read a lot. What are you currently reading?
>Insensitive Semantics: A Defense of Semantic Minimalism and Speech Act Pluralism
If you're like me, no one thinks you're patrician or pretentious; people just think you're a weird faggot.
Hahaha, you don't know how long or short vowels or syllables work. And you're trying to make other people as retarded as you. Back to hooked on phonics for you.
>You don't pronounce speaking with the emphasis on the ing.
you don't break the syllable at speak- ing. And if you did, you're probably someone who drops their gs. Get off my /lit/ hillbilly.
Yup, and I've probably read more Shakespearean scholarship than you. We could talk about Stoppard's Dogg's Hamlet and Cahoot's Macbeth edits if you were too, but I think Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are dead are probably the best you've heard of from him.
>. It's earned not taken or self realised.Stupid children.
Daily reminder that Octavius was a plebeian horse boy who won over the patrician republicans, and became emperor without ever being able to "earn" patricianhood like everyone else who needed to marry to gain the status for their children.
i actually haven't posted in this thread except to ask if you're a native speaker, and hoped for your sake that the answer was no. i teach poetry classes to creative writing students and stopped by the thread to tell you that you're actually very stupid. not sure what shakespeare scholarship has to do with this conversation; shakespeare wrote in iambs sure but then so did hundreds of other poets. i recommend you read some books, i wrote up a pastebin a while ago that might be able to help you out
hope it helps, the list of technical books in the first little section should be what you're looking for
I'm currently writing a short-story based on Borges as a sort-of-but-not-really love confession. It's prolly going to fail tremendously, but it's a nice exersice, and I'm probably never going to see her again. C'est la vie.
the stress is on the long E sound, which is a part of the first syllable. the word is divided into two syllables, the first being speak and the second being -ing. since the stress is on a vowel in the first syllable, the first syllable is the stressed one. I'm not sure why even if you think the second syllable is stressed you included the "K" with it in
because the K is attached to the first syllable. you don't arbitrarily choose where the stress goes, that's not how it works. Either the whole syllable is stressed or none of it is, and in this case the long e as in spēaking is stressed, therefore SPEAKing.
Saying the word "speaking" out loud, or google "define speaking" and click thr audio symbol to hear it pronounced: the emphasis is rising in the first syllable until it peaks at ēak, then falls back down as you pronounce -ing. Emphasis makes stress, so it's SPEAKing.
If you're emphasising the -ing half of the word, you're mispronouncing it and wrenching syllables.
Now, maybe IPA, Shakespeare, and everyone who works on language is getting it wrong and you're the only one dividing the syllables right. But I doubt that, anon. I really doubt that. And either way, Shakespearean experts and phonetics experts like the IPA are going to mark me down for using your idiosyncratic methods of pronunciation, which they consider wrong.
I don't think I'll be switching to your register any time soon.
please for your sake read a book on this. I know you haven't or else you wouldn't be embarrassing yourself.
here, I even copy and pasted it for you
>Poetic Meter and Poetic Form - Paul Fussell
>Western Wind: An Introduction to Poetry - David Mason & John Frederick Nims
>A Poetry Handbook - Mary Oliver
>Rhyme's Reason - John Hollander
>The Ode Less Traveled - Stephen Fry (it's useful and worth reading despite the author of it)
Poetic Meter and Poetic Form is usually the gold standard for this, although Fry's book is good for laymen.
i hope you know phonetic division and actual syllable division aren't always the same thing
for example, phonetically the phrase "an aim" could be divided "a|naim" but an aim is obviously two separate words and therefore the N is not a separate syllable from the word AN. again, please read a book.
and shakespeare knew how to write an iamb, which you obviously do not
IPA uses : to mark syllable division
Learn to read, Shakespeare uses the same division in his iambs. Stop being so butthurt about being wrong, it happens to the best of us, though usually not on matters that a six year old can get right.
okay this is my last attempt at showing you that you're wrong; if you still don't understand after I'm giving up on you lad
Show me, using uppercase letters, which syllables of the following two lines you think are stressed:
>'Tis hard to say, if greater want of skill
>Appear in writing or in judging ill;
This isn't me, but if this anon could read IPA, he'd have pointed out ' and , mark stresses of syllables, which can be altered in iambs.
How about I just let you continue to lecture people without basis because I find you hilarious, especially since you want an easier method of discerning stress than any of the methods like IPA which have been developed to show stress. I don't need to explain to you further why you're wrong, you're insistent on continuing to be wrong. Go with God, I'm not your third grade English teacher.
So mad he's wrong.
>m8, metrical stress and lexical stress aren't the same thing.
didn't >>7327002 just say that
>' and , mark stresses of syllables, which can be altered in iambs.
This thread is becoming hilarious, how many anons are arguing over something you can find just by looking at a dictionary?
uh, the opposite stresses to the ones he gave for lexical stress. it doesn't make the syllable division different, it makes the metrical stress the opposite of the lexical stress because it's metered.
my friend phonetically yes speaking is spea king but the syllables are speak-ing
and in poetry the foot is speak-ing, and in am iambic line it's SPEAKing, in metrical stress it's SPEAKing, which is what we've been talking about this whole time but for some reason I only recently realized you all thought lexical and metrical stresses are the same thing
no, you've got it backwards, kid. You also don't know what half the words you're using mean, but we'll get over that.
I'm trying to help you out by pointing out that IPA would give the stress and syllables as SPEA king.
Jesus, I'm teaching a retard class with case changes, please destroy EarthPutting it in iambic meter would change the stress to spea KING.
God, that's worse than thesaurus rapists who write.
>No, the IPA they used during that time was different.
lolwut. The only contemporary system you could call close at the time was the one being used to write Native American languages. IPA didn't exist until there was enough exploring done to make an International Phonetic Alphabet.
I like your trollan have a bump and video with Thomas Harriot's alphabet in it. [starts at 46:00]
For anyone interested in phonetic changes, one of the most recent ones is that change between Where being pronounced Hwere, which only changed about the Edwardian era to our pronunciation being more common.
>Putting it in iambic meter would change the stress to spea KING.
Not that guy but that's not how iambs work. An iamb is unstressed stress yes but the entire point of this conversation is that it's stressed SPEAKing, or SPEA king whatever. It's a trochee. Meter doesn't change the stress of a word, that's called wrenching and it's frowned upon. The stress of a word is inherent. So the original line
>speaking entirely in iambs for you
Is not iambic, because SPEAKing/SPEA king enTIREly in Iambs for you is not even close to speaKING enTIREly IN iAMBS for YOU
This entire time you people were arguing over agreeing with each other. Except the first guy that replied to the namefag Feste guy, he's an autist.
>know nothing about iambic pentameter except how to speak the first couple of lines of Ovid's Metamorphoses and that Shakespeare wrote in it
>witness crazy argument and shitflinging for hours with no idea who's right
I love this place