>told him to write an epic narrative and create the entire blueprint for all future works written within that genre all while creating his own languages and setting them within a mythological world of his own design >he did it the absolute madman!
>>7337910 It's not a meme. It is of popular consensus that Tolkien was good but not a genius. I mean, you don't have to know much to tell that there is more to literature than worldbuilding. Source: someone who doesn't know much.
>>7337922 >popular consensus Your consensus. What are you trying to say in that post? He built an entire ten-thousand-year history, complete with dialogue, though whether it may be historic recording or first-hand narrative can never be known. Tolkien never completed it within his own life.
>>7337931 What did he excel in? What did he not excel in? Do you have any actual input or just what you read from the "Critical Reception" on Wikipedia?
>>7337931 >First off, this patrician/pleb dichotomy is dumb. Pleb detected. It the patrician/pleb dichotomy is dumb, you could surely provide some arguments in favor of your claim? >I would classify Tolkien as a great storyteller and worldbuilder Would you mind to explain your classification system? >but he didn't excel in much else You really don't know anything about him, do you? Have you even skimmed his wiki-entry?
>>7337967 >>7337969 Don't get so buttblasted, fanboy. The fact that you used the same wikipedia insult twice shows a bit of projection. You know why nobody has a strong opinion about Tolkien here? He's not literature.
>>7338018 Ok first off you fucking at beg for it why do you even for that. With your stoop?
Fucking laughable you autistic idiot.
I even went for that that which he Tolkien's FIRST. Just because you forgot about it, where in there was do have forty at least between. I can't needling DEAL with shitposters like you. Grow the front guy hate behind UP.
>>7337969 >you could surely provide some arguments in favor of your claim? Classifying something as pleb or patrician is completely baseless. What is important to one schlub isn't important to another schlub, and there is no such thing as objective goodness in art. To clarify, there isn't one particular indicator or trait that qualifies something as good. You could definitely make arguments on the complexity or skillfulness of something, but whether or not that makes it patrish is subjective. >Would you mind to explain your classification system? He tells story. I like story. He is great to me. >but he didn't excel in much else I meant in literary things. And by I "excel," I meant "truly phenomenal." Why don't you tell me something he was phenomenal at that isn't mentioned on the Wikipedia page.
>>7338046 You are mixing things up about the dichotomy, that's possible if you are new here or don't like to think. I guess I'll have to explain the p/P-dichotomy in layman's terms to you for a better understanding. The use of the dichotomy can be applied in three ways. 1) On art and writing Let's use a pragmatic approach and see how the meme is used on 4chan on writing and art: purely commercial writing, writing solely for fame, money and wish fulfillment, uninformed writing, having low standards on the author, having low standards on the audience, clicheed writing - that's pleb. The contrary, that's patrician. >If you "like" or "don't like" something is no indicator of it's "Patrizierhaftigkeit". >In fact, I myself like some pleb writers and loathe some patrician writers and vice versa. 2) On artists and writers Let's use the pragamtic approach again: To be mentioned as a patrician writer on 4chan you have to either: - excel on your academic/literary field - life a live of misery, neetdom and loneliness >Therefore Tolkien is a patrician, he was a university professor for english language and literature, he inspired generations of fantasy writers 3) Critics In this thread we are acting as critics on Tolkien. Good and bad criticism coincides with patrician and pleb criticism. Good criticism cites sources, explains it's arguments and leaves pure opinion at the door. Good criticism is the opposite of "completely baseless" classification. That's something you'd learn in text analysis 101.
> Why don't you tell me something he was phenomenal at that isn't mentioned on the Wikipedia page. I'm not sure if you are a master ruseman or just plain, since everything great one does would surely be mentioned on wiki.
To sum it up: >LoTR is patrician >Tolkien is patrician >you are a pleb
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