>>11184819 Well, if you want other reasons, like good suits in bad shows, I'm going to put down Federation grunts in AGE. They and their kits are fantastic but they had the misfortune of being in a terrible show.
Are you illiterate or just stupid? Anon mean if you are ill, your booger colour turns. Booger colours of more intense colour of yellow or green means your body is dealing with an infection - or more specifically - expelling said infection and getting better.
Snots are NOT green in general. He wants you to find a better example.
>>11185360 Nah you're just crazy or autistic. While you can get all technical, it's not uncommon for snot to be associated with that shade of green. Cartoon illustriations and other shit often use that shade of green.
And fuck, I don't even know why you're getting worked up when anon seems to have let it slide or taken the following response in jest.
>>11186990 >Responsible for creating the United Earth Sphere Alliance through superior firepower Actually, UESA was formed in AC133, some 40+ years before the Leo.
>Hardpoints can allow the pilot to equip almost any weapon It doesn't have any hardpoints, except for a rarely seen shoulder attachment for the dobergun. All other weapons are hand-carried, The Leo command type has larger shoulder armor with beam cannons.
>The only mobile suit that could stand a chance against them before the Gundams were the Maganac Corps That's not saying much when there are no other mobile suits to compare with because no one else besides the Maganacs have MS. Maganac MS are easily superior to Leos. The Maganacs even held off a Virgo assault for a few hours, waiting for Quatre to come back and reclaim the rebuilt Sandrock.
>>11187229 I don't recall the Rick Dom II getting any on screen kills in 0080. And the Doms were complete jobbers against anyone with plot armor in 0083. I mean a Dom got stopped in its tracks by a GM 90mm when the armor should be thick enough to at least tank any shots that didn't hit non vital areas, let alone completely stop.
Also most people only consider mobile suit kills to count with the Doms never getting a kill.
>>11187278 Dom II got a GM kill when Bernie was infiltrating the colony. Although that's really it. One got a GM in its sturmfaust splash-damage but it's hard to call it a kill. The one that shot Alex down in the simulator doesn't exactly count but could be taken into account for its performance, I guess.
Can't say for 0083. I only remember a Dom taking out a gun battery in one of the battles.
And if you really wanted to stretch it, there's the Dom here.
>>11187278 >I don't recall the Rick Dom II getting any on screen kills in 0080 GMs job like crazy in 0080, so the Rick Dom II gets at least one of those kills.
>And the Doms were complete jobbers against anyone with plot armor in 0083. Anything will lose to anything else when plot armor's involved. On the other hand, those Doms that assaulted the Torrington base had a field day.
>I mean a Dom got stopped in its tracks by a GM 90mm when the armor should be thick enough to at least tank any shots that didn't hit non vital areas, let alone completely stop. Doms aren't that heavily armored. Yes, they're typically thought of as "heavy assault" MS, but that has to do more with their speed and armament than heavy armor.
The Dom series might be bulky, but that's actually because they just have more inner space to hold propellant. The Rick Dom and Rick Dom II are actually lighter than Zaku II F and F2 types going by net mass, suggesting that they -don't- have thicker armor, and that most of their gross mass is propellant.
>>11187319 I'd have to look it up again but I believe the reason the Doms were lighter was because they were designed specifically for terrestrial use, as opposed to the Zakus which were either directly ported from space, or hastily covered for land type combat by removing unnecessary verniers. Weight was never a major factor for the Zaku in space because it was low gravity or Zero G combat, however on earth, that was a different matter, and even with heavier armor, the Dom would still need to be lighter to keep it from burning out. The Doms didn't need extra room for fuel since it was mainly powered by the three nuclear reactors it had. It was only the Rick Dom that they hollowed out to hold more propellent since the main advantage the Dom had on ground, was lost in space, so there was no reason to have the two extra reactors for its legs.
The only decent footage I have a Dom's armor working would be from the MGS movies >>11187278 where the Rick Dom is easily tanking the GM's 60mm vulcans even at point blank range, where earlier in the series, a Zaku was ripped to shreds by the Gundam's vulcans. Yes, the rick dom got immediately bisected by the beam saber, but it still survived the gun fire intact showing it did have hardy armor.
>GMs job like crazy in 0080 No joke, I remember the dossier video for the GM command video, and all it showed was them getting blown up. The Rick Dom and GM Command are the ultimate jobbers of the UC universe.
>>11187680 >I'd have to look it up again but I believe the reason the Doms were lighter was because they were designed specifically for terrestrial use Actually, I looked up some more specs, and I just noticed that the land use Dom has a net mass of 62.6 tons (Prototype Dom: 60.9 tons, Dom Tropical test type: 65.1 tons), which is frankly pretty damn high. The space use Rick Dom is nearly 20 tons lighter at 43.8 tons. Supposedly the Dom was easily converted to work into space (on paper at least) by switching out the thermonuclear jets for rockets, which implies the Dom and Rick Dom bodies are more or less identical and that the Rick Dom's difference in mass are internal changes.
That said... the Dom Tropen and Dwadge are only 43-44 tons net mass, and those are Earth-use only. Either there's some kind of technical discrepancy.
>as opposed to the Zakus which were either directly ported from space, or hastily covered for land type combat by removing unnecessary verniers. Weight was never a major factor for the Zaku in space because it was low gravity or Zero G combat Well, if we take the Gouf as a mobile suit designed specifically for land use instead of being hastily stripped down like the Zaku II J/JC types, it still doesn't save much weight at all. Zaku and Gouf are nearly the same in net mass.
>The only decent footage I have a Dom's armor working would be from the MGS movies >>11187278 where the Rick Dom is easily tanking the GM's 60mm vulcans even at point blank range, where earlier in the series, a Zaku was ripped to shreds by the Gundam's vulcans. Yes, the rick dom got immediately bisected by the beam saber, but it still survived the gun fire intact showing it did have hardy armor. Hand carried MS machine guns seem to be in a whole different class compared to head vulcans. Honestly, it's probably just not very consistent.
>>11187758 No, it's a complete writeoff. Durandal arranges for Athrun to be assigned to another MS but something else in the story happens and that suit goes to someone else, if you don't want spoilers.
>>11187767 >Actually, I looked up some more specs, and I just noticed that the land use Dom has a net mass of 62.6 tons (Prototype Dom: 60.9 tons, Dom Tropical test type: 65.1 tons), which is frankly pretty damn high. The space use Rick Dom is nearly 20 tons lighter at 43.8 tons. Supposedly the Dom was easily converted to work into space (on paper at least) by switching out the thermonuclear jets for rockets, which implies the Dom and Rick Dom bodies are more or less identical and that the Rick Dom's difference in mass are internal changes. That's what I said, less elegantly though. Dom and Rick Dom look alive, minus the thrusters in feet and backpack and everything that the Dom used that wasn't useful in space was taken out. Which made a huge difference as opposed to the Zaku F and J conversion.
As for the Gouf, that was designed by Zeonic, while the Dom was from Zimmad, I'm making the assumption there were different design philosophies at play. As for the Tropen and Dwadge, there isn't a real rational explanation as to how how you can still keep the same fundamentals of the Dom, while shedding almost a third of the weight.
I was also just making the observation that the Dom had thicker armor than the Zaku. Another example would be in 08th MS Team where the Dom attacking Karen took a direct hit in the back from the Guntanks's cannons. Meanwhile the Guncannon's shot ripped right through a Zaku.
It's a pity that in both SEED and Destiny Athrun ditched a cool suit to go with a shittier one. I quite like the knight aesthetic of the Justice suits, but beyond that I don't really care for either. The same is true of upgrades all round in SEED/Destiny actually. Strike and Impulse are nicer suits than their upgrades too. Oh well.
>>11188292 I liked the freedom more than the strike and the destiny is pure sex but I was disappointed how the upgrades in gsd were too similar to their seed upgrades. The strike freedom did grow on me though
>>11184816 God im glad this was one of the first mentioned. Holy shit, that has to be one of the worst jobbers in mecha EVER. The main character gets a new powerup. And it fucking jobs it's first fight. Only appears AGAIN one more time to job. And it was such a nice suit.
>>11200617 Kampfer getting the Gat was the biggest "fuck you" of 0080. So much amazing design work went into that series and the Kampfer was the holy grail of it, and then... Just, why? Why do that to us?
>>11200626 To be fair it did show how powerful the Alex was. You have this godly suit design thats giving everybody a run for their money. It blows off the alex's armor and you are expecting a drawn out fight. Then Christina is like nope and ends it right there. Punches holes in it like its made of paper.im not against how that scene was handled but Its the inly time we ever see one. Ita one of the better Zeon designs and it would have been nice to see again. Then again the war did end like a week later so there's that
>>11187316 It wasn't complete anymore, since they stripped parts out of it to build the Double X. That's why the Double X could use the Satellite Cannon without a newtype inside it, it's Satellite Cannon system was already registered because it came out of Jamil's GX.
If you want Jamil to have a Satellite Cannon capable GX, it would make more sense to salvage the cannon from one of the G-Bits and put it on the X Divider rather than try to replace all the parts taken out of Jamil's GX to build the DX.
>>11200641 >like it's made of paper The Kampfer is a very lightweight suit. It's made for hit-and-run tactics, it's armor is shit. They even comment on this in the show. The Alex's weapons aren't particularly powerful, it's just highly responsive and agile (at least if it had a newtype pilot and not some dumb redheaded bitch who got the suit wrecked by a Zaku).
>>11202253 >It's heavier tho Propellent is heavy man. The Kampfer is nothing but propellant and thrusters, basically.
>>11202004 >Christina sucks! Naw man. Naw. Bernie was just a lot better than he was expected to be. In-universe Christina is actually a topnotch pilot. He setup traps specifically designed to weaken the Alex and run it out of ammo. Christina still effectively wrecks the shit out of his Zaku II FZ (which is vastly superior to the Zaku II to the point where it uses Luna Titanium armor), she just has the misfortune of being the victim of Bernie's "heroic last stand".
>>11204357 >Christina sucks! I'm not talking about her piloting skills, but her decision-making ability. That was the most obvious "I'M THE ENEMY, FOLLOW ME!" ever, and she fell for it despite being specifically told not to. She walked into those traps like a Class-A chump.
>>11200626 Oh boo hoo, the Kampfer went down easily.
I'll just be sitting over here with all of my GMs, which is literally every GM in the entire OVA besides a single GM Command on-screen for about three seconds, because besides that one theyall jobbed pathetically to hype up the Zeon suits.
honestly expecting GMs to do anything other than die swiftly is kind of like betting against the Harlem Globe Trotters. the Kampfer didn't really seem like canon fodder. there's no evidence of them ever being mass produced and it looks sweet.
> The Kampfer didn't really seem like cannon fodder, there's no evidence of them ever being mass produced and it looks sweet
And it doesn't act like cannon fodder either. It takes out nearly an entire base on it's own. While the pilot is drunk no less. Just because it died to a single attack doesn't make it cannon fodder. Even then it got to do some damage to the enemy that defeated it and used up almost all of it's weapons during the attack while making the enemy pilot sweat.
Also, this thread isn't for rational thinking about how tiers of suits deserve such amounts of attention, so it's perfectly within thread limits to be upset that actual cannon fodder suits get treated like cannon fodder.
>>11207820 There should one crazy-good ass-kicking guy in a Leo, maybe with the shoulder-cannons, who at least makes it to the semi-finals. That'd be great. Maybe have it in that classy blue that one of the figures came in and we only saw once in the whole show.
>>11224833 There was already a niceguy Leo commander in episode 14 who defends the hidden Heavyarms until Trowa can come back. He did alright, but decided to sacrifice himself and was overwhelmed at the last moment.
He could have taken it and used it for himself, but he's a noble gentleman. He also takes down an Aries by punching it in the face.
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