In 2010, NASA physicist Harold White revealed that he and a team were working on a design for a faster-than-light ship. Now he's collaborated with an artist to create a new, more realistic design of what such a ship might actually look like.
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It's just concept art, but it seems like they're having a pretty good idea of what a warp ship would look like, and they're planning experiments, too. Interesting times we live in, indeed.
Trust me on this, do not be part of the maiden FTL voyage.
>>It's just concept art, but it seems like they're having a pretty good idea of what a warp ship would look like
It seems like the only important part is the two rings, the inside could look like anything.
Yep, it's fucking nothing.
> it seems like they're having a pretty good idea of what a warp ship would look like
Wouldn't a large part of the design depend on how the actual FTL drive works? It does remind me of a story I read on some site a year or so back about a theoretical FTL drive whose required energy output was comparable to that of the total output of Jupiter or something though. Think it had something to do with the cosmic web. Really wish I could remember more about that story - was interesting.
Yeah. Also, even aside from the Event Horizon stuff, I wonder if an Alcubierre drive might be able to cause a lot of inadvertent damage. Since it works by compressing and expanding space, what happens if the ship is too close to another (or even a planet) and expands or compresses the space the object occupies?
Cause you didn't read it right? It's not like the team actually hopes to achieve this by any set date. They're not even working on it at all beyond the theory and physics behind the drive most likely. It's just a design put out for funsies essentially.
>Cause you didn't read it right?
A million nerds would simultaneously cream their pants if that were the case. I can't imagine such an important event not being recorded and broadcasted. Thinking about it, the type of person who would volunteer for such a test flight would likely be into sci-fi as well, so there's a chance it could happen.
There's a decent chance IMO. If we're really going to do space exploration, there's such a cultural debate to Star Trek, that giving it the ultimate shout-out wouldn't be out of place
Catastrophic destruction most likely though you would likely have computer systems that would prevent the drive from activating anywhere near a sizable gravity well.
I desperately hope I live long enough to see man achieve FTL.
Is looking at this getting anybody else sort of misty eyed? I mean a few years back even contemplating an FTL capable ship was a giant case of "shut up nerd" by most scientists standards. Now... at least now... here's what it could look like.
It's not actually any closer to possible now than it was 10/20 years ago though really - it's just people are a bit more hopeful about the future because we're not just coming out of a cold war.
How is it not at least a little more possible? The best science used to say it was utterly impossible. Now the best science says it's really hard and may not be possible. That's a huge shift.
The alcubierre drive has been kicking around as an idea for 20 years now. One of the many technical limitations on it has been reduced by a bit, but that's about the only thing that's really changed in those 20 years as far as I'm aware. It's still a distant pipe dream with lots of hurdles to overcome, some of which may not be possible to do. I doubt people being more hopeful about it is at all to do with that slight change in it's possibility, so much as a general change in the zeitgeist.
There are guys at NASA doing experiments of some sort with regards to warp drive. That's a hell of a lot different than the former line on such things, which was "lol no." Common man, this is huge. It could still pan out to be nothing but a dead end crock of shit sure, but how is this not a good step in the right direction?
I never said people weren't taking steps in the right direction - only that I don't attribute the change in attitude to the tiny steps being taken towards it's possibility, but vice-versa - that people are taking those steps because they're more hopeful regardless.
I'm honestly not sure it can be attributed to the end of the cold war, though. Remember, the Cold War was arguably the primary impetus behind the space program; we both wanted to prove the superiority of our principles over those of Communism through our scientific achievements (such as getting to the moon) and gain a military advantage through satellites and space stations and stuff. If the USSR was still with us today, I might argue that Alcubierre's theories would be getting even more attention than they are now; perhaps the Department of Defense would be putting a lot of money into warp research to make, say, super-fast ships--imagine a spy plane like the Blackbird (fastest ever made) with warp engines. Although, like we mentioned above, use in an atmosphere might blow up the whole planet...though that might be a useful deterrent if the Cold War was still going on.
How? The only two things that have actually changed are:
> absolutely ludicrous amounts of energy necessary is now reduced to just plain ludicrous amounts of energy
> there was one test done - results inconclusive
It's still basically as far of now as it was when it was proposed for all intents and purposes. And yet, people are more hopeful about it regardless. In fact, people were willing to research in to those two things even before either of them were announced. My point is that people have been rather hopeful about this shit for like, a decade or more now - it just wasn't the heads of NASA or other people you'd see interested, it was the students in college and young workers that weren't as old and jaded. One replaced the other as the dominant figures and the general mood regarding it has become more hopeful. Those steps are only been taken because the mood regarding this kind of thing has been improving for the last 20 odd years.
The last lunar mission was in 1972. There was no other competition between the US and USSR in the nearly 20 years following that before the Cold War was officially over. I doubt something so theoretically implausible as the alcubierre drive would have changed that to be honest. I also don't think the Cold War was the sole impetus for the change in mood towards this kind of research, but I would imagine it plays a fairly significant part at least.
The private sector will get there first, which means the first interstellar ship will be crewed by C-list celebrities on a reality show and their mission will be to advertise soft drinks to aliens.
I really wish space elevator would show up here.
At the very least, this would possibly help us figure out if tachyons and other exotic matter actually exist. Given the recent observation of inflation, if correct, would prove that ftl is a possibility and has happened before.
See this is what is stupid to me. The first flight/test of a NEW TECHNOLOGY is the most evil thing and suddenly we're in God's domain.
Imagine if there was a movie about the Wright Brothers flying their plane and coming back as demons because height connects you to hell or something. Would you want something like that?
>This entire Warp Drive concept was inspired by Star Trek in the first place.
I've heard that Alcubierre actually included "Z.Cochrane" in his paper detailing his idea for a warp drive, twenty years ago.
I might watch it, but only if there was a scene where the protagonist casually dismisses the big bad guy's desperate offer to join his side.
What's the worst that could happen?
Planets become more disposable and environmentalism is dead.
The only reason I care about this planet is because it's the only one within traveling distance that I can actually breathe in.
Also, we may get enslaved by some galactic empire that assumes we're nonsentient since they don't use sound to communicate.
It'd be like splitting the atom all over again. Nations will race out and build space military capability.
If we fuck up and all out interplanetary warfare results extinction becomes a likely possibility.
We survived the Cold War without nuclear armageddon mostly due to dumb fucking luck and we still aren't out of the woods yet.
I think he means WH40k chaos.
We assume rocks aren't sentient because they don't have blood and can't talk but how can you REALLY know? Maybe everything can talk and we just can't hear it. Maybe all the asteroids are alien colonies full of living alien water and they already colonized the Earth and made the oceans and stuff, and we drink thousands of water molecules a day without realizing that they're alive and reproducting in our stomachs.
Like dude. What if we're so retarded we don't even know it. You don't know. You don't know.
FTL = Causality violation = Time Travel
Not him but i think you may have used a bad example to say what you meant. But yeah an alien race that uses a form of communication undetectable telpathy for example or something we couldn't even conceive would be detrimental to any attempts of communication.
Reminds me of yukikaze.
Third book when?
Happy to see such optimism here but remember that this design, is based over discovering material that may not actually exist and a power source that may not be ever feasible.
I wouldn't be surprise if 100 years later we completely replaced our hope over the Alcubierre drive by something else. Be it a spaceship, a stargate.or some sort of teleporting machine
That's only a semantic problem.
We are basing speed over the movement of atoms like the photon, which is massless and well...fucking fast. This is why going faster would violate Causality.
However most warp drive ideas are about taking a shortcut outside the known law of the universe.
Think of it more as "rewriting some constant of the universe" than going faster than light.
An analogy would be to imagine the universe like a big simulation on a "magic" computer than encompass the multiverse. Warping or going FTL would be like finding a glitch or unexpected interaction that allow you to "cheat".
Anyway, this is all fiction from now
What if you made the human crew experience time differently, lowering metabolism rate, somehow manipulating the speed of their nervous system so they can stand there for 10 minutes and when it's really been 10 years? And the crew was actually a dedicated tribe that never left the ship, so their descendants carried on their great mission when they eventually died?
First we start off by sending them to different moons within Sol, for trial runs, if that works then we can attempt Arcturus, send them off and cross our fingers they eventually come back and share their knowledge.
Yes, "The Lady that Sailed the Soul" was a great short story and a pretty nice love story between two folks who were ever-so-slightly autistic in how they clinged to their own standards of propriety.
>isn't dangerous to breath in.
Let me rephrase this since I had just woke up. Only long thin carbon nanotubes are dangerous so far, “What we know is that some forms of nanotubes, particularly long, thin carbon nanotubes have the potential to cause mesothelomia [a form of lung cancer].”
>Alice and Bob are working on interstellar space travel techniques. Alice makes a spaceship that flies at 99.9% the speed of light, and decides to take off for the far reaches of space (it's only going to take her 66 subjective days to reach a star 4 light-years away, but over 4 years of earth time).
>Meanwhile, Bob keeps working. About 3 years after Alice left, Bob suddenly discovers instantaneous travel. Woohoo! So, he teleports over to Alice's ship to laugh at her.
>He shows up 45-ish days into Alice's travels. Does his gloating, and then offers to take her back with him. They then teleport back to Earth.
>But, here's the problem. According to Alice, Earth's timeframe had only advanced a small fraction of the 45 days -- to her, the Earth was going very slow. In fact, to her, the Earth had only rotated twice around its axis in the time she had left. Therefore, when they teleport back, they would be at 2 days after she left.
>This means Bob is now 3 years in his past.
>Hence, Faster-than-light made for time travel.
I remember hearing about an old story about a train that went an impossible 80 MILES PER HOUR, and periodically had to stop every few minutes so the passenger's souls could catch up with their bodies.
That's what happens when you start moving at infinite speed. What's even wackier is that at that point, you're considered to literally be at all places in space-time, which when you think about it a little makes it make a bit more sense- you can literally move faster than yourself, in some sense.
The problem lies in the "Exotic Matter" which theoretically exist but no one has ever been able to find, and that system requires a lot of it, in the order of a few tons.
As of now we can't produce any significant amount of Antimatter something that we do know that exist and can create. So this "project" is, at least for me, just a ruse to get tax money.
>according to alice
That timeframe would only apply wherever alice was located, not on Earth where in all actuality 3 years had already passed.
Shit tier bait.
But that's not what happened in the story. 45 days passed for her but 3 years passed for him. So from that we can gather that when under warp time slows down. You're still moving forward in time albeit at a slower pace then someone not under warp. So when he teleports into her ship, he's now under the effects of slowed time. When he teleports out he's not going to be three years in the past
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Only light originating from your frame I think. Light from different frames would be distorted.
>Imagine if there was a movie about the Wright Brothers flying their plane and coming back as demons because height connects you to hell or something. Would you want something like that?
Uh, that actually sounds amazing
It would however be pretty hard to manage given the length of their first flight.
> On December 17, 1903, Orville Wright piloted the first powered airplane 20 feet above a wind-swept beach in North Carolina. The flight lasted 12 seconds and covered 120 feet.
You wouldn't even lose sight of them. Hell, you could hold your breath for the length of time it'd take for them to take off, land and possibly even come back to you - dependent on your lung size/stamina. Pretty hard to imagine how they could be infected during that.
The Wright story is problematic, since hot air balloons ascended to great heights above and beyond anything the Wright brothers ever did, over a hundred years earlier. And in the speed department, trains on the surface were far faster in those days. You'd have to spin it in a very different way or ignore the rest of history. Though the idea itself sounds amazing, I just can't figure how to spin it in a way that'd still adhere to the historical stuff.
With trains of that era you have the engineer overseeing the boiler and while he can control the speed he's confined to staying on man-made rails so it's technology which does the vast majority of the work. With hot air balloons you're able to control your altitude but you're still dependent on the different wind currents at different altitudes to carry you along so it's nature. In both cases there is a human operator but they don't have the freedom of control over the vehicle or craft like an airplane pilot does. It's that complete and total control that draws in angry demons that seek to possess you.
You can't go faster than light.
Even going exactly below the speed of light would make interstellar space travel unfeasible. Hell, even communicating with other ships or back earth would be ridiculous because of relativity, as well as returning back with materials/samples/whatever after who knows how many ages have passed back on earth.
It's gotta be teleportation or bust
For those interested, glorious formula to calculate Time Dilation.
That's a little bit backwards. Event Horizon's engine was very specifically an engine that opened portals to Hell. Nobody realized that though (debatably, depending on how much you believe Weir knew, when). All anybody saw was the side effect - that doing so twice gave you FTL.
So it's not really as if EH went FTL, and then, somewhere in Hell, the ``HUMANS ARE BREAKING THE LAWS OF PHYSICS'' alarm went off, causing Beelzebub and a few of his buddies to show up and punish the crew. EH went to Hell just like an ICE burns gasoline, but as a side effect it broke the `laws' of physics.
Most of these FTL drives aren't going close to the speed of light, they just give the impression of it. What they do is bend, twist, fold, compress space until you have a short distance to go to get to where you wanted to go. Then it undoes all of it and now you're where you wanted to be.
Nah, they went to something useful - like beating up prisoners in illegal detention centers, building even more weapons that'll never be used, beefing up security at airports to prevent attacks that'll almost certainly never happen, rescuing banks and so on. God knows we need to fire even more money at that kind of stuff rather than expand our horizons and research technology that could actually be useful in the long run. Who would ever want that kind of thing?
Yeah, it's ridiculous. People complain about welfare and NASA eating tax dollar, but in reality they don't even make up more than one or two percent of what the money actually gets spent on.
>1903, Kitty Hawk
>priest at a pulpit
"And God gave us the Earth for our domain to use as we see fit... now I don't know about you..."
>Plane starts up
"But I don't see anything about the Air."
>Plane starts up and is rocketed into the sky as we hear a howling gale
>Wilbur rushes to the crash site
"Orville! Good blazes, what happened?"
>Orville Wright is pale and clammy
"I am fine... brother."
>Orville's wife goes to her pastor
"I need your help Father, my husband he... he's not himself..."
>Orville carving flying demons on a piece of wood, muttering latin
>Wilbur gets confronted by some Steel manufacturers
"We've had it with your shenanigans, you hooligan! Your brother's unwell and you want to go and try again?"
"It was just an updraft. I assure you, your trains will still run, this plane can still fly..."
>Orville Wright painting his face in red and stalking women
"And my brother is of sound mind and body."
>stabbing and laughing, the woman screaming
"It's written in the Good Book! God is angry with us..."
>looking at angels weighing things down
"We were not damned for knowing the truth of gravity. We were damned for defying it!"
>Orville Wright's skin is purple and peeling and he's growing horns
"WE HAVE TO STOP THAT PLANE!!!"
"I don't understand, I am revolutionizing travel!"
"Yes, you don't understand. You don't understand what you've unleashed."
>Orville's body contorts and he vomits a black egg in a snarl
"Your brother is gone. Whatever he is, whatever that THING is, it's angry and it's coming for us..."
>Wilbur attacks his brother with a shovel, now with scaly wings
>cut to black
"And I don't think it's alone..."
>Demon!Orville roars at the sky as a swarm of demons falls from the heavens
>Last Flight: The Kitty Hawk Massacre
NASA NEEDS STOP WASTING TAX PAYER MONEY
It's especially hilarious when you consider some of the retarded shit that the military has sunk money in to over the years in terms of weapons research and development (love bombs, strapping bombs to bats and dolphins etc) along with the various scandals that organizations like the CIA and FBI have (probably) been involved in like Iran-Contra and what have you. The military gets so much money that they literally just throw it anything so that their budget doesn't get reduced the following year. Meanwhile, NASA is basically begging for money for most of their projects, millions live on the streets and so on.
>The military gets so much money that they literally just throw it anything so that their budget doesn't get reduced the following year.
This right here. Most people don't even realize it. My friend who served in the military has so many stories of commanding officers making sure they spent more budget than they actually needed for equipment/supplies just so that their budget allowance wouldn't get reduced in the future.
You have no idea. I did 7+ years as an aircraft maintainer for the USAF, would still be in if it wasn't for my illness. The overpriced shit we had to buy for aircraft parts, not to mention the fraud waste and abuse ie. our squadron bought 50" flat screens that sat in the storage room for years before someone finally did something with them. There's tons of that shit that goes on.
Yeah, I have a few of those stories to, but it's the name of the game even if I don't agree. It's easier to spend money on things you don't need then to beg and plead for money when you finally do need it.