The Moonrace made Turn A, reverse-engineering it from the Turn X. You mean to ask who made the Turn X.
My money is on the jerk Newtypes that left the solar system, so you can blame Judau and all his descendants. They were unable to create their perfectly harmonious civilization, because Newtypes are not the perfect masters of understanding. They cause more shit than they solve. Fuck Newtypes.
>>11694686 The Moonrace made neither suit. The Turn X was made by the asshole Newtypes, the Turn A was reverse-engineered when a Turn X drifted to Earth, and the two were pitted against each other by Earthnoids in some centuries-long war that ended with the Moonlight Butterfly incident. The Moonrace only became involved when the Turn X retreated to the Moon and was buried there, to be excavated 2300+ years later by the Ghingham Fleet.
To answer OP's stupid question, the civilization that built either of the Turns probably isn't one that we know or will know, until Sunrise starts giving a shit about the Correct Century and produces an animated Turn A prequel (and no, G-Reco doesn't count no matter how much people want it to... and personally I'd rather see a Turn A sequel instead but that's just me).
> Turn-X looks nothing like the Devil Gundam JR > The theory itself makes absolutely no sense > It also contradicts the canon explanation for the suits origin > No guys, seriously, Turn-X came from the Devil Gundam
>>11695716 I know, which is why it'll never happen.
I can't be the only one who wants to see what happens to Kihel and Harry though--their part of the "epilogue" in the final episode lends itself to a sequel while for everyone else there probably isn't much of a story to tell.
>>11695814 The only Turn A characters I truly despise are Midgard, Miran, and maybe Agrippa. Gym and Guin are close, but they are too amusing to hate.
I only find Sochie moderately annoying, but I understand why she's the way she is. I'm also one of the few who believe she didn't get the short end of the stick by not "winning" Loran (but I'm also not a Diannafag because I'm not entirely convinced Loran and Dianna's relationship is romantic or sexual).
>>11695830 >hating on based Guin He only wanted to industrialize Ameria! >I'm not entirely convinced Loran and Dianna's relationship is romantic or sexual). The epilogue kinda makes it explicit it's neither. I guess he's just taking care of her until she dies of "too many fucking hibernation"
>>11695727 You know what kills that theory all together?
The fact that both suits are designed for newtype pilots making the only possible origin of the Turn X the UC colonists who left the solar system.
>>11695774 I'd rather see the interstellar Gundam series that is taking place somewhere out across the galaxy. Those assholes built the turn x in the first place. What kind of crazy wars are they waging out there that something like the turn x even exists.
>>11695852 My beef with Guin is his treatment of Loran and Lily, and generally being full of shit. I just dislike deceptive, manipulative people, even if they are fictional.
And yes, I think only shippers will argue that it's anything beyond deep friendship and servitude but dat ring really gives us mixed messages. It'd really help if Sunrise or Tomino would just say "It's Will Game's!" but that's not gonna happen, haha.
>>11695859 Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see the Turns' origins animated and everything, b-but muh UNIVERSE babbies...
>>11695896 It's not really the origin of the Turn units I want, but the story of the people out there spread across the milky way. What planets have they occupied? What suns are they calling their home star? What kind of ships do they have, what kind of wars are being waged, what kind of universe is out there?
That sort of thing. Plus I've always been more interested in science fiction that treats humanity as if we're the first civilization to survive the time period where science develops apocalyptic weapons and set out into the vast expanse of space. I'm really sick of the super alien stories and precursor type bullshit.
That's why I can respect Avatar to a degree even if it is a hippy liberal white guilt movie.
>>11695923 I did enjoy the jokes that the UC colonists and their bullshit weapons are the reason the ELS came to Earth.
Obviously MS Saga with the G System containing 8000 years worth of MS designs. It's like an intergrated EXA-DB/AGE System. Plus there's already a bunch of era-clashed suits running around the world in the game.
MS Saga 2 probably ended with the Turn A ending civilization.
>>11695774 The reason I want a Turn A sequel is because Guin got sidelined by boring Ghingham. After all that foreshadowing between Loran and Guin, it just comes down to Loran ignoring his plea for help before he comes out of the closet to Lily. I wanted to see Loran fighting against Guin's mass-produced Turn As, trying to destroy that factory Guin wanted to build in Inglessa. Maybe that would betray Guin's fatal flaw, but I was disappointed in the ending we got nonetheless.
I refuse to believe that Guin is on that boat with Merrybell just to run away. He's going to Gallia, or Ezia, or whatever they called Africa, to rebuild his industrial empire from scratch.
I'll cross my fingers for a return to the Correct Century in 2019. 40th anniversary of Gundam, 20th of Turn A.
>>11696564 As much as it goes against the very idea that Turn A's supposed to be the "end" of Gundam, you bring up another character whose path was left open by the epilogue, which further drives home my point that a sequel might not be such a bad idea.
>>11696631 Well, my vision of the sequel does not have an actual war, but centers around the rapid advancement of the Terrans, how fucked up the Moonrace are, and has ties to a very, very unpopular UC entry.
I still hold the thought that the extra solar Newtypes ran into...something that may have kicked their ass outright and the Turn X is one of many (read grunt-like Zaku) that just happened to be on a drift course back towards Sol.
>>11697390 Did a bydo have a tech or are they purely organic?
>>11697376 I think Turn X isn't a grunt, because you don't put a grunt with a reset button like MLB. Also apparently Turn X Top is compatible with old UC tech like that Keylas Guille satellite cannon or whatever from Victory so Turn X must be some kind of top commander, designed to hijack whatever suit around if its body got destroyed before it regenerate itself fully for 1000 years.
>>11695757 >>11695804 Those threads would be at least bearable if people would accept that literally everybody has a different definition of the terms, lots of shows do not and don't have to fit neatly into whatever definition you're using, and most importantly, when you use them its more of a broad "you get what I mean" sort of use rather than something extremely specific.
I don't get everybody's whineboner over it anyway.
> The epilogue kind makes it explicit it's neither. I guess he's taking care of her until she dies of "too many fucking hibernation"
> show never implies she is going to die from hibernation sickness > only sickness we see anyone suffer from it in show is mental, not physical in Corin > TE Spoiler guy's recent translation makes it explicit this is an intentional (if fucked up) form of punishment, not an accidental sickness > people still saying Dianna is dying from hibernation.
She isn't dying from it. She's tired of ruling, which is why she walks away from it and leaves it to Kihel when she see's she is more than capable of it, not tired of living or dying due to some never mentioned sickness. The fact her and Loran are living alone in the middle of the countryside should make it pretty apparent it's supposed to be some kind of relationship, especially when she comments at various times throughout the show in admiration of Loran, slapping Sochie in defense of him and so on. They're just old fashioned people in a Edwardian setting, so they're taking their relationship slow.
> My beef with Guin is his treatment of Loran and Lily
What was wrong with it? He was perfectly nice to each of them and while he was using them, he wasn't really hurtful about it and in fact, seemed to like and respect both of them as people as well as view them as useful to his plans. He never tried to hurt them, not even really emotionally. They only came to opposition because his goal differed from theirs in the final stretch and he was willing to work with a psycho like Gym, not realizing just how batshit the dude was.
>>11700430 The thing with Dianna is she is most likely not dying, but she is definitely weak from extensive and repeated cryostasis. She flat out states in one episode that despite her young appearance she is "like an old lady." This isn't to say she cannot build back up her strength over time by living on Earth and no longer having her life extended via cryostasis. As for why Loran decided to live with her, that is up in the air. I personally think it is a matter of vassal and queen and not because they are in love: Loran most likely feels Dianna is far beyond his reach, and Dianna probably still only thinks of Will Game.
As for Guin, I think you are unfamiliar with sociopathy. His niceness is not genuine. He won't even call Loran by his actual name, for shit's sake.
>>11701109 Seconded. Diana not getting over Will Game is so contrary to her character development that it would render every action and line of dialogue meaningless. Whether or not she and Loran in love is debatable but she's wearing SOMEONE'S ring and just so happens to be living alone with a particular character she bonded with the closest over the course of 50 episodes.
>>11701109 >>11701158 Damn, you're right (regarding getting over Will after realizing his grandson/great-grandson/whatever wasn't him, destroying the photograph of herself and the original Will, etc). How could I have have forgotten that? Been paying too much attention to Kihel I guess...
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